Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2017] - Discussion and TOC Talk

[Mawara]

Reading My Hero Academia today I came to the conclusion that the series would sell more if Mirio was the protagonist. I will not enter in details, for obvious reasons, but I think the majority of people here know what I'm talking about, this week chapter was beyond epic. I will say it here and now: Either this chapters takes first in the TOC or the Japanese readers don't know what they are doing. One Piece was also epic though, so if it is One Piece, it is forgivable.

That's debatable.
Though, admittedly, Mirio is a more interesting POV in this arc, because his motivation is more personal than Deku's now.
Deku wanted to save Eri, but was stopped by his senpai, who was a more experienced & level-headed guy.
Mirio on the other hand, decided to "abandon" Eri and feels responsible for leaving her alone, and being a reason why this whole mission has to be done in the first place. He wants to redeem himself, and redemption arcs are quite popular, and it's also an example, what I've meant with a struggling hero in this thread once.
Though, I've agreed more with Deku when he & Mirio faced Overhaul the first time, because of this it's also more interesting to follow Mirio, who wants to do the right thing now.

 

[xAsum0x]

And people say BC is no good. The sales are amazing. I expect 8mil by the end of the year.

I expect a million dollars at my doorstep. Nah but if it does get that popular congrats, though I wouldn't be able to comprehend it.

New OST is great, Ill always be a fan.

 

[iceemperor]

Shueisha now officially wants to make Black Clover into the "next Naruto", whatever that means.

I personally stand by the stance that trying to make something the "next xxx" is a horrible approach to growing a franchise. Black Clover might very well be crushed by this kind of advertising as its story is uncomfortably close to Naruto and the shounen template in general. The anime's best bet is to expand and flesh out the characters in general so that there is a lot more emotional punch. As it is now, people will watch the anime with thoughts how its similar to naruto or whatever other shounen anime, and thus that will drive it forward. This is wholly hollow as people are eventually going to lose interest and leave due to having to wait a good amount of time for BC to get its own specific flavor of shounen.

 

[ShenGao]

If Yuno becomes edgy and joins the Eye of the Midnight Sun to kill everyone and it's revealed that Asta's dad stopped the great demon i'll drop BC instantly.

 

[DyanSon]

If Yuno becomes edgy and joins the Eye of the Midnight Sun to kill everyone and it's revealed that Asta's dad stopped the great demon i'll drop BC instantly.

Doubt the first but it's not going to surprise everyone if the second became true.

 

[ChocoBar9]

Shueisha now officially wants to make Black Clover into the "next Naruto", whatever that means.

I personally stand by the stance that trying to make something the "next xxx" is a horrible approach to growing a franchise. Black Clover might very well be crushed by this kind of advertising as its story is uncomfortably close to Naruto and the shounen template in general. The anime's best bet is to expand and flesh out the characters in general so that there is a lot more emotional punch. As it is now, people will watch the anime with thoughts how its similar to naruto or whatever other shounen anime, and thus that will drive it forward. This is wholly hollow as people are eventually going to lose interest and leave due to having to wait a good amount of time for BC to get its own specific flavor of shounen.

In the case of MHA, this being "new Naruto" thing never was something conscious, so much so that the first impression of vol. 1 was 70k. the publishers did not believe the series would be a success. BC, on the other hand, came after the end of Naruto. was clearly created as a clone but they're following into the same trap that sadly plagued Toriko only difference is we aren't seeing any cross promotional gimmicks with Naruto and Black Clover.

 

[Leoat12]

We are talking about the same Naruto? Like, the one that is about a ninja that wants to be a hokage and it is the 3rd most sold manga in manga history? That's the one?

That's debatable.
Though, admittedly, Mirio is a more interesting POV in this arc, because his motivation is more personal than Deku's now.
Deku wanted to save Eri, but was stopped by his senpai, who was a more experienced & level-headed guy.
Mirio on the other hand, decided to "abandon" Eri and feels responsible for leaving her alone, and being a reason why this whole mission has to be done in the first place. He wants to redeem himself, and redemption arcs are quite popular, and it's also an example, what I've meant with a struggling hero in this thread once.
Though, I've agreed more with Deku when he & Mirio faced Overhaul the first time, because of this it's also more interesting to follow Mirio, who wants to do the right thing now.

I disagree with you, but I will not discuss here, if you want we can talk about it through PM.

 

[xAsum0x]

New Naruto is too ambiguous. Like in popularity? Or only because of the similarities?

 

[Leoat12]

New Naruto is too ambiguous. Like in popularity? Or only because of the similarities?

Of course it is about popularity, isn't it clear enough?

 

[xAsum0x]

Of course it is about popularity, isn't it clear enough?

No because its quite obvious it'll never be as popular as Naruto ever was lol

 

[Leoat12]

No because its quite obvious it'll never be as popular as Naruto ever was lol

You have never seen the proofs that Shueisha is delusional? They prove their disillusionment all the time!

