Discussion Lucy's Star Dress

[Livinbreathineatin]

I think Lucy vs Mirajane could have been the perfect battle to show off a bunch of Mirajane's takeovers and Lucy Stardresses in a legit way where we actually get to see the quality of them. For example:

Base Satan Soul vs Leo/Virgo/Gemini Stardress Combo: Satan Soul special attribute is Dark Magic while Leo form special attribute is Light magic. So Lucy's Light Magic and Mirajanes Dark Magic should cancel each other out. Thus it comes down to physical stats, Lucy using a combo of Virgo, Leo and Gemini magic should be able to move at "Light" speeds thus making Lucy faster than BSS. Where as I see BSS having better strength physicals.

Clearly this should end in a stand still due to the idea Lucy is too fast for Mirajane to hit while Lucy punches aren't strong enough to take Mirajane out and both are draining magic. Mirajane from using Takeover and Lucy from having summoned spirits to fight Elfman and Lissana.

Sitri vs Aquarius/Taurus/Gemini Stardress Combo: Aquarius water cancels out Sitri Fire. Both should be roughly equal physically. A combo between Taurus Axe absorbing ability and Gemini mimic power allows Lucy in this stardress to mimic and absorb Mirajane's physical strength. Mirajane does gain the edge in speed though with the fire aspect boosting her speed and allowing her to get more hits on Lucy and making it hard for Lucy to actually hit her.

While Mirajane might have the advantage in this form she is wasting to much magical power she might need later to destroy the orb and fight another stronger opponent than Lucy.

Takeover: Keith vs Scorpio/Gemini/Taurus: Keith form doesn't take as much magical power as Sitri but has the advantage of being intangible and agile to physical attacks. However Scorpio sand is able to blow away Keiths form intangible body. Tauaurs form able to absorb the anti magical particles. Lucy outclasses this form pretty easily.


Takeover: Torafusa vs Aquarius/Taurus/Libra: Lucy gains Libra key by having Gemini copy Yukino and make a copy of her keys like Angel did to Lucy back in the OS arc. Torafusa and Aquarius water powers cancel each other out same with Libra's gravity and Torafusa density manipuklation.


Takeover: Jackal vs Aquarius/Scorpio/Gemini: Lucy uses Aquarius shield as a defensive against Jackal mode nukes. Mirajane's offensive power and Lucy's defensive power cancel each other out.

Takeover: Tempesta vs Aries/Gemini/Hologium Stardress combo: Mirajane outclasses Lucy in attack power but Lucy holds up on the defensive side of things. Aries wool is able to negate Tempesta wind and water attacks. Horologium is able to withstand Tempesta heat attacks.

Takeover: Sayla vs Capricorn/Leo/Taurus Stardress Combo: Macro and Human subordination cancel each other out. Limit release Sayla and Taurus form are roughly equal physical and Sayla Nuke is cancel out a Light storm(Combo of Leo and Taurus attacks).

Takeover: Kyouka vs Gemini/Cancer/Hologium Stardress Combo: Lucy uses Gemini form having mimicked some of Wendy's healing and enchantment magic to negate Kyouka senses curse with body abnormal reversal. Cancer swords par with Kyouka claws and Horologuim offers Lucy higher defense. Kyouka enhancer curse and Wendy's enchant cancel each other out.

Takeover: Algeria vs Cancer/Libra/Taurus Stardress Combo(Cancer/Leo Combo): Lucy uses a similar attack that CSK used to take out Plutogrim. Something like a Meteor blade to slash at Mirajane. Mirajane should be able to use a form of the Algeria spell to try and absorb Lucy but Lucy should be able to counter with a similar spell to Galaxie Blade using a combo of Leo's light magic and Cancer swords. This should 100% drain Lucy of all her magic while knocking Mirajane out of this form.

Should have ended with Lucy passing out due to magical exhausten and Mirajane being highly bruised and exhausted but not passed out before she encounters the dragon eaters. Them commenting they can sense her holding back some power before she goes into Larcade or Bloodman takeover.

