Fantasy Zoro v Kaido

[nik87]

Enma isn't called Dragon slayer either so why should only one sword have a connection?

Connection to what? We are talking about connection to Orochi and only one sword has it.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Yamata no Orochi is considered both Snake and Dragon.... either one (Kaido or Orochi) can be connected to Oden's other sword and Enma.

And these are loose connections at best....

 

[nik87]

Ame No Habakiri afaik means Snake Slayer and was used to slay Yamata No Orochi in the mythology.
While you can say that both swords have a connection to Kaido, only one sword has a connection to Orochi.
While it definitely isnt preventing Zoro from killing Orochi, it hints that whoever takes Ame will probably be the one who ends Orochi and it makes sense since as a fighter, Orochi still has to show anything that would make him a challenge for Zoro.
Some immortality trick with his DF doesnt make him a challenge, he can never push Zoro to his limits.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Ame No Habakiri afaik means Snake Slayer and was used to slay Yamata No Orochi in the mythology.
While you can say that both swords have a connection to Kaido, only one sword has a connection to Orochi.
While it definitely isnt preventing Zoro from killing Orochi, it hints that whoever takes Ame will probably be the one who ends Orochi and it makes sense since as a fighter, Orochi still has to show anything that would make him a challenge for Zoro.
Some immortality trick with his DF doesnt make him a challenge, he can never push Zoro to his limits.

Snake slayer, in that context, is synonymous with serpent/dragon, but that is directly from the legend and has no bearing on OP obviously.

I'm curious to see the magical properties of Ame no Habakiri as opposed to the magical properties of Enma. It would be odd that 1 was magical and the other not... especially sinc they are a pair.

 

[King Moe]

Yeah...No. It's baffling few think same Zoro who got dropped by Hawkins, Kyoshiro, Gyukimaro (NW Creature), and Kamazou (Nerf Pleasure) will now go beyond from his hype tool status to beating an Yonko himself and ignoring long build hype Oda has put for Luffy vs Kaido for years over a sword and training with it that he hasn't mastered.

Oda have made Luffy want Kaido's 'head'. He has Adv. COA to be able to damage for it and argue with Kidd who will beat Kaido in a fight. Oda wouldn't push this much if someone else will beat Kaido instead. Make zero sense to do swerve like that especially no implications or talks of even Zoro wanting Kaido. All he been talking about is to get Orochi for himself after Yasu's death. Context shows especially his fights he been fighting more Orochi's men than Kaido's men with Kyoshiro and forced Kamazou. Context and writing all build up to him being one to face Orochi overall. If he needs to cut another 'Dragon' then Orochi could be the one since real life an Orochi are called Dragon at times and knowing Oda he use that to push Orochi on that. There is also YCs being Queen or King who DFs are model 'Dragons' so lee way he could face one of them in a fight.

Though do you all think the same man who fainted from one stab by nerf pleasure will now is able to have mutiple fights going through Orochi, Kyoshiro (If he doesn't betrayed and not a spy), Queen or King, and finally beat Kaido in all-out fight? Do anyone see how crazy this sounds? You expect fainting man to power through this and beat the top tiers himself like no problem? Oda is not perfect writer as no one is, but is still have top quality writing among many.

He is very consistent on power-scaling and would not have a character who is under Luffy and never beaten any credible foes to go beyond and be Gary Sue to beat everyone like that. Luffy had trouble facing 2 YCs in WCI and yet Zoro can do more than him and overall? That sounds dumb fanboyism by 'certain users' who would think like that and not Oda's way of writing a character. To say won't be affected by one fight to continue to do all this is illogical to push out.

Oda putting Zoro in logical conclusion and his best will be beating Orochi and maybe Kyoshiro. Though no way he be good to go to facing top tier like Queen or King and then be fine enough to face Kaido in a fight. That is just headcannons of some type of parody show, not what Oda will write about if he making Zoro taking heavy Ls in his past 4 Wano fights to the point he faints.

