Discussion Sanji Discussion Thread

[King Moe]

I'd love Sanji vs Queen. I mean, he'll have to fight a YC soon, as the SH's are so setup to fight the Blackbeard pirates. So he'll have to be at YC level soon enough. The thing i wonder is why he'll fight in BB's crew. I thought Burgess, but he's boring now that we saw Sabo crush him. So maybe Franky can fight him in a wrestling match.

I think Pizarro interests me in a BB crew matchup for Sanji. A The Corrupt King vs the son of a corrupt king. Also from North Blue like Sanji. The only for sure fights are Luffy vs BB, Zoro vs Shiryu, Usop vs Van Auger, Chopper vs Doc Q. Nami vs Lafitte or Catarina. Lafitte is the navigator and sneaky. Catarina is a tricky fighter with her shifting. I can see both, or brook taking Lafitte since he seems to be a fencer as well. So Sanji vs either Pizarro or Burgess, but hopefully Pizarro.

Interesting aspects, but see Sanji vs King more likely given he is only one to stop King from his flying and ground him as well similarities are deeper than others realize. Though am fine Sanji vs Queen as well too as potential the same in him beating the guy who was able to damage BM .

Feel Sanji vs Shiryu given their abilities and he is more Left-Hand Man to BB and Burgess is his Right-Hand given them leading respective 1st and 2nd ships and Zoro would face Burgess for that plus just because he lost doesn't mean he won't get stronger or lost being threat. Didn't happen when Magellan defeated BB and he bounced back easily, so the same for Burgess especially deep theory if he get Diamond fruit from Jozu, then he can be a deep challenge for Zoro to face with in the end.

 

[thedude]

Interesting aspects, but see Sanji vs King more likely given he is only one to stop King from his flying and ground him as well similarities are deeper than others realize. Though am fine Sanji vs Queen as well too as potential the same in him beating the guy who was able to damage BM .

Feel Sanji vs Shiryu given their abilities and he is more Left-Hand Man to BB and Burgess is his Right-Hand given them leading respective 1st and 2nd ships and Zoro would face Burgess for that plus just because he lost doesn't mean he won't get stronger or lost being threat. Didn't happen when Magellan defeated BB and he bounced back easily, so the same for Burgess especially deep theory if he get Diamond fruit from Jozu, then he can be a deep challenge for Zoro to face with in the end.

Shiryu is a swordsman, he fights Zoro, it just fits

(i'm not here for petty Sanji vs Zoro stuff...I shouldn't even respond to this...)

 

[King Moe]

Shiryu is a swordsman, he fights Zoro, it just fits

(i'm not here for petty Sanji vs Zoro stuff...I shouldn't even respond to this...)

Not every time it's theme fight as Oda can make it unpredictable going against something they haven't fought before and I can't see Sanji and Shiryu not interacting when using their invisibility and bumping into each other. They wouldn't let the other get away from ruining their 'other dream'.

(Who said it was about Zoro? Just saying honestly who he face.)

 

[M3J]

Sanji's still not fighting a swordsman, he'll fight a hand-to-hand combatant.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Not every time it's theme fight as Oda can make it unpredictable going against something they haven't fought before and I can't see Sanji and Shiryu not interacting when using their invisibility and bumping into each other. They wouldn't let the other get away from ruining their 'other dream'.

(Who said it was about Zoro? Just saying honestly who he face.)

Let's try to not make this all about zoro, you should stay focus on sanji here

Shiryuu is for zoro. Swordsman vs swordsman. Sanji might fight burgess
Meanwhile, sanji vs kanjuro will be interesting matchup imo. I want to see if the ink rain can be used to detect invisibility

 

[Brandish μ]

Aesthetically, Sanji vs King would be really cool. You'd have The Wildfire vs Diable Jambe, and they both don a slick black suit.

 

[goldb]

Aesthetically, Sanji vs King would be really cool. You'd have The Wildfire vs Diable Jambe, and they both don a slick black suit.

Also the fact that in his zoan form, King can flying so a battle in mid-air wouldn't be disadvantegeous to Sanji. That said, I can't overlook the fact that King is carrying a well designed sword( usually in this series it implies a profficient swordsman), which makes him less suited for Sanji if he were to use it primarly in his hybrid or even human form. Though admittedly it would interesting to see Sanji fight a #2 in an opponent's crew again.

Personally I don't see facing any other Flying Six member other than Page One for a final opponent; as the latter would probably want a rematch.

As for an All-Star, I'm inclined to say Queen. Just based on his only on-screen fight, he seems to like using his zoan abilities and taking advantage of its size and characteristics, which Sanji has experienced before with Page One and Drake too, briefly.