Too bad this scenario wouldn’t play out since Mira wouldn’t need to do so much unnecessary fighting lol Lucy wouldn’t push her this much. BSS and Sitri are more than enough for Lucy and whatever combos she wants. Also some of those Lucy abilities seem ridiculous but we’ll see if any of those made up abilities are used.

You literally said limit release Seilah is as strong as Taurus.... so is Taurus stronger than Mirajane Sitri from Tartaros? Lmao.

 

[Cosmicstar]

Too bad this scenario wouldn’t play out since Mira wouldn’t need to do so much unnecessary fighting lol Lucy wouldn’t push her this much. BSS and Sitri are more than enough for Lucy and whatever combos she wants. Also some of those Lucy abilities seem ridiculous but we’ll see if any of those made up abilities are used.

You literally said limit release Seilah is as strong as Taurus.... so is Taurus stronger than Mirajane Sitri from Tartaros? Lmao.

What abilities are ridiculous? Because all of these are abilities the spirits posses just simply combined. Also Satan soul couldn't defeat Lucy even with Elfman help indicating it clearly wasn't enough.

 

[Livinbreathineatin]

What abilities are ridiculous? Because all of these are abilities the spirits posses just simply combined. Also Satan soul couldn't defeat Lucy even with Elfman help indicating it clearly wasn't enough.

First of all saying Lucy can copy Wendy then cancel out Kyouka’s enchantment seems like a a bit of stretch, no? Where did that come from?

BSS didn’t even nuke Lucy. She wasn’t serious and she wasn’t even pushed. All she needed to was punch Lucy to overwhelm her and her sprits. We saw BSS later go onto stalemate Skullion, indicating it’s too much for Lucy. You make it sound like Elfman and Mirajane combined aren’t strong enough to defeat Lucy..... are you implying she’s some big bad that can fight evenly with both siblings? Can Lucy stalemate Madmole and Skullion by herself? LMAO. Imagine. Also we saw BSS tank Lucy’s trump card that should be stronger than most of her whole arsenal..... so.......

 

[Cosmicstar]

First of all saying Lucy can copy Wendy then cancel out Kyouka’s enchantment seems like a a bit of stretch, no? Where did that come from?

BSS didn’t even nuke Lucy. She wasn’t serious and she wasn’t even pushed. All she needed to was punch Lucy to overwhelm her and her sprits. We saw BSS later go onto stalemate Skullion, indicating it’s too much for Lucy. You make it sound like Elfman and Mirajane combined aren’t strong enough to defeat Lucy..... are you implying she’s some big bad that can fight evenly with both siblings? Can Lucy stalemate Madmole and Skullion by herself? LMAO. Imagine.

I am not implying anything I am telling you what happened. It was shown that BSS nor Lion soul could take Lucy out. This is how the fight went.

 

[yutu]

First of all saying Lucy can copy Wendy then cancel out Kyouka’s enchantment seems like a a bit of stretch, no? Where did that come from?

BSS didn’t even nuke Lucy. She wasn’t serious and she wasn’t even pushed. All she needed to was punch Lucy to overwhelm her and her sprits. We saw BSS later go onto stalemate Skullion, indicating it’s too much for Lucy. You make it sound like Elfman and Mirajane combined aren’t strong enough to defeat Lucy..... are you implying she’s some big bad that can fight evenly with both siblings? Can Lucy stalemate Madmole and Skullion by herself? LMAO. Imagine. Also we saw BSS tank Lucy’s trump card that should be stronger than most of her whole arsenal..... so.......

I remind you that Mirajane is never at home when her sister and brother or other is with her and she says that quite often. So, seeing Mirajane struggling with EDs and the simple fact that Elfman is with her. If she were alone she could have defeated them with algria. If Lucy is still standing not out of breath and can still run and used magic after her fight with mirajane shows that she is not in a bad situation against the form satan soul. Since the beginning of the manga we see that Lucy is in a bad situation when she has no more magic (Galuna, tenro, tartaros . . . ). Lucy showed no lack of magic against elfman and mirajane. So that shows she wasn't in a bad situation. Besides, lucy can use mirajane's weakness to her advantage.

