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I don't think a gambler changed Farfalla's vote because she was penalized. The gambler description doesn't say you get penalty votes if you admit it was the reason for the vote unlike the politician role.
Hmmm true.
It doesn't say it but it should be the same. It can be updated later.
I agree with Demon on this, though.


Like, I really don't think we have reasons to believe that syx lied about not being the Politician, tho. Those are speculations at most, with not a lot of ground. He had nothing to gain with it. On the contrary, maybe if he had left us with the doubt, he could be alive. I don't think mafia would go for a Politician on N1. And it is freaking weird to have people so confident that syx was it.

Nobody trying to demonstrate he was forced to vote doesn't mean there isn't a Politician/Gambler around. It can mean that: the person wasn't active (oh hi Evil), the target didn't try to signal it, or we missed the signals. Of course, it could be syx, he could be dead, but I personally don't think that's it.

On the other hand, James to me is like... Toned down Kato? '_' He was damn weird as a Bodyguard in the last game as well, and I always think it's a pain in the ass to analise him.

Finally, although I agree with Orgz, Demon, etc., I don't think those arguments beat Evil being contradicting. So:

Votelock Evil
 

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Ok I'm going to go with my gut and Votekill Holt. I haven't been able to shake my suspicion of him. He hasn't posted enough to slip up on anything specific and he doesn't act shady in general but that hint.... You need your hands to wipe, sweep, mop, scrub. Quite instrumental. All those little janitor things. It's so obvious it's perfect, which is why we were supposed to dismiss it. This is poor evidence from me at best and not enough to ask the others to trust me on this since there are shadier characters around but I really have a feeling here.

Since I'm sure he won't get lynched off this I hope that one of the detectives would investigate him at least, for future reference.

Im not sure about holt too, he was among my shady ones but his hints sound to me like he might be a doc or a mason (metaphorical hint maybe).

"Holt - active role, his hands are instrumental to what he does."
 

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True, I didn't give many hints at all. But it doesn't change the fact that most of your posts read like fillers.
Yeah, so do most of your posts as well. But at least we two do post compared to others who barely post at all and if then just two gibberish post and one vote post and that's it.

I’m not sure who to vote for. The points about James are weak to me. Lambu seemed like a good early candidate. Destin for my gut instinct. And well Demon is always suspicious.

Heck if this keeps up, my vote from yesterday won’t change, and I will back Bel’s vote up.
At least you and Gryf still got a thinking head on your shoulders. I'd either vote on Lambu, Van or Demon. Lambu for him trying to frame as Janitor which is weird, mafia I would get, Van cause of his late vote which seemed as try to hopefully get a tie between Empi and syx and Demon because Demon is usually a safe vote in case of getting a Mafia.
 

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How is

1-Demonspeed “My role is interesting, I claimed it once before as Mafia and fucked up.” “Well, my role is active. I don't feel the need to reveal more than that about my role right now”

than

14-James Ryes- “My hint for my role is that I had it before”( James has been: Bodyguard, Santa, Detective, Mason, Politician, M. Bomb defuser, Jesus, Sickly, Janitor, Spy, Hider)

Seriously? Are my hinting priorities wrong or do I have to be more mysterious and vague about my role to appear more truthful?
We're not talking strictly about hinting or what you've said about yourself, but overall. I'm not sure if we've played together before but from what I've kept hearing you're a good and active player, which is why I've found it odd that you've for a big part been commenting about off-topic or "narrating".
At some points it's seemed like you're trying to kind stay "neutral" as well.. like, Erin said Van could be telling the truth and she trusts him, and despite him being your top suspect you decide to just let him be for now (also kinda funny how you just recently got mad at Lambu for giving Van the benefit of the doubt when that's exactly what you did)

Idk, maybe it's because it's much like how I've played the times I've been Mafia, trying to stay under the radar while still keeping active and friendly/helpful. It sets off warning bells.

My vote isn't set in stone, though. And you getting some votes on you has already "gotten you on your feet" more and suggesting suitable targets etc. I'd be lying if I said you're much stronger of a suspect than a lot of others, but I wanted to see some reaction at least.
 

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Im not sure about holt too, he was among my shady ones but his hints sound to me like he might be a doc or a mason (metaphorical hint maybe).

"Holt - active role, his hands are instrumental to what he does."
But if Holt was Mason wouldn't he try to protect Van more who you think is Mason as well? He hardly spoke up today in his defense or spoke much at all.
 

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But if Holt was Mason wouldn't he try to protect Van more who you think is Mason as well? He hardly spoke up today in his defense or spoke much at all.
no idea its just an asumption im trying to understand his hint, may totally be wrong, also we need to get confirmed if van is really mason.
 

