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Games Mafia Game 59 - Shingeki no Kyojin: Festival of Death - END GAME
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could be all 3.
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Who got the gift today?
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Marmalade i put it on the recap
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So, what are you going to do with it Marmalade?
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Probably going to open it... the risks arent too high after all
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First of all..
Your reactions were priceless back when you said this. Insult to intellect? Getting so pissed off over a small remark is such a beginner mafia thing Ancy. It seems I was right that you had access to the mafia pad with people writing a lot of stuff. Well, thanks for playing and I hope you had fun 
You're definitely back on my list with this.
It would all be so very fitting if hardy turns out mafia, so I'm most likely not going to switch. With Arjun and Ancy, their mafia has at least someone whose more active and knows what he's doing. I initially believed that was James, but it could easily also be hardy.
I hope that earlier interaction I had with Ancy where she flipped out was one of the things that made you suspect her, it definitely was for me.
I actually never knew what you were, and I couldn't do anything with your star wars hint. I did get the feeling you have a daykill ability(and already considered you could go for me but I accepted my fate in that scenario), but I thought that if you had such an unclaimable role you would just claim to have any role and later dispell the lie by confirming yourself with your action. But this works too I suppose.
Two killing parties are a given at this point. But whether it's 1 big mafia and a serial killer, or 2 mafias is yet to be seen. But since we've only been getting reds, and if hardy shows as red too, then we're either very unlucky or we can assume there's just red mafia.
Ahahahahahah
Your reactions were priceless back when you said this. Insult to intellect?
Getting so pissed off over a small remark is such a beginner mafia thing Ancy. It seems I was right that you had access to the mafia pad with people writing a lot of stuff. Well, thanks for playing and I hope you had fun It's always funny looking at these things in retrospect, uncle
You're definitely back on my list with this.It would all be so very fitting if hardy turns out mafia, so I'm most likely not going to switch. With Arjun and Ancy, their mafia has at least someone whose more active and knows what he's doing. I initially believed that was James, but it could easily also be hardy.
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Well played Erin!just saying, It's not a random shot at all, I ve been thinking abt it a lot, cant shake the feeling that Ancy is mafia and i tried to be cautious about the roles hints given so far (assuming they 're true ofc) so avoided to use it on any passive night role like Dimaria (as there s a slight chance they hint a bomb) . didn't want to go for someone who claimed a role or someone suspicious like Hardy.
I couldnt wait next day, as theres a very high risk with 2 killing parties they go for me instead of claimed roles bc they could be protected and especially bc it was obvious with Gry pressuring a lot on me, i couldnt speak abt my role. Hope i havent wasted the only shot I had, I did my best to get a max info before using it though.
Also that will give if needed at least a confirmed townie to potential remaining investigators, assuming im alive ofc.
My deepest apologies if i hit a fellow townie. Also my apologies to you Ancy I dont like to do this especially to you but ...
i m now not uneasy abt Marmalade not telling more about her results, she could have told the truth ofc but she could have made up the role to fit as no once claimed it especially if hardy ends up innocent.--- Double Post Merged, , Original Post Date: ---
Im not easy abt J rye bc if Vandred died by recruiting someone he might have targetted someone he trusted a lot, the 2 who revealed a role and were to a certain point trustworthy were J rye and Zasz who at this point of the game didnt deny being a spy. (could be someone else too but...)
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I hope that earlier interaction I had with Ancy where she flipped out was one of the things that made you suspect her, it definitely was for me.I actually never knew what you were, and I couldn't do anything with your star wars hint. I did get the feeling you have a daykill ability(and already considered you could go for me but I accepted my fate in that scenario), but I thought that if you had such an unclaimable role you would just claim to have any role and later dispell the lie by confirming yourself with your action. But this works too I suppose.
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At this point I believe Vand started alone and just failed to recruit anyone 2 times, as weird as it sounds. I had expected him to try and recruit someone like Gryff who he was mafia with last time, or some people that seemed like townies. But most of them all denied being Masons. If there was a mafia mason he would've come out long ago pretending to be a normal mason.
