Discussion Zoro and Sanji

[ThatOtherGuy]

Sanji is clearly the fast type, perhaps you could compare Zoro and Sanji with Boundman and Snakesman. While Sanji got brains, Zoro has some super-Human durability.

Nah Zoro is less mobile than Sanji, but definitely not slower. You can notice it in some rare occasions like when Kaku's soru was pointless against him, or when the monster trio were running towards the pacifista in Shabaody to finish him off. Zoro's fights seem to be less rushed than Sanji and he doesn't move around as much when fighting, which seems to be a characteristic of sword fights in One Piece (see Mihawk vs Vista), but Sanji isn't particularly faster.

 

[Fox666]

Nah Zoro is less mobile than Sanji, but definitely not slower. You can notice it in some rare occasions like when Kaku's soru was pointless against him, or when the monster trio were running towards the pacifista in Shabaody to finish him off. Zoro's fights seem to be less rushed than Sanji and he doesn't move around as much when fighting, which seems to be a characteristic of sword fights in One Piece (see Mihawk vs Vista), but Sanji isn't particularly faster.

Of course Zoro is slower. I don't think that's even debatable.

Sanji can even use Geppo because of how fast his body moves.

Zoro on the other hand is obviously not good at dodging, and received injuries that would be fatal for a normal person in every story arc.

That's not to say Zoro can't swing a sword at super-speed, but that's purely based on technique. He can't reproduce it on the rest of his body.

 

[ThatOtherGuy]

Of course Zoro is slower. I don't think that's even debatable.

Sanji can even use Geppo because of how fast his body moves.

Zoro on the other hand is obviously not good at dodging, and received injuries that would be fatal for a normal person in every story arc.

That's not to say Zoro can't swing a sword at super-speed, but that's purely based on technique. He can't reproduce it on the rest of his body.

It's untrue. Can't be non debatable if it's untrue.

Aokiji doesn't use geppo. Would you say he's slow? Same for Law, Doflamingo, Kizaru and many more.

Yes, Zoro can tank damage that would be fatal for Sanji. He can also block most attacks coming his way by reacting in hyper speed using his whole body (see Zoro blocking a soru follow up attack from the side without even looking vs Kaku). Zoro being a tank isn't a statement about his speed.

Again, monster trio synchronizing their final attack against the pacifista. And post-ts, Zoro and Sanji synchronizing their attack against the pacifista.

 

[Shasha23]

Of course Zoro is slower. I don't think that's even debatable.

And back before they entered Fishmen Island the crew commented on how faster Zoro was than Sanji, but i guess will just ignore that fact!

 

[Luke Beifong]

And back before they entered Fishmen Island the crew commented on how faster Zoro was than Sanji, but i guess will just ignore that fact!

Zoro is faster than Sanji? I don’t remember this

 

[Shasha23]

Zoro is faster than Sanji? I don’t remember this

When they were attacking Serume/Kraken, Franky and Usopp stated that Sanji was fast and was like a fishmen but when Sanji was about to be attacked Zoro moved soo fast that Franky and Usopp said his movement where impossible to track.

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Of course Zoro is slower. I don't think that's even debatable.

Sanji can even use Geppo because of how fast his body moves.

Zoro on the other hand is obviously not good at dodging, and received injuries that would be fatal for a normal person in every story arc.

That's not to say Zoro can't swing a sword at super-speed, but that's purely based on technique. He can't reproduce it on the rest of his body.

Thats not true, Sanji in terms of movement speed is probably the fastest among the 3 but in regards to attacking speed and combat speed his is clearly slower that Zoro and Luffy as manga has clearly indicated.

You are confusing Geppo and Soru, Geppo allows you to move is mid-air while Soru allows you to move at superhuman speed, Luffy can use both while Sanji can only use Geppo(skywalk) which doesn't increase movement speed what so ever.

We have seen Zoro move soo fast that experienced fighters couldnt keep up, we have also see examples of him moving faster than Sanji and dodging attacks that Sanji couldnt see coming.

in terms of combat their speed goes like this:

Running speed : Sanji> Luffy > Zoro
Attack speed : Luffy(Snakeman) > Zoro > (Luffy-g2 and boundman) > Sanji
Reaction speed : Luffy(future sight) > Zoro >= Sanji

 

[Fox666]

And back before they entered Fishmen Island the crew commented on how faster Zoro was than Sanji, but i guess will just ignore that fact!

That's only in the anime.

Spoiler

If anything, the scene with the Kraken is proof that Sanji is faster than Zoro, since he attacked first.

Thats not true, Sanji in terms of movement speed is probably the fastest among the 3 but in regards to attacking speed and combat speed his is clearly slower that Zoro and Luffy as manga has clearly indicated.

Luffy is obviously the fastest after he learned Gear 2.

Zoro is not the fast type. The speed of his sword attacks is based on his technique. It's like comparing a 100 metres sprinter with someone who can type on a keyboard really fast.

