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[Jko]

Laughs in Acno feats

(I know you don't 'believe' in them.)

Bruh, I'm not meaning to be bad natured here but were you ever not done with Jellal hype?

Laughs in getting oneshotted by Neinheart. Laughs in Makarov Acno feats. Laugh in Base Wendy's RoT Acno feats.

Yes, I once fell for the Jellal hype back in the day, but I am done having to wait for his feats to catch up to his portrayal.

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 17, 2020, Original Post Date: Jan 17, 2020 ---

It's that

Is that so? Ok, that's still a one shot spell once it's cast.

Sema did defeat them?
You mean it didn't kill them? Maybe it's because the guy controlled it's power so that he could put them down instead of killing them? His goal was to recruit them you know?

Abyss break in x784. It surely scales with magic power -_-
I can certainly see the spell from Jellal to be multi City level now

Pull up an actual feat to say Mira and Elfman has more attack power than Demo fist as well by that logic. Those two are completely featless (on screen) since Tartarus, only had off panel fights.
Skullion's dura is featless.
Madmole needs to keep using his magic power to enhance his defense each time, he could've just ran low on magic power eventually as Elfman kept throwing punches

Never oneshotted anyone. Couldn't even kill a defenseless Jellal lol.

After being combo-ed with Grand Chariot. He was done after that spell so no, he put his all into it lol. It also didn't even KO them lol.

It's featless and confirmed to be weaker than Sema.

Spoiler: After Demo-fist

Spoiler: After tag battle with the tag battle

Clearly he is actually damaged by you know showings. Since when does off panel = featless???

Nothing of such was stated or even implied so no, he was hurt bcs they were letting out attacks that were stronger than his defense which was capable of no selling Demo-fist.

 

[Kouichi]

Im not sure if we could count Lost Iced Shell Gray in here, or no.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Im not sure if we could count Lost Iced Shell Gray in here, or no.

No suicide spells

 

[Kouichi]

No suicide spells

Oof thank you! Forgot it was a suicide spell

 

[Livinbreathineatin]

Laughs in Acno feats

(I know you don't 'believe' in them.)

Bruh, I'm not meaning to be bad natured here but were you ever not done with Jellal hype?

I don't want to discount Elfman but you have to admit that him suddenly having the strength to have punches that match/exceed a Demo Fist is somewhat unbelievable, right? Meanwhile Mira was put in the same league as Laxus, and he just completely demolished a DE with a couple of nameless feats and a Secret Art. If either of the two were going to damage Madmole to that extent, it would make more sense for Mira to have done it.

Hell, Elfman got hurt just by punching Madmole:

Spoiler

Even the next time after that Skullion and Madmole don't have any scratches of them while Mira and Elfman are noticeably damaged:

Spoiler

And then the last look we get at them prior to Skullion/Madmole retreating is the one where its seemingly more even:

Spoiler

Elfman is still in the exact same Soul as he was when he got hurt just from punching Madmole.

Its these kinds of things that I feel should be scrutinised. To be fair Elfman isn't alone in this either, Mira couldn't even hurt Skullion at all and was getting outmanoeuvred in the only proper bit of the fight we saw. Yet then when the fight ended, Skullion and Madmole were damaged. Essentially, BBS Mira and Elfman were shown to be outclassed by both Skullion and Madmole respectively in the only real on-panel part of the fight. Then by the end Mira and Elfman somehow have Madmole and Skullion all scratched up despite being in the exact same Souls as they were in at the start.

I agree with you that the intent was to paint the fight as Madmole vs Elfman and Skullion vs Mira, but the fight itself makes zero sense when you put together what pieces of it we have. Since neither Mira or Elfman used different Souls during the fight it consequently means the end result doesn't match the rest of the fight. Like I said at the beginning, I don't want to outright discount these feats for the Strauss', but it needs to be looked at more carefully because I think there's pretty decent ground to call this off-panel fight a complete outlier for both of them.

Your whole way of thinking is “if they were losing in the beginning, they can’t possibly do better later”, right? That’s what it sounds like to me. Forgetting their was a whole fight in between the start and end.

 

[grey matter]

Laughs in getting oneshotted by Neinheart. Laughs in Makarov Acno feats. Laugh in Base Wendy's RoT Acno feats.

Neinhart didn't even damage him much at all.
It's quite obvious, when you look at Jellal after Kagura CPR'd him. He showed no signs of damage at all, not even a scratch. He fainted because he drowned with force.
AUGUST actually damaged him, negg'd him. You could see that Jellal was visibly damaged and was barely able to stand up. While, from Neinhart's spell, he didn't even have a scratch and moved around like nothing happened after CPR.

Never oneshotted anyone. Couldn't even kill a defenseless Jellal lol.

Dude, are you serious? At least the Neinhart "one shot" downplay has some base and I can at least comprehend why people think that way, though it's wrong.
But this one? Come on dude, at least downplay with some sense lmao. Self destruction didn't kill Jellal because he deactivated it.
Self Destruction was gonna one shot Nirvana, which was why Brain cancelled it. It was gonna one shot Jellal as well, he knows the deactivation code so he deactivated it because Erza asked him to.

It takes time to activate, it's circle/code has to complete the object and then it causes it to self destruct.

After being combo-ed with Grand Chariot. He was done after that spell so no, he put his all into it lol. It also didn't even KO them lol.

So? He could've very well held back, it''s completely logical. Just because he was tired, doesn't mean that he couldn't have continued the fight. The aim was to recruit them, not to kill them.

It's featless and confirmed to be weaker than Sema.

Featless? Yes
Confirmed to be weaker than Sema? How?

Clearly he is actually damaged by you know showings. Since when does off panel = featless???

