Games Mafia Game 58 - Umineko: How to play 13 - END GAME

[syx]

We already found out that this is useless syx. You already forgot both Lambu and Demon from your last game?

I know, I know. But Lambu and Demon lost all credibility there. It sucks for people who fell for it back then, but if you look on the bright side it's also a good little info for future MGs, isn't it? For example, I still wouldn't doubt Jammin in future games if he were to make a similar claim like he did in the Dragon Ball MG.

In regards to niichan: my heart tells me he wouldn't stain his name by pulling a Lambu, my head tells (and knows) that he is also a troll, a subtle one but a troll nonetheless. If he had replied with the Red Truth, he wouldn't become more mafia or townie in my eyes. It could be just an indicator for future games. But not answering with the Red Truth at all. Dunno, it's suspicious and came unexpected.

 

[Nii]

No Red Truth.

I honestly expected a Red Truth right away from a townie who finished Umineko and currently is playing a Umineko-themed MG.

well I'm not Beato, so I can't use the red truth

Oh that It's because that's the only way I see how you could know Spriggan was mafia at day 1. Can't even be explained with any other role since it was the start of the game.

And I'm saying I didn't know, you simply got the wrong impression well whatever, we're going in circles

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you expect me to roleplay but then use the red truth as battler syx? I'm disappointed

 

[Vandred]

I admit there are other suspicious people. Mainly xnut and Empty(gnut hinted way too much at day 1 for him to have a group of people working with him, he would never lay himself open like that so I trust him because of that. But niichan is a great way to continue our chain from Spriggan, if he shows as mafia we can probably keep going the same way on others like xnut. I think we shouldn't focus other targets right now.

Though I'm honestly kinda disappointed @Vandred didn't notice that, in the JoJo game he noticed so many weird plays even the less significant ones.

Not sure what you're talking about here, but not everything one notices has to be pointed out right away. Sometimes it's better to wait and see what happens, or who brings up what, or who doesn't.

As for this:

I think we shouldn't focus other targets right now.

Why exactly do you think we shouldn't? Focusing too much on a single person at a time is a very dangerous thing to do, especially if you have no solid ground like a few Dets' investigations to go on. Not to mention it often leaves a void for the next days as soon as the town's main target has been removed. Actually, I'd say that finding a scapegoat and channeling all attention towards them tends to be a textbook mafia play.

 

[syx]

well I'm not Beato, so I can't use the red truth

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you expect me to roleplay but then use the red truth as battler syx? I'm disappointed

Hmh, is that so? I could have sworn that Battler wanted to use the Red Truth once, but wasn't able to because it wasn't a fact which he wasn't aware of. Dunno what it was about. Am I not remembering correctly?

 

[GrySun]

Not sure what you're talking about here, but not everything one notices has to be pointed out right away. Sometimes it's better to wait and see what happens, or who brings up what, or who doesn't.

As for this:

Why exactly do you think we shouldn't? Focusing too much on a single person at a time is a very dangerous thing to do, especially if you have no solid ground like a few Dets' investigations to go on. Not to mention it often leaves a void for the next days as soon as the town's main target has been removed. Actually, I'd say that finding a scapegoat and channeling all attention towards them tends to be a textbook mafia play.

I'm talking about my last several posts about niichan's behavior and his responses to it. You having no comment at all about that is weird is what I'm saying. Keeping things to oneself is sometimes better, but in an open situation like this you could at least give me your thoughts.

The second part, I think we shouldn't because if we go elsewhere now then we will most likely not be able to search other mafias from Spriggan alone. His mafia must be in disarray over what happened and they made mistakes in day 1 because of that. Giving them more time will just make us lose track over their actions and misplays. Hell, if I didn't point out this about niichan I don't think anyone would.
And after niichan it's not a single person at a time. In case a townie has the Death Note now we could have them kill xnut/Empty to go a few steps forward already before day 3, and if not then we still have xnut and Empty for day 3, as well as any other people we notice to have made mistakes when backreading about niichan if he shows as mafia. At best with Empty we get a mafia from the second group, which we still don't know if it really exists, and at worst a townie, while losing our previous leads. Also day 3 could be the day some of our investigative roles reveal some interesting results. We need a more certain lynch today after losing both a doc and det, and niichan made a bigger mistake than our other 2 suspect.