The excuse of 'Enma' doesn't boost his stats especially Haki gets drain by every use from it and thus make his durability and stamina even worse from it. No way he going in without heavy fighting and heavy injured. He also not gonna cut Kaido just because having it and surpassed Oden when it took 2 blades, not just Enma to scarred him. By that logic Momo will cut him down for having the Ame. Why not hype him then? Plus neither are going to surpassed a man who was former Roger and Whitebeard Pirate member respectively, could clash WB to extend, COC user, who is regarded even by top tiers on his power, and so on. Zoro isn't being above Prime Oden in one arc like that. That be too out there and no sense. Strawhats will eventually surpassed the Roger and Whitebeard Pirates, but not in one arc. Luffy might have better chance surpassing Oden after beat Kaido, but won't be Roger's lvl and PK lvl after the arc either.

In conclusion, the answer is No. Oda's writing and context said only Luffy to be one for Kaido and if he does need someone to fight with him, Kidd and Law are the best choice given Oda explicit state they will fight Kaido too. Zoro won't be the one to beat/kill him, let alone able to scarred him and give major damage. He won't fight him at all and would get trounced easily the moment Kaido sees him. Too much nonsense to be believable after how Zoro been hype tool this arc.

Not being mean or anything, but this is baffling to think Luffy won't be the one to beat Kaido, but his subordinate does his fight for him? Yeah last time I check thus was about a series of Luffy to be Pirate King in the end. He won't get anywhere if he doesn't face them head-on to prove himself worthy for being Pirate King. Enough said.

 

[nik87]

same Zoro who got dropped by Hawkins, Kyoshiro, Gyukimaro

When did Zoro get dropped by these 3?

 

[King Moe]

When did Zoro get dropped by these 3?

Hawkins, Kyoshiro, and Kamazou. He didn't even beat Gyukimaro to prove himself to get Shusui back. He hasn't gotten great performance in this arc. That's a fact.

 

[nik87]

Hawkins, Kyoshiro, and Kamazou. He didn't even beat Gyukimaro to prove himself to get Shusui back. He hasn't gotten great performance in this arc. That's a fact.

You said he got dropped by Hawkins, Kyoshiro, Gyukimaro. Provide manga panels for getting dropped. Thanks.

 

[junjun2]

You should read chapter 952. Zoro easily beat Gyukimaru.
V.S Kyoushirou was tough fight, but remember that Zoro had only 2 swords at that time.

 

[King Moe]

You said he got dropped by Hawkins, Kyoshiro, Gyukimaro. Provide manga panels for getting dropped. Thanks.

Provide where he beat either. He never did.

You should read chapter 952. Zoro easily beat Gyukimaru.
V.S Kyoushirou was tough fight, but remember that Zoro had only 2 swords at that time.

Sitting on your opponent doesn't mean defeat if they push you off afterwards. Same way Luffy didn't defeat Drunk Kaido by pushing him.

Sword numbers is irrelevant. He beat Daz Bones with 1 sword and Zombie Ryuma with 2 Swords. It's the skill, not the numbers.

 

[nik87]

Provide where he beat either. He never did.

Provide what? I didnt claim anything.
You claimed that he was dropped. Any manga panels which can support those claims?

 

[Unita]

It just my wild mind, but i think in this arc not just bigmom but kurohige is here too. So i think this arc more complicate.
Truly i dont think luffy or zoro can defeat kaido alone, it must be teamwork.
I said this bc i remember wci, when luffy defeat katakuri he trying so hard, and katakuri is not yonkou level. If now he can defeat kaido without any help, i will just think kaido is good for nothing. He has a title as king of beast and oda continue said him as unbeatable, if you 1 vs 1 with him, you must be lose.
I agree if not luffy defeat kaido in this arc, so what for his training? In the other side zoro has enma, and he already reach ryuma's legend as a people can cut the dragon but that dont mean he will defeat kaido.
Until now i just can say, luffy prepare to defeat kaido and zoro prepare to defeat orochi, but who know about oda's plan.
He always make me amazed.
For the fight, dont really annoy me, who defeat who, i just enjoy it when that scene come
But I just want to know if zoro really has a tie with wano kuni or that just fan's theory, so what the purpose about zoro being alone and see important people of wano, who usually that must be luffy. And the identity about the traitor.

