Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2018] - Discussion and TOC Talk

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Jujutsu is ok and right now, and there is nothing wrong with that, it's just 38 chapters in. I don't like to compare with other shonen's that already have established sucess, the mangaka just entered a phase in with she can feel safe about not getting axed. Maybe she can fix some of the more urgent problens with it.
I think most of the complains are fair other then the ones about the sucess is achieving.
 

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Not really hell that's the main reason its fallen behind even You Never Learn. It does not matter how "unique" your premise is if there's no hook or a reason to keep on reading people aren't going to automatically get hyped over it. It feels like people are more obsessed over Dr. Stone's premise than its actual execution or even its own cast since thre's nothing remarkable about it.
Personally I. Like Dr.Stone because of the characters and the dynamics between them. The mystery of what happened to the world keeps me interested, and I’m intrigued to see Senku eventually rebuild society to the point it was initially at.
However I look at in the same sense as say something like The Simpson. A series that can just keep running, and adding characters. There is an ultimate goal, and progress is being made, but I go to it because I find the chapters to be a fun read, not because I’m worried about when the goal will be reached.


TLDR: I feel like it’s a comedy that doesn’t necessarily need a end goal hook to draw you in, but has one anyway, and it works
 

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The big hook is rebuilding society from scratch, showing the characters having fun building all these cool modern things in ways you never think about just using rocks and trees.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's impossible to like.
 

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Chainsaw 2 is already out lol http://boards.4channel.org/a/thread/181704207

EDIT: Act-age chapter from this upcoming Jump issue is also out in korean. How surprising to see Chainsaw and Act-age being the first titles to be released, even before One Piece.
I guess it's probably for the best to slow down considering how crazy chapter 1 was. This had a lot of cute slife of life moments, I want to read it in English. The color page is awesome.

I think most of the complains are fair other then the ones about the sucess is achieving.
Some don't like it when other people enjoy a series that's very successful. :derp

I think Dr. Stone and Jujutsu are really great, but they aren't for everyone. :catshrug
 

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Dr. Stone pacing is fast and its pretty unrealistic with how he's developing things. Additionally, its still in a phase of skim unless Chrom has a speaking line.

For stories with the end of the world aspect in JUMP, I thought things like Ziga, Iron Knight, and at least the base premise to Noah's Notes were all far more interesting stories to read.
 

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i dropped dr.stone after the mangaka splited the characters. Is the other guy back already?
 

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i dropped dr.stone after the mangaka splited the characters. Is the other guy back already?
Yes, Taijou came back, but lost all his importance. He's like a total minor character right now (Chrome and the mentalist have more relevance, while Taijou has less relevance than characters like Magma, that ''policeman'' minor character or the periodist girl)
 

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Yes, Taijou came back, but lost all his importance. He's like a total minor character right now (Chrome and the mentalist have more relevance, while Taijou has less relevance than characters like Magma, that ''policeman'' minor character or the periodist girl)
Thank you, i think he complemented the other character well. Don't know if i am coming back now.
 

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Jujitsu sell already more than Dr Stone and We Never Learn.
 

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Honestly dude, either me and Shark are in the minority here of thinking Hero has room for improvement, or it's established by everyone that Shark is a major troll and I'm just in the dark. I honestly agree with him/her that BnHA is lacking in terms of (even in comparison with Black Clover, which is by no means the all-time number one in all of these)
People's issues with Shark has more on lines that he/she never brings anything of merit to argue about and all of his/her points has more to do with bringing down MHA to make BC seem good. I mean anyone agrees that MHA has flaws (like every damn manga in existence) but its demerits are nowhere detrimental as BC's and the reason why no one seriously engages with him/her is because its pointless and the fact that nobody really cares enough about BC to even bring it down.Also his/her suggestions don't even make any sense, how would putting a series on hiatus would do anything to improve it? That's never been the case.
Incoporating characters developing new skills at a good pace
This is essentially what the series has been doing since the beginning.
Enhancing teamwork and squad based tactics (only in the recent arc, which is literally written around team battle, has this come into the forefront, and it will likely disappear soon after as well)
Once again this was a thing the series has been doing before this arc and the prospects of team battles have been brought up in story last year. If anycase a manga doesn't need to focus on team battle to be good.
Being able to draw non messy/non hard to follow attack panels, (If you look at the gomu gomu villain fight, it's really hard to tell who's moving where and getting hit how, most of the panels are just static poses (really cool poses though) and a bunch of action/impact effects)
Now you see that fight really got a lot of praise for being among the best in the series in terms of choreography and art so you're pretty much on your own there. Then again I never had a problem following Heroaca's art to begin with. Now when people criticize Heroaca they seem to miss the obvious flaws either because they're fine with them and don't see them as flaws (see Bakugou, the school aspects, slow progression) or they go after aspects that are the most subjective (Art, panel flow, pacing, etc.) either because they don't want to seem like a hater or they have nothing of merit to really put forth to the table that warrants discussion.