 

[syx]

What about the inactive people?

 

[MonkeyD-Dragon]

I feel as if the inactive people don't deserve to die just yet, and instead we lynch a person we suspect instead of lynching someone who we have no clue about.

 

[GrySun]

What about the inactive people?

You mean the people with 3 penalty votes? DiMaria is getting hostkilled by the looks of it, which sucks because he's probably a townie like every hostkill ever. Desin too, but he has been online and posting so he will avoid getting hostkilled if he makes a vote.

If you mean the others, who is even active this game? A lot of people aren't very active. There's Gryffindor, Kato, Empty, zimb... and that's just going from the post count. If we look at by who actually contributed it's probably too early to say as it's just day 2. My biggest trust is on Bel and Lambu for now.

Then there's also beginners, a lot of them actually. We could also go fishing on them and hoping, but it's riskier than going on suspicious people.

 

[Nii]

Hmh, is that so? I could have sworn that Battler wanted to use the Red Truth once, but wasn't able to because it wasn't a fact which he wasn't aware of. Dunno what it was about. Am I not remembering correctly?

Well that was an exception when Beato allowed him to use it, IIRC. If you allow me to use red, I will

 

[EmptySoul]

@Belserion yes i did defend Emperor spriggan because i actually wasnt seeing why everyone was ganging up on him,seemed like same old Spriggan to me
And Organizized dying after voting me is either pure coincidence or someone trying to frame me

Yep I do, there are two people that strike me as suspicious. First is my vote from yesterday, EmptySoul.

As for why, first she started making some random comments in his posts, so basically "faking" activity while actually saying nothing. Then she suddenly voted for Erin shortly after wyis did, like he saw his chance to not gather much attention. Then she follows with this when questioned:



Giving some nonsense reason for his vote, while suddenly attacking Gry and Orgz, simply bc they asked for his reasons. Even the style of his post, with that "oh I'm so mysterious and carefree" attitude just screams newbie mafia, in my eyes. Ofc he doesn't have to be mafia, but it's certainly the most suspicious behaviour so far, together with Emperor Spriggan, who did turn out to be mafia. Considering that Orgz was a townie that doesn't help him either, if Orgz were mafia I would've said that actually speaks for Empty.

I think you're grasping at straws tbh
Most of the reasons for suspecting me you mentioned above are pretty easily refutable imo
Firstly Only 2 posts of mine were "fake activity",funny how u mention that when waay more people were "faking activity" than me so If thats suspicious to you then a lot of people here are suspicious too no?

Already gave my reason for the erin vote,dont have much to add to that,though i get where ur coming from with that,it does look like i did pretty much the same thing as Emperor spriggan and him being a mafia doesnt help my case at all,would make a rather stupid move if i were mafia myself

The style of my post is suspicious?
Welp,if u think it is then i cant really do anything about that

All in all,Im not mafia

 

[Nii]

Why exactly do you think we shouldn't? Focusing too much on a single person at a time is a very dangerous thing to do, especially if you have no solid ground like a few Dets' investigations to go on. Not to mention it often leaves a void for the next days as soon as the town's main target has been removed. Actually, I'd say that finding a scapegoat and channeling all attention towards them tends to be a textbook mafia play.

Thanks for pointing that out, it's exactly why I find it so weird that Gry jumps after me this intensely just from an impression he got with a single post of mine. Like EmptySoul and xnut look like way more obvious people to go for (in my eyes), because the first's whole behaviour is suspicious, while the other made a possible major fuck up. Meanwhile Gry is trying hard to put all the focus on me for whatever reason, like I am the one major suspect, which strangely nobody seems to have noticed despite him.