I said featless on panel.
We don't know what damaged or how damaged

Nothing of such was stated or even implied so no, he was hurt bcs they were letting out attacks that were stronger than his defense which was capable of no selling Demo-fist.

You think Madmole can tank infinite demo fists? Of course not.
His ABILITY is tanking. It's NOT his natural durability or tankiness. Elfman could've kept spamming attacks until the guy let his defense loose or until he became low on magic power (and hence his defense reduce).

 

[Axiomus]

Im not sure if we could count Lost Iced Shell Gray in here, or no.

As @Kurumi Tokisaki pointed out, it's a suicide spell. Also, it wouldn't really change Gray's ranking because Lost Iced Shell inherently does no damage. If it works, then it simply traps its target in ice forever.

 

[Tirl]

I think it's pretty safe to assume that Natsu, Laxus, Erza, and Gildarts make up the top 4

Didnt even put "someone" from that 4 in my list

 

[Axiomus]

Didnt even put "someone" from that 4 in my list

Ooof. Like not even top 10? Interested to see who did make your list then.

 

[Tirl]

Ooof. Like not even top 10? Interested to see who did make your list then.

Its about offensive, not pure strength or endurance. Even Gildarts isnt top 1 in my list xd

 

[Vis]

Didnt even put "someone" from that 4 in my list

Intentionally? From where I am standing, it feels more like a requirement that those four be at least place in your top 10, even top 5 isn’t being too much considering they’re pretty much the strongest humans alive at this point.

 

[Tirl]

Intentionally? From where I am standing, it feels more like a requirement that those four be at least place in your top 10, even top 5 isn’t being too much considering they’re pretty much the strongest humans alive at this point.

Strongest =\= offensive. I could tell 10 people stronger than Erza or who can nodiff her even being weaker. Pretty much freaking Kain Hikaru can nodiff her if he get her hair

 

[Vis]

Strongest =\= offensive. I could tell 10 people stronger than Erza or who can nodiff her even being weaker. Pretty much freaking Kain Hikaru can nodiff her if he get her hair

They’re not the same, but there’s usually a pattern of the strongest characters possessing the best offense. There’s not really a lot of exception to this.

Kain Hikaru possessing her is hax, not necessarily offense. And that’s a massive NLF you’re playing with there, he controlled Tenrou Lucy, now you’re saying he should also he able to control 100YQ Erza?

 

[Tirl]

They’re not the same, but there’s usually a pattern of the strongest characters possessing the best offense. There’s not really a lot of exception to this.

Kain Hikaru possessing her is hax, not necessarily offense. And that’s a massive NLF you’re playing with there, he controlled Tenrou Lucy, now you’re saying he should also he able to control 100YQ Erza?

Warlod is strong. But he cant fight. Being strong ofcourse helps you to be offensive if you have offensive abilities. Like Gildarts.
Well, nothing suggest he cant do that to anyone. It is just too hard to get hair.
Dont know what is NLF

 

[Crimson Ice]

Is this the character at their peak? If so there is an obvious winner.

 

[Axiomus]

Is this the character at their peak? If so there is an obvious winner.

It wouldn't be very meaningful to rank characters at their weakest. The rules are defined the first page. If you want to put extra limitations on your list, you're free to to do so. Personally, I'd say anything that is not an outside power-up is fair game.

Its about offensive, not pure strength or endurance. Even Gildarts isnt top 1 in my list xd

Well, we're talking about characters who can deal the most damage with their magic. Considering Natsu, Laxus, and Erza have some of the best feats when it comes to attack power, it's pretty hard that they wouldn't make top 10. Again, it will be interesting to see who you placed above them.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Well, we're talking about characters who can deal the most damage with their magic. Considering Natsu, Laxus, and Erza have some of the best feats when it comes to attack power, it's pretty hard that they wouldn't make top 10. Again, it will be interesting to see who you placed above them.

What about brandish magic. I want to put her in the list for her brain busting but it seems to be an ability that ignores durability.

 

[Tirl]

Well, we're talking about characters who can deal the most damage with their magic. Considering Natsu, Laxus, and Erza have some of the best feats when it comes to attack power, it's pretty hard that they wouldn't make top 10. Again, it will be interesting to see who you placed above them.

There are no rules to how we choose them, only for lethality. High damage or something that can kill\ko you by contact without high damage. Erza is all about endurance. Never saw high attack power from her. PoF meteor and thats all. All she did whole time - took damage - GMG, Tartaros, Alvarez, Tenrou. Never showed attack power. Sword numbers, thats all. Who can make more KO, Natsu or Bradman (I know he is "dead")?
If I must rank Erza and Laxus by offense, I would give Laxus 10 points and below 0 to Erza cuz its rediculous to even think her as offensive mage

 

[Axiomus]

There are no rules to how we choose them, only for lethality. High damage or something that can kill\ko you by contact without high damage. Erza is all about endurance. Never saw high attack power from her. PoF meteor and thats all. All she did whole time - took damage - GMG, Tartaros, Alvarez, Tenrou. Never showed attack power. Sword numbers, thats all. Who can make more KO, Natsu or Bradman (I know he is "dead")?
If I must rank Erza and Laxus by offense, I would give Laxus 10 points and below 0 to Erza cuz its rediculous to even think her as offensive mage

Erza's heavens wheel matched Laxus' imperial red lightning attack, which was the same spell used to kill Wall.

Natsu? Natsu can KO more people than Bloodman. Both in terms of sheer number of opponents through AoE, and in terms of the level of opponents.

 

[Demon Hunter]

how can Erza have 0 offense if she pushed Laxus to extreme diff

who damaged Laxus in that fight I wonder