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Hmmm true.

I agree with Demon on this, though.


Like, I really don't think we have reasons to believe that syx lied about not being the Politician, tho. Those are speculations at most, with not a lot of ground. He had nothing to gain with it. On the contrary, maybe if he had left us with the doubt, he could be alive. I don't think mafia would go for a Politician on N1. And it is freaking weird to have people so confident that syx was it.

Nobody trying to demonstrate he was forced to vote doesn't mean there isn't a Politician/Gambler around. It can mean that: the person wasn't active (oh hi Evil), the target didn't try to signal it, or we missed the signals. Of course, it could be syx, he could be dead, but I personally don't think that's it.

On the other hand, James to me is like... Toned down Kato? '_' He was damn weird as a Bodyguard in the last game as well, and I always think it's a pain in the ass to analise him.

Finally, although I agree with Orgz, Demon, etc., I don't think those arguments beat Evil being contradicting. So:

Votelock Evil
Is this a lock or just a votekill?
 

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Yeah, I was expecting that. I did my homework yday, Evil, when I was listing those past roles for Bia to add to her list. Besides from giving her that only 4 roles that were added during/after your last play, I checked all the passives you've been in the past. You were only 1. I dropped it 'cause of that, thought my first interpreation was correct then. Also, saying "I'm passive" and "I don't have a night action" is clever word play just to state the same. So yeah, your hint gives nothing, just that you could be any passive role in the game -1. Hence why you were with the bunch I quoted, but you're a worse cause than the ones that at least have a long history list, but not the entire pool of passive game roles. Which also makes me wonder if giving those smalls hints here and there that leads you nowhere but looks like you provided a lot more than others ins't a play as well.

My hints allow you to narrow my role down to 3 options. Entertain yourself with them.
First of all I'm so very sorry I was busy hosting all of those games you earned your rich arsenal of roles you already played. Very inconsiderate of me to screw you over in a situation like this.
I find it more helpful, as there are probably more roles with night actions. As well as the the category of usefulness I placed the role in should eliminate certain roles, but since nobody even picked it in any of the three currently cursating "clue lists" it when way pass you.

There's no way for me to verify a role like that anyways myself, so all you'd have is a word, that you wouldn't trust anyway. I am confident sharing it anytime, but I'd rather wait in consideration for some other, that would appreciate an extra unknown role at night for potential mafia targetting.

No wonder you took Evil' side on this, you also can't follow posts, just like him.

My hint:


What you guys might have read in the weirdest way ever:

Go ctrl+C other pages and you'll see more "Jesus", it's simply an expression that people use, and I use a lot. Next time people might say I'm claiming my role is "shit" "fuck" "damn" or wtv '-'

And here where I recently said I'm not Jesus, to clear confusion:


Btw, the sole time I mentioned detectives investigating me was before getting myself penalized when I was arguing to defend my iffy vote.
What I asked recently and would love to happen is for them to check on Evil...
And considering how others are also pointing out how you're playing weirdly, you might as well be with him.
None of you voted for Emperor. Actually, Evil even had the chance to do so but kept his vote away from the lynching pool, maybe afraid of sacrifing a peer and/or not wanting to get his hands dirty in cause syx was townie.
I'm perfectly confident with a detective checking me any time, but it not your choice or mine. The player(s) who have the role(s) are capable of unbiasly deciding themselves, rather than some iffy individuals telling them what to do.

And here's again you foolish hint quote and how it can be reinterpreted as the role you constantly kept repeating:
"So... should we start playing the game alrdy?
Imo we should go the route we took the previous game, sharing hints. It fucked me in the ass last time," (prostitute/escort - a woman who gets fucked in the ass)
"since I was TP LOL," (what does that even stand for, Temp Politician?)
"but gladly I got some passive shit that could go both ways this time and a soon demise might not be that terrible for the town role-wise (unless I go the wrong way with it ç.ç 'cause soon)" (soon demise not be terrible for town, as the probablity is higher to get back in the game confirmed before it ends, are you fucking kidding me how is that Witch?!?!) It doesn't matter which time you die with that role.

Idk in the portuguese language when you write something and use the last part as a "conclusion", you use what we call "adverbs". So it would have been "I'm not mafia but Jesus, SO I'm frustrated". I admit I could have used commas but, heh, I was frustrated o/

Also, I'm sorry, I'm not saying the rest that got confused by it, even if just for a moment, is lying, but I don't believe in Evil's confusion and I have solid reasons for that.
When I claimed my hint, Vandred questioned me saying it was a convenient hint, that I learned from the previous game and bla bla bla and Evil replied to him about the same topic, mentioning it as well. Here:


So Evil KNEW my hint and claim and then suddenly he "believes" I'm Jesus even though it doesn't fit my hint... That's bs, sry^^"
Yes it does and there is more ways to look for clues about what people are hinting at then what ever you're narrow-mindedly might be thinking.