 

[Leoat12]

BHA is bigger than what Naruto was in the west? What are you talking about? O_O

He is talking about baiting.
How many time will I have to say that everything that @vampire killer says is bait? XD

 

[Mawara]

If Yuno becomes edgy and joins the Eye of the Midnight Sun to kill everyone and it's revealed that Asta's dad stopped the great demon i'll drop BC instantly.

That is actually interesting, now you've mentioned it-
I mean, it is a dead horse joke that BC is copying Naruto ( & Fairy Tail), but how far is Tabata willing/interested in doing this-
I for myself, doubt that Yuno becomes such a Sasuke clone, for he lacks the motivations to do it. He wants the same as Asta, being the Wizard King, and joining a terrorist organisation which oppose the kingdom of the very same Wizard King wouldnt make any sense at this point. Of course his motivations could change till then, but at this point this would be out of character.
Dont know how possible the second twist could be. I mean, there is nothing which speaks against it, but at the same time, it would be quite a lame twist. Asta being an orphan wasnt really something which played that much into his character. Naruto suffered bc he hadnt any family & built up his character. Asta hasnt the same thing, he had his "sister" and the other orphans, including Yuno. It is kinda funny, how someone with a similiar background like Naruto, is still so different in the same thing. So making Astas father the one who defeated the demon would be shoehorned, because this was never really a topic or mystery for him. Though, let's face it, there is no reason why Tabata shouldnt use the backgrounds of him and Yuno for some sort of twists later on. If I remember correctly, has Yuno a mysterious necklace, when he was found with Asta as a baby. Maybe his dubious background will give him a reason to resent the Clover Kingdom & let him join the Eye of the Midnight Sun later on.
I hope not, because if I could predicted it so easily, it would be quite disappointing when it actually happens.

 

[xAsum0x]

Wouldn't it mission accomplished if it reached anywhere near peak Toriko sales? Also longevity.

 

[Mr.Fujimaster]

Shueisha now officially wants to make Black Clover into the "next Naruto", whatever that means.

I personally stand by the stance that trying to make something the "next xxx" is a horrible approach to growing a franchise. Black Clover might very well be crushed by this kind of advertising as its story is uncomfortably close to Naruto and the shounen template in general. The anime's best bet is to expand and flesh out the characters in general so that there is a lot more emotional punch. As it is now, people will watch the anime with thoughts how its similar to naruto or whatever other shounen anime, and thus that will drive it forward. This is wholly hollow as people are eventually going to lose interest and leave due to having to wait a good amount of time for BC to get its own specific flavor of shounen.

I don't think Black Clover will be the new Naruto, Boku no Hero Academy who had more potential to be the "New Naruto" failed to reach the same level.
It will be very difficult for Shueisha to find a "New Naruto".

 

[Leoat12]

People look for many things, but it doesn't mean that they will find it. Series like Naruto or One Piece cannot be found, they come up unexpectedly. Editors have experience, but they don't have control to what the readers will like or not.

 

[ChocoBar9]

I don't think Black Clover will be the new Naruto, Boku no Hero Academy who had more potential to be the "New Naruto" failed to reach the same level.
It will be very difficult for Shueisha to find a "New Naruto".

Let me just say that I'm really happy that Shueisha never placed on moniker on MHA the same way they did with Toriko and now Black Clover so it makes it so that any time someone makes the comparison to Naruto look like idiots when the series was never set up as one to begin with. I'll just put it in the same league as people who compared Bleach with YYH for a while.

--- Double Post Merged, Sep 5, 2017, Original Post Date: Sep 5, 2017 ---

People look for many things, but it doesn't mean that they will find it. Series like Naruto or One Piece cannot be found, they come up unexpectedly. Editors have experience, but they don't have control to what the readers will like or not.

Hell One Piece was never billed as the successor to Dragonball in the beginning either it came later on when they series had shown that it was an unstoppable force cultivating into Cross Epoch for its 10th anniversary just more or less gave it that mantle and the series didn't eclipse Dragonball in sales until 7 years later so it took roughly 17 years for OP to be deemed a worthy successor to Dragonball.

 

[James Rye]

Do you really BnHA will run for 17 years to get the same results as OP and become a worthy successor to Naruto, in terms of volume sales, that is?

 

[ChocoBar9]

Do you really BnHA will run for 17 years to get the same results as OP and become a worthy successor to Naruto, in terms of volume sales, that is?

Where did I say that? Shueisha already confirmed that MHA isn't competing to become Naruto's successor that's Black Clover hell people only brought up the Naruto comparison between the two after Hori's comment he made for the 700th chapter send off for Kishimoto 3 years ago and people never let it down,

 

[xAsum0x]

Its actually cause of that image that blew up on the internet. Its not even like Naruto that much.