 

[Jko]

Mira and Elf held back. Just stop the downplay. It was clear as day the two didn't want to harm Lucy and held back their punches. Lucy pissed her pants as soon as Mira stepped it up for Skullion.

 

[yutu]

Mirajane always says that she holds back when he has people with her. Chapter 310: It is when I am alone that I can unleash my power. So as long as Elfman is next to her, she won't use her true power against Skullion. Why she stepped up her power is because skullion defeated fake lisanna. Sorry, but to me, I don't see elfman holding back against lucy.

 

[Livinbreathineatin]

I am not implying anything I am telling you what happened. It was shown that BSS nor Lion soul could take Lucy out. This is how the fight went.

BSS didn’t try because defeating Lucy doesn’t require much effort. That’s what happened. Also the fight was interrupted it wasn’t a draw. Lucy was losing at every turn. Her trump card did nothing to Mira and Elfman, her spirits got taken out like trash and she was getting pressured by simple punches from Mira, no nuke needed.

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Mira and Elf held back. Just stop the downplay. It was clear as day the two didn't want to harm Lucy and held back their punches. Lucy pissed her pants as soon as Mira stepped it up for Skullion.

I know right, everyone sees Lucy not losing and the fight being interrupted as a feat lol. She most certainly wasn’t on par with Mira and Elfman or a challenge for them so idk what these people were seeing in the manga.

 

[yutu]

BSS didn’t try because defeating Lucy doesn’t require much effort. That’s what happened. Also the fight was interrupted it wasn’t a draw. Lucy was losing at every turn. Her trump card did nothing to Mira and Elfman, her spirits got taken out like trash and she was getting pressured by simple punches from Mira, no nuke needed.

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I know right, everyone sees Lucy not losing and the fight being interrupted as a feat lol. She most certainly wasn’t on par with Mira and Elfman or a challenge for them so idk what these people were seeing in the manga.

She didn't lose at every turn because star mix virgo and leo sound one and the same. The second round was taurus and gemini but interrupted by the DEs. Lucy was going to use the mirajane's weak spot but we didn't see it end because of the surgery. Knowing that Lucy uses two spirits + a stardress to fight 3 opponents. Her spirit dress pumps magic both spirits pump lucy's magic to the same level (and not their own). So she uses as much magic as elfman, mira and lisanna put together on her own and she is still standing in front of a mage of rank S a candidate for rank S and lisanna and can still use magic still shows an evolution. Example: satan soul (10%) bete lion elfman (20%) fox spirit (20% magic) and lucy ( two spirits (20%*2+5% stardress). Sertes elfman beat leo, but that doesn't mean he was holding back. Everyone has a different vision in a reading, the one who has a true reading vision and the author.

 

[Livinbreathineatin]

She didn't lose at every turn because star mix virgo and leo sound one and the same. The second round was taurus and gemini but interrupted by the DEs. Lucy was going to use the mirajane's weak spot but we didn't see it end because of the surgery. Knowing that Lucy uses two spirits + a stardress to fight 3 opponents. Her spirit dress pumps magic both spirits pump lucy's magic to the same level (and not their own). So she uses as much magic as elfman, mira and lisanna put together on her own and she is still standing in front of a mage of rank S a candidate for rank S and lisanna and can still use magic still shows an evolution. Example: satan soul (10%) bete lion elfman (20%) fox spirit (20% magic) and lucy ( two spirits (20%*2+5% stardress). Sertes elfman beat leo, but that doesn't mean he was holding back. Everyone has a different vision in a reading, the one who has a true reading vision and the author.

She did lose at every turn. She used her TRUMP card that didn’t do more than scratch Mira and Elfman. Then Virgo and Loke were tied up and defeated. Then Lucy herself was visibly injured by a few punches... How is that not losing? Is that winning? There’s absolutely nothing to indicate Lucy was using as much MP as the Strausses. She on my has more MP than Lisanna. The fact Lucy’s spirits got one shorted by Skullion and Madmole afterward only makes it worst for Lucy and her power level. Her spirits were taken out by unmanned attacks? Oh wow so strong.