Two killing parties are a given at this point. But whether it's 1 big mafia and a serial killer, or 2 mafias is yet to be seen. But since we've only been getting reds, and if hardy shows as red too, then we're either very unlucky or we can assume there's just red mafia.
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@GrySun could you answer my previous question about BP? It might actually help your "plan" if you stop to think about it or at least give the town more info to work with.
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Hm. I'd like to believe you and your results, but getting a reveal two times? At the start like this, in a row? With both having dead people and some same-targets? This kinda looks too perfect. Not only the luck to get a reveal, but also this very great targeting. And when I asked for your full result I also wanted your comments and explanation for why you targeted who you did. So, why me, holt, hardy and gryff night 1, and demon, me, farf and gryff night 2? This is useful to know to see where your thoughts went and how genuine they are.Nice one @Erinyes
My results, late as I was asleep.
Night one; Doctor (Grysun, Holt, Hardy, Gryff)
Night two; Politician (Demon, Grysun, Farfalla, Gryff).
You do the math, have fun!
I will not be inviting Gry or Gryff tonight, I think i know enough
But so far I will assume you're telling the truth, so lets see.
I'm the Bulletproof and hardy claimed det, this leaves Holt and Gryff to be Doctor. Farf showed as Santa, which would then leave Demon and Gryff as Politician.
So since Demon denies being the politician, it can only be Gryff. Making Holt a dead Doc. Which sucks for us. But here again we see a lot more advantage we'd have had people revealed. A mafia would fake being a doc for sure(unless hardy is janitor), so with your results we could easily conclude they are mafia. A 3rd doc here is impossible with James being bodyguard.
@Gryffindor So you're the politician? I know you can't reveal it, but if you're not you should deny it, as it would either prove Marm to be town or mafia depending on it.(or it could be a great scheme of a mafia detective I suppose to have found the politician on Gryff while constructing such a great barkeep result, but I'm probably overthinking it).
Earlier this phase I thought Demon was the Politician but if he says he's not that just leaves Gryff. We could be having a nice little group of confirmed townies right about now with Erin, Marm and Gryff. We can add Zasz to that group if hardy dies as mafia.
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Of course I'll answer, I'll get to it now. I just woke up not too long ago and went through the posts in order of relevancy(daykill on mafia boss and the extremely lucky and seemingly perfect barkeeper results). Gimme a few mins.
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(Typing explanation right now. Takes awhile because phone)
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Yes it is very uncommon, I personally only remember 1 game where there were 2 Bulletproofs. The circumstances would be that there's at least 2 killing parties(basically meaning, a lot of possible kills at night), as well as both killing parties having some way to deal with a Bulletproof(or if it's 1 big mafia and some 3rd parties, it's enough for the 1 mafia to have a few stronger roles to counteract it).
Creating a balanced role list for a game usually follows some basic stuff that's the same each game. A Bulletproof isn't necessary for a game, but when you put one in you do it so the town has some survivability which the mafia need either luck or using one of their roles in a good way to get past. Hider works similar, but he depends a lot on hiding behind good targets to survive. So in bigger games there can be a hider and a bulletproof to block some kills at night.
Which is why things like 2 hiders/2 bulletproof is so unlikely, and becomes completely impossible in smaller(below 20 players) games. Which is why claiming those roles can be a very risky thing for mafia to do, since the real bulletproof/hider can just come out and accuse him of lying. Which is one of the reasons I didn't want to reveal first, wanted to see if anyone will try to claim it first so I can point out us having 2 bulletproofs. But our game technically does fit the description, there's a lot of players and 2 killing parties. Mafia also had a Strongman to counteract one Bulletproof.
Besides, since I already gave too many hints very early and everyone already guessed my Bulletproof role, I'd expect mafia not to claim Bulletproof this game, so if anyone came out as BP I wouldn't necessarily have suspected them. On the contrary perhaps I'd have considered them a definitive townie. But now that all this has been said I most likely can't use those thoughts if another bulletproof comes out, which is a shame since that's one of the few things a Bulletproof can do in a game. Pretend to be important or do a lot at day phase to bait kill attempts to block them, and lay out traps for any mafias claiming Bulletproof themselves.