I can because I am a Blue, the mark on avys is different for Invisible people but I stopped paying attention to that long ago TBH. I didn't notice because of his avatar though but because his name was written below. I don't know if normal users can see names or not.
Reasons to despise you for sure.

Well, back to still planning on votelocking on Evil whenever the phase is about to end, then.
Wish more people would have any opinion on him, though...
Stop mentioning me already, Fake Jesus, I don't get to reply to anyone else because of you constantly spreading your foolish toxic. Oh and a very convinient way to make dodgy votes by the way towards the end. ;)

Edit: avoid*

In the Farfs vs. Evil fight I definitely buy what Farfs is saying more than Evil, who just seemed to not want to let go of his proposed main suspect... and then suddenly did. He's behaving kind of weird imo but could be due to his roleplaying (which I don't want to diss) or that I haven't played against him in a long time I think.



When you drop crazy pieces of research and info ("key evidence") like this and you're Simon Blackquill... do you realize how fitting that is? :XD

Anyway, the ones I distrust the most are still James Rye and Lambu.

James: Aside from the reasons in my big, first post of this Trial phase, there's also the weird part where he seemed to assume(/know?) that syx was Townie, and that we still have all our Docs and Dets in the game. Farf bluntly called him out on this but he never responded. Just gave me even more weird vibes from him.
Lambu: Pretty much what I said in previously mentioned big post, not really built upon that suspicion this phase. Never got around to correcting the things I supposedly got wrong in my post, though,

These two have each other as top suspects, though, which kinda bugs me, but it's not unheard of that Mafia openly throw suspicion at each other.

Anyway, for now vote kill James Rye.
Thank you first of all, but no thank you, I not just finished the case on her all of a sudden.

In fact it's even adding more to it, as her "now" claimed role is a vengekill role Witch, Vengeful or Bomb, that "scars off" noobies to vote for her.

I have a further suspect in a similar position I don't true, but I'll givehim the benefit of the doubt, as clear clues were dropped very early on, and I'd come back to Vendred on D3. :)

A further suspect I have is Demonspeed, who seems to be talking and answering questions but seem to be a leaf in the wind and not showing any true colours. Then this whole "I know that two people will know my role, but the rest is not allowed to know it, because they were not part of the pad". You must really be sure those people are townies, right, to give them such an exclusive knowledge. I don't see how he possibly could have already achieve that by the second day, except when he's a recruited and he started with a mason and got the second one on N1.
 
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Don't know about Holt, but I'm not any kind of Mason. I'm going to votekill desin24, for now at least.

@Crescent_jinxgrace, could you answer a question for me? Same one I asked Bel. Is your role active, and if so, did you use it last night?
 

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Stop mentioning me already, Fake Jesus, I don't get to reply to anyone else because of you constantly spreading your foolish toxic. Oh and a very convinient way to make dodgy votes by the way towards the end. ;)
I only started it on D2 '-' And I post enough to mention more things, but sure o/
Answering to anything else in that repetitive wall would just get me to repeat myself as well, soooo yeah o.o Guess we'll go for a vote exchange.
 

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We're not talking strictly about hinting or what you've said about yourself, but overall. I'm not sure if we've played together before but from what I've kept hearing you're a good and active player, which is why I've found it odd that you've for a big part been commenting about off-topic or "narrating".
At some points it's seemed like you're trying to kind stay "neutral" as well.. like, Erin said Van could be telling the truth and she trusts him, and despite him being your top suspect you decide to just let him be for now (also kinda funny how you just recently got mad at Lambu for giving Van the benefit of the doubt when that's exactly what you did)

Idk, maybe it's because it's much like how I've played the times I've been Mafia, trying to stay under the radar while still keeping active and friendly/helpful. It sets off warning bells.

My vote isn't set in stone, though. And you getting some votes on you has already "gotten you on your feet" more and suggesting suitable targets etc. I'd be lying if I said you're much stronger of a suspect than a lot of others, but I wanted to see some reaction at least.
As a townie you would not want to be too fanatical, just remember what nearly happened to syx last day phase who went off too strongly for somebody and got big backlash in turn. Besides I am not the only "neutral" here, plenty of people either don't talk, don't talk much or if they talk much then most of that talk is useless while some of talk much actually either hide infos in said posts or openly present infos about their roles/actions or they actively try to collect what others said or didn't said.