Lucy only is still standing because of The interruption.

We know Elfman held back because he didn’t need to use full power. That’s how fights work. You use appropriate strength for how strong/weak your opponent. Full powered and serious BSS and Lion Soul would destroy Lucy. As in unable to stand.

 

[yutu]

She did lose at every turn. She used her TRUMP card that didn’t do more than scratch Mira and Elfman. Then Virgo and Loke weee tied up and defeated. Then Lucy herself was visibly injured by a few put Che’s How is that not losing? Is that winning? There’s absolutely nothing to indicate Lucy was using as much MP as the Strausses. She on my has more MP than Lisanna. The fact Lucy’s spirits got one shorted by Skullion and Madmole afterward only makes it worst for Lucy and her power level. Her spirits were taken out by unmanned attacks? Oh wow so strong.

Lucy only is still standing because of The interruption.

We know Elfman held back because he didn’t need to use full power. That’s how fights work. You use appropriate strength for how strong/weak your opponent. Full powered and serious BSS and Lion Soul would destroy Lucy. As in unable to stand.

the invocation of leo and virgo + stardress are used at the same time so for me it's only the first round. The percentages were an example to indicate that Lucy has to use more magic than the strauss because she invokes two spirits that absorb the same amount of magic to face 3 individuals who use their magic as for themselves as Lucy uses her magic to feed two spirits and a stardress and yet she is still standing. If you're talking about taurus and gemini, I disagree, we can see in the manga natsu stunned grey or erza in one shot or from behind is what makes him stronger than them I do not think. Then you can tell yourself that skullion defeated gemini because he had the shape of lisanna and his magic power. Or it says that elfman doesn't use his full power, I don't see him writing anywhere. If you're referring to the punch that makes Leo fly and then we see elfman fighting madmole, it doesn't mean he was holding back on Leo and not madmole. We can also see like that leo being lighter than madmol the punch makes him go away but since madmol is heavy (dragon of the armour) the same punch won't move him. I agree that Mirajane is holding back because she said herself that she's not using her real power. But there's nothing to say that elfman was holding back on leo. If mirajane, elfman is holding back, we can also say that lisanna was also holding back. But the white witch said to exterminate the natsu team and we can see it with elfman and lisanna hitting mirajane in the church, the orders are absolute. lisanna said we either exterminate or make them white. If you want to exterminate your opponent or clear him the stupidest choice would be to hold back in a fight. So no sorry but for me elfman doesn't know how to hold back until elfman or one of us says so.

 

[Rigel]

I was thinking. The next arc should be about Selene, maybe it is possible that Lucy's participation is more active and as the dragon needs to be sealed, perhaps the solution is the world of spirits.

That way, Hiro could energize Lucy with a fraction of Selene's power and still solve the dragon's sealing problem. I'm not talking about Lucy receiving a key from Selene, but a Star Dress, a shape representing a fraction of the dragon's power.

There are several explicit cases of spells being donated: Devil Slayer, Igneel Magic etc.

 

[Livinbreathineatin]

the invocation of leo and virgo + stardress are used at the same time so for me it's only the first round. The percentages were an example to indicate that Lucy has to use more magic than the strauss because she invokes two spirits that absorb the same amount of magic to face 3 individuals who use their magic as for themselves as Lucy uses her magic to feed two spirits and a stardress and yet she is still standing. If you're talking about taurus and gemini, I disagree, we can see in the manga natsu stunned grey or erza in one shot or from behind is what makes him stronger than them I do not think. Then you can tell yourself that skullion defeated gemini because he had the shape of lisanna and his magic power. Or it says that elfman doesn't use his full power, I don't see him writing anywhere. If you're referring to the punch that makes Leo fly and then we see elfman fighting madmole, it doesn't mean he was holding back on Leo and not madmole. We can also see like that leo being lighter than madmol the punch makes him go away but since madmol is heavy (dragon of the armour) the same punch won't move him. I agree that Mirajane is holding back because she said herself that she's not using her real power. But there's nothing to say that elfman was holding back on leo. If mirajane, elfman is holding back, we can also say that lisanna was also holding back. But the white witch said to exterminate the natsu team and we can see it with elfman and lisanna hitting mirajane in the church, the orders are absolute. lisanna said we either exterminate or make them white. If you want to exterminate your opponent or clear him the stupidest choice would be to hold back in a fight. So no sorry but for me elfman doesn't know how to hold back until elfman or one of us says so.