Roles like BP and Hider are very popular mafia role claims, especially once they find out there isn't another BP/Hider in the game(and especially if they believe there's another killing party, so they can ensure themselves not to be targeted at night). You can see that from last game, where Arjun was mafia and pretended to be BP, Lambu was mafia and pretended to be a Hider, Elusia was mafia and I wanted her to claim BP. Some other mafias probably claimed similar.
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But why would I go for someone who claimed Bp, you're not even among the persons i don't trust.Grysun said:
I could have tried to hint better but was afraid of a potential assassin assuming there's 2 parties. Lying was too risky considering i had to be careful bc of the games mechanics to avoid to do any mistake that would have resulted with a penality, and i have to take into consideration all the other hints and claims. I would have lied if i had it at Day1 but at day 3 any lies may have made me even more suscpicious. also i think you were the only one who suspected me, so no need to go for another risky strategy (but i knew i was a great potential target for night kill).
theres many passive claims, i don't know if they hint some witch /Jesus kind of roles or some stuff like PGO/bomb ? but if they are townies considering we have some Det, Bk, Bg, claims i m not forcing or anything but i think they definitely can come out especially if they re jesus or bomb they're s not that much risks for them at that point of the game.
Also not sure if ll make it, next day so if i die wish all the best to my townies fellows. Don't forget the possibility of vandred targetting mafia if so check back his list and try to figure out the most trustworthy according to him, especially if Hardy ends up innocent.
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Alright, the explaination is quite simple.
With the outcomes, I honestly think it was just a lucky strike. Beginners luck? We’ll see about the rest of the results tonight I guess.
About all people I invites: if they had a night action, negative for the town, disrupting that would be nice. A risk however, as thatd mean townie actions could be affected as well. Willing to take that risk.
N1:
- Grysun: I simply didnt trust you and I wanted to see if this would help deducing what side u are on/role. The results of that night were quite obviously not about you, hence why I invited you again. I felt that you were rather agressive in your questioning, more than last game. A bit pushy perhaps. If your claim is correct, that does add up with the BP claim.
- Holt: A hunch really. I didnt know what to think of him, hence I figured I might as well wanted to give it a go.
- Hardy: He too, was very out there like Grysun. Same reasoning (aside from the BP thing).
- Gryffindor; very lowkey player. Last time he was mafia with that same playstyle, hence the reason I invited him.
N2:
- Grysun: see night 1
- Gryff; See night 1
- Farfalla: didnt trust her, something didnt feel right. The insistance of the politician made me feel there might be more that meets the eye.
- Demon: his name is Demon! That says enough. Nah, not the actual reasoning. Something didnt feel right. Relatively active, manner of focussing on other players got under my skin.
Yes, I do base a lot of things on my gut feeling.
With the outcomes, I honestly think it was just a lucky strike. Beginners luck? We’ll see about the rest of the results tonight I guess.
About all people I invites: if they had a night action, negative for the town, disrupting that would be nice. A risk however, as thatd mean townie actions could be affected as well. Willing to take that risk.
N1:
- Grysun: I simply didnt trust you and I wanted to see if this would help deducing what side u are on/role. The results of that night were quite obviously not about you, hence why I invited you again. I felt that you were rather agressive in your questioning, more than last game. A bit pushy perhaps. If your claim is correct, that does add up with the BP claim.
- Holt: A hunch really. I didnt know what to think of him, hence I figured I might as well wanted to give it a go.
- Hardy: He too, was very out there like Grysun. Same reasoning (aside from the BP thing).
- Gryffindor; very lowkey player. Last time he was mafia with that same playstyle, hence the reason I invited him.
N2:
- Grysun: see night 1
- Gryff; See night 1
- Farfalla: didnt trust her, something didnt feel right. The insistance of the politician made me feel there might be more that meets the eye.