Well, you got a reaction out of me? Happy with it? xD

Don't know about Holt, but I'm not any kind of Mason. I'm going to votekill desin24, for now at least.

@Crescent_jinxgrace, could you answer a question for me? Same one I asked Bel. Is your role active, and if so, did you use it last night?
Well, there goes your Van is a Mason theory, Erin.
 

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Im not sure about holt too, he was among my shady ones but his hints sound to me like he might be a doc or a mason (metaphorical hint maybe).

"Holt - active role, his hands are instrumental to what he does."
Yeah it's just a strong gut feeling and the first thing that jumped out at me when i saw his hint. I considered doctor for a bit then thought that hint wouldn't really fit, that would be more of a mortician who would do an "autopsy" which would involve cutting the body open so to speak. Then Farfalla mentioned for a pro like him it would be too obvious a hint. Then I thought for a pro like him it would be the perfect amount of audacious. No matter how shady demon is looking I can't shake Holt. I trust my feeling.
 

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Don't know about Holt, but I'm not any kind of Mason. I'm going to votekill desin24, for now at least.

@Crescent_jinxgrace, could you answer a question for me? Same one I asked Bel. Is your role active, and if so, did you use it last night?
oh :headscratch
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Yeah it's just a strong gut feeling and the first thing that jumped out at me when i saw his hint. I considered doctor for a bit then thought that hint wouldn't really fit, that would be more of a mortician who would do an "autopsy" which would involve cutting the body open so to speak. Then Farfalla mentioned for a pro like him it would be too obvious a hint. Then I thought for a pro like him it would be the perfect amount of audacious. No matter how shady demon is looking I can't shake Holt. I trust my feeling.

same i thought 1st he was hinting a doc or a mortician, then theres the demon "likely mortician" thing. I cant tell too.
But its only bc of his hint that i ddnt consider voting for him.
 

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Yeah it's just a strong gut feeling and the first thing that jumped out at me when i saw his hint. I considered doctor for a bit then thought that hint wouldn't really fit, that would be more of a mortician who would do an "autopsy" which would involve cutting the body open so to speak. Then Farfalla mentioned for a pro like him it would be too obvious a hint. Then I thought for a pro like him it would be the perfect amount of audacious. No matter how shady demon is looking I can't shake Holt. I trust my feeling.
Ah, I might give too much credit to how I think people play, and wouldn't call Holt audacious, but I could certainly be wrong about it, same way I could be for not looking too much into Van's vote on syx due to believing that's too silly of a move for him, yeah. I get worried Holt could be a Doctor, like Erin said, but at the same time the players that basically never show up always annoy me as hell, since we dunno what to do with them. God knows if he, as a Doctor, with this level of activity, wouldn't be pulling a Zasz and not using his Night Action as well...
 

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Ok I'm going to go with my gut and Votekill Holt. I haven't been able to shake my suspicion of him. He hasn't posted enough to slip up on anything specific and he doesn't act shady in general but that hint.... You need your hands to wipe, sweep, mop, scrub. Quite instrumental. All those little janitor things. It's so obvious it's perfect, which is why we were supposed to dismiss it. This is poor evidence from me at best and not enough to ask the others to trust me on this since there are shadier characters around but I really have a feeling here.

Since I'm sure he won't get lynched off this I hope that one of the detectives would investigate him at least, for future reference.
Any det is welcome to check me. Also, I'd like to believe I wouldn't be dumb enough to not only give a shitty hint but one that so clearly explains my role assuming I was janitor. I'm not, but well this is mafia game...not like that would make me credible anyway
But if Holt was Mason wouldn't he try to protect Van more who you think is Mason as well? He hardly spoke up today in his defense or spoke much at all.
I'm not Mason but even if I was, I'd say I wouldn't necessarily spring to defence of another Mason. Van should be largely able to handle himself assuming we were masons and unless it was definitely necessary, I wouldn't reveal such info this early.

Pretty much anyone that has played with me knows I don't post much, I like observing and probing more until I find a lead, and then I hold tight and don't let go. There's enough probing going on, and I did a fair bit earlier too. I'm trying to work out who could be lying. That's not me keeping some low profile, it's how I always play
 

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I only started it on D2 '-' And I post enough to mention more things, but sure o/
Answering to anything else in that repetitive wall would just get me to repeat myself as well, soooo yeah o.o Guess we'll go for a vote exchange.
Why would I. There's no point right now, as for some reason your slip up didn't get enough attention yet to actually get you to loose your head. Perhaps because of your strategy to spam your heart out so nobody even gives a damn anymore about what you write.

I will wait.
 
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