Ok so this is bull. By your logic Lucy would use more magic than Gildarts because she has to supply Leo and Virgo with MP. First of all no that’s not how it works.

Don’t try to defend Gemini and Taurus terrible fighting prowess. Doesn’t matter if the attacks came out of nowhere. We’ve literally seen every strong character tank attacks they didn’t expect. Taurus got defeated with a slap.


Have you ever seen Fairytail? Because literally everyone uses appropriate power depending on who they’re fighting. E.g Erza can hold back against Lucy during a fight because she can beat her blindfolded but she had to use all her power against Laxus to even challenge him. E.g Mira didn’t nuke Lucy because she didn’t need to but she had to use it against Skullion because Skullion>>>>>>>>>>>Lucy. Like. I don’t know why everyone is so confused about this......

Lucy cannot and did not push Mira and Elfman during their fight.

 

[Cosmicstar]

Ok so this is bull. By your logic Lucy would use more magic than Gildarts because she has to supply Leo and Virgo with MP. First of all no that’s not how it works.

Don’t try to defend Gemini and Taurus terrible fighting prowess. Doesn’t matter if the attacks came out of nowhere. We’ve literally seen every strong character tank attacks they didn’t expect. Taurus got defeated with a slap.


Have you ever seen Fairytail? Because literally everyone uses appropriate power depending on who they’re fighting. E.g Erza can hold back against Lucy during a fight because she can beat her blindfolded but she had to use all her power against Laxus to even challenge him. E.g Mira didn’t nuke Lucy because she didn’t need to but she had to use it against Skullion because Skullion>>>>>>>>>>>Lucy. Like. I don’t know why everyone is so confused about this......

Lucy cannot and did not push Mira and Elfman during their fight.

Skullion used his ash attack directly on Gemini the same ash Mirajane dodged instead of tanking and the same ash that took Gray out. Madmole hit Taurus with the same attack Mirajane had to defend herself against. Rather if the outcome would have changed had the saw the attacks coming doesn't matter because based on Mirajane dodging the ash and going on the defensive against Madmole slap seems these attacks were powerful enough in which case Mirajane thought she could not tank them head on.

We also have seen unexpected attacks take powerful characters out like Brandish, Jellal, Makarov, etc. Hell Elfman during the Tartarous arc with a surprise attack took limit release Sayla out when Sitri couldn't even compare.

 

[Livinbreathineatin]

Skullion used his ash attack directly on Gemini the same ash Mirajane dodged instead of tanking and the same ash that took Gray out. Madmole hit Taurus with the same attack Mirajane had to defend herself against. Rather if the outcome would have changed had the saw the attacks coming doesn't matter because based on Mirajane dodging the ash and going on the defensive against Madmole slap seems these attacks were powerful enough in which case Mirajane thought she could not tank them head on.

We also have seen unexpected attacks take powerful characters out like Brandish, Jellal, Makarov, etc. Hell Elfman during the Tartarous arc with a surprise attack took limit release Sayla out when Sitri couldn't even compare.

Are you really trying to hype up an unnamed ash attack and a slap? Also the fact Madmole’s slap attack was shrugged off by BSS makes Taurus sound even weaker to me now. It came out of nowhere against Mira ( she couldn’t dodge it) and all that happened was she was pushed back, when Taurus was hit with it he disappeared. Taurus is one of the stronger celestial spirits and he got taken out by an attack BSS literally ignored.... am I supposed to take these spirits seriously? Lol. Also Mira is allowed to dodge attacks if she wants to, you know?