That's not to say that those are gigantic demerits; or that I could do it better if I tried, of course not. I'm just saying there is a lot of untapped potential, and that simply constructively criticizing boku no hero isn't grounds for being called cancerous.
Sharkbait IS cancerous but he/she is more HIV than straight up AIDS, something that exists but can be treated to the point its more of a nuisance than deadly. I'm all for criticism of MHA especially in its recent arcs but never feel like we don't advocate for criticism here just because we ignore Sharkbait.


Personally I. Like Dr.Stone because of the characters and the dynamics between them. The mystery of what happened to the world keeps me interested, and I’m intrigued to see Senku eventually rebuild society to the point it was initially at.
However I look at in the same sense as say something like The Simpson. A series that can just keep running, and adding characters. There is an ultimate goal, and progress is being made, but I go to it because I find the chapters to be a fun read, not because I’m worried about when the goal will be reached.


TLDR: I feel like it’s a comedy that doesn’t necessarily need a end goal hook to draw you in, but has one anyway, and it works
They're all really one-dimensional and always seem to be defined by one thing they can do and not much else so I really wouldn't call it a dynamic. I actually don't thin the mystery is all that engaging specifically because of how poorly done that flashback was and the absurdity of it all despite the series wanting to make taken seriously. You see the Simpsons actually had good writing and character interaction to which Dr. Stone soesn't, a series doesn't have to have an ultimate goal at the end to be engaging (see:HxH) it just needs to have a hook to keep people interested which I feel Dr. Stone does nt.
The big hook is rebuilding society from scratch, showing the characters having fun building all these cool modern things in ways you never think about just using rocks and trees.
Okay but why is any of that interesting? You just proved my point that the premise is only carrying Dr. Stone because nobody cares about anything else and this is just based on its lack of growth and online presence.

Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's impossible to like.
Never said it was impossible to like just that the people who like it do a poor job of selling what makes it good which you seem to be continuing that trend.
 

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Inagaki is a perfect human being for creating eyeshield21.
Anyone talk bad about him = :pwned:ck
 

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Inagaki is a perfect human being for creating eyeshield21.
Anyone talk bad about him = :pwned:ck
We're just going to pretend everything after the Christmas Bowl doesn't exist then?
 

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How is that not interesting? Rebuilding society and all kinds of modern day inventions starting from just sticks and rocks is a fun and interesting premise that's used really well and creatively by the series. Plus that results in lots of characters working together with their own individual skills which is a great dynamic nothing else in the magazine has except sometimes Black Clover on much a smaller scale (and World Trigger but that went on hiatus before Stone started).

Again you not liking a series doesn't mean it's an impossible series to like.
 

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.Also his/her suggestions don't even make any sense, how would putting a series on hiatus would do anything to improve it? That's never been the case.
A break gives writers a chance to get their thoughts together. Consider why we consistently see writers of literary media including novels, trilogies, sagas, so on and so forth asking fans to wait for more time between iterations and come out and say they need more time to really get the ideas they have straight. Manga writers dont have the opportunity of going at their own pace and thus face the issue of putting out poorly written, hole filled, writings to meet their weekly deadlines (though we do get some that take a break and request more time under the guise "research") Even the writer of Toriko took a one month break, as well as Kubo. Thus, what I propose for Horikoshi isnt something unpresidented, revolutionary, and unheard of, but something that would be doable and greatly benefit the series in its current state.
 

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How is that not interesting? Rebuilding society and all kinds of modern day inventions starting from just sticks and rocks is a fun and interesting premise that's used really well and creatively by the series.
You're just making another stock comment. You're not saying why its interesting or why its fun juts that YOU find it as such.

Plus that results in lots of characters working together with their own individual skills which is a great dynamic nothing else in the magazine has except sometimes Black Clover on much a smaller scale (and World Trigger but that went on hiatus before Stone started).
Character A - I need a particular skill
Character B- I have that skill
Precedes to use thus skill and have no character or relevance outside thus skill. And this goes on for the rest of the manga. This is not how a dynamic works.

Like I said. The people who like this manga have a very hard time explaining what makes it good.

Again you not liking a series doesn't mean it's an impossible series to like.
Where did I ever say its impossible to like it? What you like is your own damn business I'm just trying to prove that not anyone will find the same things you like fun or interesting.
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Even the writer of Toriko took a one month break, as well as Kubo. Thus, what I propose for Horikoshi isnt something unpresidented, revolutionary, and unheard of, but something that would be doable and greatly benefit the series in its current state.
You using those as examples does not prove you case especially Kubo.
 

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. Now when people criticize Heroaca they seem to miss the obvious flaws either because they're fine with them and don't see them as flaws (see Bakugou)

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What was your top 5 manga (WSJ) for the year? Mine are:

1. HZ
2. One Piece
3. Kimetsu No Yaiba
4. HxH
5. Jujutsu Kaisen

I haven't really gotten the chance to read Gintama/MHA since Im more anime fans for those. Im curious to see which series you guys enjoyed the most this year. (not overall)
 

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Why do so many people on twitter seem to think the announcement tomorrow is something Bleach related? Is it blind hope, or do they realize it won't happen but just want to believe?
 
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