Not like I'm saying that makes him mafia, because behaviour that looks weird to me doesn't equal being mafia, but I'm glad that someone actually was making this argument. It's exactly why I said we shouldn't focus on the people not voting for Emperor too much, because I feared something similar to this happening ("this" group is most likely innocent but "this" group surely has the mafia members)

 

[Lady pompom]

Sheesh. Playing those games on cellphone is hard. @niichan I've told my role is active and that I don't like because I don't know how to use it properly but an experienced player would shine with thus role. For now besides Emptysoul I'm really sure whom I should suspect. Too early to vote.

 

[Nii]

@Belserion yes i did defend Emperor spriggan because i actually wasnt seeing why everyone was ganging up on him,seemed like same old Spriggan to me
And Organizized dying after voting me is either pure coincidence or someone trying to frame me


I think you're grasping at straws tbh
Most of the reasons for suspecting me you mentioned above are pretty easily refutable imo
Firstly Only 2 posts of mine were "fake activity",funny how u mention that when waay more people were "faking activity" than me so If thats suspicious to you then a lot of people here are suspicious too no?

Already gave my reason for the erin vote,dont have much to add to that,though i get where ur coming from with that,it does look like i did pretty much the same thing as Emperor spriggan and him being a mafia doesnt help my case at all,would make a rather stupid move if i were mafia myself

The style of my post is suspicious?
Welp,if u think it is then i cant really do anything about that

All in all,Im not mafia

Well it's exactly this attitude I mean, like you don't really care and try to be all "suspect me if you want, I'm just townie dude ". Ofc there are a high number of people just saying random things in the beginning, but even you apparently agree that your voting behaviour seems fishy.

How about you give us a hint for your role, for starters? Maybe I missed earlier hints from you, but I don't think so.

 

[EmptySoul]

Well it's exactly this attitude I mean, like you don't really care and try to be all "suspect me if you want, I'm just townie dude ". Ofc there are a high number of people just saying random things in the beginning, but even you apparently agree that your voting behaviour seems fishy.

How about you give us a hint for your role, for starters? Maybe I missed earlier hints from you, but I don't think so.

Lmaoo,i didnt think i gave off that vibe
Yeah i agree it looks fishy from someone elses perspective atm
As for my role i guess you could say its pretty lame at least in my eyes it is but it could be beneficial at some point maybe

 

[Zasz]

One mafia killed, but at what cost?
Either way, it appears we will have some hostkills soon...
Is there someone else at the moment that we're suspecting other than Emptysoul?

 

[Nii]

Lmaoo,i didnt think i gave off that vibe
Yeah i agree it looks fishy from someone elses perspective atm
As for my role i guess you could say its pretty lame at least in my eyes it is but it could be beneficial at some point maybe

well... if you say your own behaviour looks fishy to others that's not really helping your case, lol. So care to explain again why exactly you voted for Erin? A hunch?
And I see, that could be a lot of roles

One mafia killed, but at what cost?
Either way, it appears we will have some hostkills soon...
Is there someone else at the moment that we're suspecting other than Emptysoul?

Me apparently, though it seems to be just Gry who suspects me xD

Besides that xnut because of this:

Votekill GrySun for now Spriggan slipped up but idk

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Not slip up, excuse me that sounds wrong

 

[syx]

Well that was an exception when Beato allowed him to use it, IIRC. If you allow me to use red, I will

It's not necessary since - as I said - I wouldn't base my decision on your Red Truth anyway. The fact that you didn't use it right off the bat was a surprise and made you slightly more suspicious in my eyes. I mean, if you are really hellbent on keeping a rigorous line in regards to Umineko, you could have asked for permission to use the Red Truth in the beginning. : /

Anyway, I don't have the feeling that I'm particularly good in this game as opposed to other games I newly started. I've reread xnut's and EmptySoul's posts and think EmptySoul comes on top while niichan is the close runner up. That's why I

!votekill EmptySoul

 

[GrySun]

I was also wondering if and when we should start asking for reveals on who has the Death note. Especially since it could be on a townie, we could help them pick a good target most of us suspect. But it could put that person in danger(or not, since if mafia had the Note previously they'd already know who has it?).