All those characters were taken out by attacks from people of similar strength or stronger. Further proving my point. Skullion‘s unnamed ash move was simply too much for Gemini and Taurus couldn’t handle a slap. The end.

 

[Cosmicstar]

Are you really trying to hype up an unnamed ash attack and a slap? Also the fact Madmole’s slap attack was shrugged off by BSS makes Taurus sound even weaker to me now. It came out of nowhere against Mira ( she couldn’t dodge it) and all that happened was she was pushed back, when Taurus was hit with it he disappeared. Taurus is one of the stronger celestial spirits and he got taken out by an attack BSS literally ignored.... am I supposed to take these spirits seriously? Lol. Also Mira is allowed to dodge attacks if she wants to, you know?

All those characters were taken out by attacks from people of similar strength or stronger. Further proving my point. Skullion‘s unnamed ash move was simply too much for Gemini and Taurus couldn’t handle a slap. The end.

You missed the point. You keep saying unnamed attack like it makes a difference. If Mirajane could tank the same unnamed ash why was she dodging it? Also Mirajane blocked Madmole hit with her arms while Taurus was hit in the head from behind without knowledge. In real life hitting someone from behind in the head would be more dangerous than hitting someone who blocks your attack no matter the strength difference.

 

[Livinbreathineatin]

You missed the point. You keep saying unnamed attack like it makes a difference. If Mirajane could tank the same unnamed ash why was she dodging it? Also Mirajane blocked Madmole hit with her arms while Taurus was hit in the head from behind without knowledge. In real life hitting someone from behind in the head would be more dangerous than hitting someone who blocks your attack no matter the strength difference.

It does make a difference. They were CASUAL attacks. Attacks that require 1% magic. Skullion throwing ash, Madmole slapping people. The way you’re over inflating a slap attack you would think it was a Spriggan level nuke... Also Mira can dodge if she wants to. Why do you want her to take unnecessary damage?

All the panel of Mira shows is she had her hands up, it did not look like a block to me. Even then, all that happened was that she was PUSHED BACK? So in your mind, what do you think that slap would’ve done if she didn’t block (she didn’t block it but you think otherwise). Mira is not Taurus. Taurus and a lot of the other spirits shouldn’t be combatants since they obviously can’t fight smh.

 

[yutu]

It's true Kanna stunned brandish from behind in one shot with 0% magic that shows that kanna is stronger than brandish, lucy, natsu and grey and erza who they were in trouble with brandish or Marin.

 

[Livinbreathineatin]

It's true Kanna stunned brandish from behind in one shot with 0% magic that shows that kanna is stronger than brandish, lucy, natsu and grey and erza who they were in trouble with brandish or Marin.

That was comical and done on purpose by Brandish.

 

[yutu]

Brandish was never intentionally knocked out on purpose. She had no reason to get knocked out. even though it's a comic situation, she's always knocked out by a blow from someone weaker than her because he couldn't see the kanna blow coming like the bull and the Geminis couldn't see the one from Skullion and Madmol. It's not just brandish, Grey erza has a manga moment that they get knocked out in one go.

If you consider that the scene or brandish gets knocked out by kanna as a comic and not as a power scene as you say with taurus and gemini. Then, for taurus we can consider it as comic too because it is beaten in one shot often in the manga that his character lambda or not. Same for The scene with leo and virgo attached is a comic scene so it means no power scale between loki and elfman and madmole is distorted too. Or we can consider that Mashima had taurus and gemini knocked out because Lucy had found the right plan to beat mirajane and elfman. But he felt that some people went to complain if lucy was winning intelligently and no one would criticize that mirajane is demeaning so he interrupted the fight. Kind of like the fight of erza or laxus or people complain because erza lasted longer than they would have liked to see.

Or we can consider that Mashima had the Taurus and Gemini eliminated because Lucy had found the right plan to beat Mirajane and Elfman. But he thought that some people would complain if Lucy won intelligently and that these people would criticize the fact that Mirajane was humiliating, so he interrupted the fight. A bit like the erza or laxus fight where people complain because erza lasted longer than they would have liked.