- Demon: his name is Demon! That says enough. Nah, not the actual reasoning. Something didnt feel right. Relatively active, manner of focussing on other players got under my skin.
Yes, I do base a lot of things on my gut feeling.
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Yes? Sorry, wasn't really paying attention
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Because I was a bit pushy for reveals and was a bit frustrated to have hit a wall there, and you pointed out how agressive I was there so I thought you saw me as a suspect.But why would I go for someone who claimed Bp, you're not even among the persons i don't trust..At worst i would have gone for an inactive, but not for a very contributive player or a role claimed.
I could have tried to hint better but was afraid of a potential assassin assuming there's 2 parties. Lying was too risky considering i had to be careful bc of the games mechanics to avoid to do any mistake that would have resulted with a penality, and i have to take into consideration all the other hints and claims. I would have lied if i had it at Day1 but at day 3 any lies may have made me even more suscpicious. also i think you were the only one who suspected me, so no need to go for another risky strategy (but i knew i was a great potential target for night kill).
theres many passive claims, i don't know if they hint some witch /Jesus kind of roles or some stuff like PGO/bomb ? but if they are townies considering we have some Det, Bk, Bg, claims i m not forcing or anything but i think they definitely can come out especially if they re jesus or bomb they're s not that much risks for them at that point of the game.
Also not sure if ll make it, next day so if i die wish all the best to my townies fellows. Don't forget the possibility of vandred targetting mafia if so check back his list and try to figure out the most trustworthy according to him, especially if Hardy ends up innocent.
Seeing how I'm still alive, and so is Zasz after he claimed he found out something at night then disappeared for hours, I think there is no Assassin. Unless the Assassin is with the Janitor(which is one hell of a strong mafia
) so they'd rather to Janitor kills instead of daykills.Fair enough about the lying, it takes a lot of thinking to do it properly and it may be useless at the end when you use the vigilante role, or even harmful to us if they had Janitor killed you at night with us assuming you're the role you told us.
Still, it is a shame that you can't talk about your old role, it's harder to piece together the role list our hosts used if you could've been a det/doc or something else which we are lacking right now and which could explain some things and help eventually when people reveal. Vigilante is a sweet thing to get from a Present(exactly what I had hoped for in my day 1 present
) I definitely think there's a bit more passive role claims than usual, so I'm curious about them and what they'll eventually claim. But I must be patient, I can't force things to go the way I want.
If hardy dies mafia then they will go for Zasz for sure, which James or someone else with blocking/protecting powers could prevent. Though there are 2 killers at night, and it is possible that you die this night. I hope you survive, but at any rate you did great and accomplished your role. I'll do as much as I can, especially now that I think they have no roles left with which they could kill me.
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The question was if you are a Mason. Specifically, part of Vand's mason group.
You could/should also reveal your role to us right away.
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Wasn't Dried Ambrosia killed? Why is she still in the list (in the stuck post)? just asking..........
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Using Assassin is not something Mafia would do so easily I think. I wouldn't at least, because it means you can't kill during the night.
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Ok well assuming you are telling the truth I recommend working under the assumption that there was more than one BP. That being said, I'm the mason. I was recruited on Night 1. Both of Vandred's recruitments were successful, if the other mason wants to reveal I'll leave it to them. So yeah Van wasn't killed that way.
I think I'll change my vote.
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Oh, thought the day phase was already over...
Well, guess this might be my last post in this game.
But if there's someone who can protect me, then I wouldn't certainly mind.
Well, guess this might be my last post in this game.
But if there's someone who can protect me, then I wouldn't certainly mind.
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Depends. I'd consider trading a Janitor kill for an assassination if it helps prevent someone who's taking too long to reveal his results, or to get rid of a crucial target if a lot of docs/blockers/protection is left which could prevent the kill at night.
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Alright, makes sense. Though why did you decide to go with 4 targets exactly? Aren't the odds of finding out something about me and Gryff higher if you only invited us 2 and 1 more person?
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Were you Mason since the start? Only two nights occurred so two recruitment succeeding is impossible. You wouldn't know unless you are the recruiter yourself.
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