 

[kkck]

It just my wild mind, but i think in this arc not just bigmom but kurohige is here too. So i think this arc more complicate.
Truly i dont think luffy or zoro can defeat kaido alone, it must be teamwork.
I said this bc i remember wci, when luffy defeat katakuri he trying so hard, and katakuri is not yonkou level. If now he can defeat kaido without any help, i will just think kaido is good for nothing. He has a title as king of beast and oda continue said him as unbeatable, if you 1 vs 1 with him, you must be lose.
I agree if not luffy defeat kaido in this arc, so what for his training? In the other side zoro has enma, and he already reach ryuma's legend as a people can cut the dragon but that dont mean he will defeat kaido.
Until now i just can say, luffy prepare to defeat kaido and zoro prepare to defeat orochi, but who know about oda's plan.
He always make me amazed.
For the fight, dont really annoy me, who defeat who, i just enjoy it when that scene come
But I just want to know if zoro really has a tie with wano kuni or that just fan's theory, so what the purpose about zoro being alone and see important people of wano, who usually that must be luffy. And the identity about the traitor.

I don't think defeating orochi is that big a deal. His fruit is probably tricky in some way but overall orochi does not appear to have any power whatsoever. Orochi's death will definitely have a lot of significance but strength isn't really necessary or important to the fact.

Enma is certainly a good sword but given how things play out in this series odds are that the more important factor to this will be sheer skill. Oden cut kaido but he was also a supremely skillful swordsman who was nigh yonko level. He was at or above kaido's tier back then (though kaido today might be stronger).

As for zoro's ties to wano, I would think this is pretty clear. As in, we have no reason to doubt it. We simply lack the context. Shimotsuki village itself is a huge clue as it is shares a name with one of the most powerful former daimyo families in wano. Add to that zoro resembling ryuma and even ryuma's descendants. One of wano's former daimyo looked like zoro after all. Overall the connection to wano is fairly clear. It's not an issue of IF there is a connection, rather of what exactly it is.

 

[MOYcano 0.23]

I don't think Zoro is able to kill Kaido... yet. But for some reason I think Luffy will use his new powers to defeat BigMom, not Kaido.

 

[M3J]

Who's gonna beat Kaidou? He either has to go down this arc or somehow leave Wano.

For what it's worth though, I still don't think the Straw Hats will kill Kaidou. The only way I can see that happening is if Luffy or Zoro have to use too much power to take him down and end up killing him.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Who's gonna beat Kaidou? He either has to go down this arc or somehow leave Wano.

For what it's worth though, I still don't think the Straw Hats will kill Kaidou. The only way I can see that happening is if Luffy or Zoro have to use too much power to take him down and end up killing him.

I am 99% sure luffy will be the one to finish kaido
Zoro probably will just beat king

 

[nik87]

I am 99% sure luffy will be the one to finish kaido
Zoro probably will just beat king

Faith in the Grandmaster, you must have.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Faith in the Grandmaster, you must have.

You got it wrong brother
I just said that plotwise zoro will take on king
But zoro can still one shot kaido with enma

 

[nik87]

You got it wrong brother
I just said that plotwise zoro will take on king
But zoro can still one shot kaido with enma

King is the minimum he can do, imo. The sword-wank in this arc demands more.

 

[M3J]

I don't think Zoro is able to kill Kaido... yet. But for some reason I think Luffy will use his new powers to defeat BigMom, not Kaido.

I am 99% sure luffy will be the one to finish kaido
Zoro probably will just beat king

Is why I asked him.