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One mafia killed, but at what cost?
Either way, it appears we will have some hostkills soon...
Is there someone else at the moment that we're suspecting other than Emptysoul?

There's xnut who made a very random vote, and there's niichan who I've been building my case on the whole day who most likely made a mistake in the previous day. Other than that we got nothing, so we're either waiting on a result from lynching niichan/xnut and going from there or we're waiting on our investigative roles to give us something sometime soon.
What about you Zasz? I don't recall you hinting at anything. And what are your thoughts on niichan if you've read the previous posts?

 

[desin24]

You mean the people with 3 penalty votes? DiMaria is getting hostkilled by the looks of it, which sucks because he's probably a townie like every hostkill ever. Desin too, but he has been online and posting so he will avoid getting hostkilled if he makes a vote.

If you mean the others, who is even active this game? A lot of people aren't very active. There's Gryffindor, Kato, Empty, zimb... and that's just going from the post count. If we look at by who actually contributed it's probably too early to say as it's just day 2. My biggest trust is on Bel and Lambu for now.

Then there's also beginners, a lot of them actually. We could also go fishing on them and hoping, but it's riskier than going on suspicious people.

Kato is usually a lot more active so that is a thing to take notice of. On the other hand he basically suicided the last 2 games through his conduct so he may keep it extra low + real life interference as he said in one of his posts.

Maybe to try to make some kind of progress we should start dropping some hints. I'll say that is a role I never had before which includes bulletproof, plain townie, mafia detective, hider, doctor, mafia escort

 

[Vandred]

I'm talking about my last several posts about niichan's behavior and his responses to it. You having no comment at all about that is weird is what I'm saying. Keeping things to oneself is sometimes better, but in an open situation like this you could at least give me your thoughts.

The second part, I think we shouldn't because if we go elsewhere now then we will most likely not be able to search other mafias from Spriggan alone. His mafia must be in disarray over what happened and they made mistakes in day 1 because of that. Giving them more time will just make us lose track over their actions and misplays. Hell, if I didn't point out this about niichan I don't think anyone would.
And after niichan it's not a single person at a time. In case a townie has the Death Note now we could have them kill xnut/Empty to go a few steps forward already before day 3, and if not then we still have xnut and Empty for day 3, as well as any other people we notice to have made mistakes when backreading about niichan if he shows as mafia. At best with Empty we get a mafia from the second group, which we still don't know if it really exists, and at worst a townie, while losing our previous leads. Also day 3 could be the day some of our investigative roles reveal some interesting results. We need a more certain lynch today after losing both a doc and det, and niichan made a bigger mistake than our other 2 suspect.

Oh, I'll give you my thoughts on this before the day is over, don't you worry.

Good point about the mafia possibly being in disarray after Spriggan's death. But that's exactly why I see EmptySoul or xnut as better targets to pressure than niichan at the moment. The latter just gives me the same impression of a veteran player like Demon; you could spend the whole day pressuring him and you wouldn't get anything useful out of him. The others are much more likely to slip up, if you ask me.

What's more, if there are two mafias and niichan really is from the same one as Spriggan, we need to be careful about thinning their numbers too much and leaving the other mafia too powerful. In these cases, leading one mafia group into killing those they think are their dangerous rivals would be the ideal situation, and we've already seen there's at least one pretty powerful mafia role in the game (Mafia Detective). Clearing the field for one side is most likely going to mean game over for the town, so it's a tricky situation in any case.

I was also wondering if and when we should start asking for reveals on who has the Death note. Especially since it could be on a townie, we could help them pick a good target most of us suspect. But it could put that person in danger(or not, since if mafia had the Note previously they'd already know who has it?).

I... don't see how it would benefit the town if a townie came out saying they have the Death Note. Asking for protection? If a mafia gave them the Note, that just means they'll be able to kill anyone else they want and maybe even block the holder with an Escort. If there are two mafias, that would also make them a target in case they wanted to take possession of it.

It just makes more sense for us to discuss a few potential targets and hoping the player who has the Note is a townie who follows through.