You are confusing Geppo and Soru, Geppo allows you to move is mid-air while Soru allows you to move at superhuman speed, Luffy can use both while Sanji can only use Geppo(skywalk) which doesn't increase movement speed what so ever.

Geppo is based on speed, you have to kick the air very quickly.

It's the sort of thing that Zoro would never be able to do, for example.

we have also see examples of him moving faster than Sanji and dodging attacks that Sanji couldnt see coming.

Example?

 

[Shasha23]

That's only in the anime.

Spoiler

If anything, the scene with the Kraken is proof that Sanji is faster than Zoro, since he attacked first.


Luffy is obviously the fastest after he learned Gear 2.

Zoro is not the fast type. The speed of his sword attacks is based on his technique. It's like comparing a 100 metres sprinter with someone who can type on a keyboard really fast.


Geppo is based on speed, you have to kick the air very quickly.

It's the sort of thing that Zoro would never be able to do, for example.


Example?

I stand corrected, and your wrong Zoro didnt attack first he attacked before Sanji was killed by the Kraken

Yes Luffy is faster after G2 but we have seen Sanji do some insane speeds which are far more impressive than Luffy and Zoro

That is why i made a category of who is faster in what category, since Zoro is definitely not faster than Luffy and Sanji in movement speed, but is faster in attack speed excluding Luffy in snakeman

Geppo does not increase movement speed, Soru is what increases movement speed(Soru is like sonido from Bleach), im done telling you this, go reread what the CP-9 powers do

Sanji was unable to react to Kuma's pad canon while Zoro casually dodged them.

 

[Aliocha]

I stand corrected, and your wrong Zoro didnt attack first he attacked before Sanji was killed by the Kraken

Yes Luffy is faster after G2 but we have seen Sanji do some insane speeds which are far more impressive than Luffy and Zoro

That is why i made a category of who is faster in what category, since Zoro is definitely not faster than Luffy and Sanji in movement speed, but is faster in attack speed excluding Luffy in snakeman

Geppo does not increase movement speed, Soru is what increases movement speed(Soru is like sonido from Bleach), im done telling you this, go reread what the CP-9 powers do

Sanji was unable to react to Kuma's pad canon while Zoro casually dodged them.

But Kuma never used this attack in Sanji

 

[Shasha23]

But Kuma never used this attack in Sanji

When he used it on Franky, Sanji was only able to notice Franky was attacked after the fact while Zoro was easy able to dodge those attack, meaning out of everyone there he was the only one who could dodge

 

[Aliocha]

When he used it on Franky, Sanji was only able to notice Franky was attacked after the fact while Zoro was easy able to dodge those attack, meaning out of everyone there he was the only one who could dodge

??

There was no reaction from Sanji about this fact, like Zoro. Only the other members exclaimed about Franky's body lying on the floor.

 

[ThatOtherGuy]

Zoro and Sanji moved their entire bodies in an simultanious attack at the same speed in a moment when neither of them had time to hold back. Zoro did more damage though.

 

[King Moe]

The thing that makes Zoro “stronger” than Sanji is his swords. Beginning a Swordsman makes you deadlier than beginning a “kicksman”. Ad this their personality, Zoro beginning more badass and always fight the “strong” opponent and that’s it, Zoro is stronger. For me the two of them are “equals”, Zoro is stronger, Sanji is smarter. Simple like that

Got nullify when we saw Garp fighting with barefists through with Rocks. Having weapons doesn't make you beyond someone. Luffy is even showing that. Sanji can beat Zoro even with swords.

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Zoro and Sanji moved their entire bodies in an simultanious attack at the same speed in a moment when neither of them had time to hold back. Zoro did more damage though.

Damage output is the same as Sanji easily broke his neck.

 

[hokageji]

Zoro and Sanji moved their entire bodies in an simultanious attack at the same speed in a moment when neither of them had time to hold back. Zoro did more damage though.

why? cos the blade are is more? its not conclusive. This panel is only proof as rivals and equals.

 

[Fox666]

Both Zoro and Sanji attacks would have destroyed the Pacifista. The point of the scene is that both have enough power and speed to completely outmatch a Pacifista.

 

[afromarco005]

The thing that makes Zoro “stronger” than Sanji is his swords. Beginning a Swordsman makes you deadlier than beginning a “kicksman”. Ad this their personality, Zoro beginning more badass and always fight the “strong” opponent and that’s it, Zoro is stronger. For me the two of them are “equals”, Zoro is stronger, Sanji is smarter. Simple like that

Im not sure why this made me laugh as hard as it did but congrats sir

 

[ThatOtherGuy]

@King Moe @hokageji @nik87 My point exactly. Their speed is equal, since the pacifista was very close. The power thing was more of an after thought remark.

 

[nik87]

Zoro is type of combatant who isnt mobile, that has nothing to do with his movement speed. No swordsman is a mobile type of combatant afaik.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Zoro is type of combatant who isnt mobile, that has nothing to do with his movement speed. No swordsman is a mobile type of combatant afaik.

Cavendish?

 

[Fox666]

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