Though I'm still unsure how he( or any other SH) could defeat an All Star without any assistance, considering these guys are supposedlyas tough as Big Mom's Sweet Commanders. I guess this is where we hope to see their true potential showcased. Considering the direction the story is moving, we won't be getting many versus chapters focus on anyone not named Luffy.

 

[thedude]

Aesthetically, Sanji vs King would be really cool. You'd have The Wildfire vs Diable Jambe, and they both don a slick black suit.

I agree on that. I have no opinion on King or Queen, and who each SH should fight. I have suspicion that one or both of Sanji/Zoro will face off against a Tobi Roppo as well. Hard to say this arc. My hope is they fight King and Queen though. Jack has to fight the Minks, they need their revenge. Inu and Neko fighting together this time.

 

[Shasha23]

A mid air battle would be great but alas given Sanji's power level, it would be impossible for him to win such a fight.

After latest chapter im of the mind that Queen and the other Beast Pirates there will fight Luffy and the others and be defeated, the way Zoro and Luffy said Kaido's castle is a the back made it sound like Kaido, King and the others are still far away from the festivities, so i dont see them fighting now.
And since Queen has already been flushed out as a character he really has nothing more to offer at this point, so Apoo, Queen and the rest are getting downed here and now by the supernovas before charging ahead.

That being said, it would leave Sanji to lead the Strawhats to take on the Flying 6, while Robin and Jimbe take on King and Jack fighting the minks with kaido fighting Luffy, Zoro, Kid, Killer and Law while the rest of the scabbards will fight Mimawarigumi and Oniwabanshu before Orochi is the last man standing while he watches everything crumbling down before him.

 

[King Moe]

Sanji's still not fighting a swordsman, he'll fight a hand-to-hand combatant.

He beaten Swordsmen though. He can fight anyone is talk we discussing unless you don't think like Luffy he won't face Kaido anymore cause of having a Club?

 

[nik87]

He beaten Swordsmen though. He can fight anyone is talk we discussing unless you don't think like Luffy he won't face Kaido anymore cause of having a Club?

Gin, Kuroobi, Mr2, Satori, Jabra, Absalom, Wadatsumi. Not a single major opponent of the arc has ever focused on a sword to fight.

 

[King Moe]

Also the fact that in his zoan form, King can flying so a battle in mid-air wouldn't be disadvantegeous to Sanji. That said, I can't overlook the fact that King is carrying a well designed sword( usually in this series it implies a profficient swordsman), which makes him less suited for Sanji if he were to use it primarly in his hybrid or even human form. Though admittedly it would interesting to see Sanji fight a #2 in an opponent's crew again.

Personally I don't see facing any other Flying Six member other than Page One for a final opponent; as the latter would probably want a rematch.

As for an All-Star, I'm inclined to say Queen. Just based on his only on-screen fight, he seems to like using his zoan abilities and taking advantage of its size and characteristics, which Sanji has experienced before with Page One and Drake too, briefly.

Though I'm still unsure how he( or any other SH) could defeat an All Star without any assistance, considering these guys are supposedlyas tough as Big Mom's Sweet Commanders. I guess this is where we hope to see their true potential showcased. Considering the direction the story is moving, we won't be getting many versus chapters focus on anyone not named Luffy.

No point putting PO when even his Hybrid Form was trashed by him early. No sense it being a final fight unless with other Strawhats. That's like saying Luffy will be for Holdem and Zoro for Apoo, Hawkins, or Batman as their Final Opponent due to unfinished business. Oda isn't doing redo of fights when purpose already been done with them for final fight.

King or Queen I am fine either way, but still inclined to King a bit as no one can catch him in the skies like Sanji. The excuse of sword been debunk if you think Sanji and Luffy will stop fighting anyone if they have weapons. That isn't how they work when they faced someone in the end.

Sanji can manage on his own as he easily dominated T6H who are candidates for All Star Position. If so he is more liking to give King or Queen challenging fight solo, but it could be team up fight for each top tier how it might look to be honest as Oda might go for that.

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Gin, Kuroobi, Mr2, Satori, Jabra, Absalom, Wadatsumi. Not a single major opponent of the arc has ever focused on a sword to fight.

Abasolom pierced him with blade and Mr.2 had piercing swan shows that can even damage steel. Jabra has claws that can even compete with Zoro as he needed to defend from being hurt by them. He took on people with sharp and piercing weapons. What Headcannon you on? Zoro has issues defeating those without a weapon like Apoo. By that logic he isn't facing anyone then .

 

[nik87]

Abasolom pierced him with blade and Mr.2 had piercing swan shows that can even damage steel. Jabra has claws that can even compete with Zoro as he needed to defend from being hurt by them. He took on people with sharp and piercing weapons. What Headcannon you on? Zoro has issues defeating those without a weapon like Apoo. By that logic he isn't facing anyone then .

You just confirmed that Sanji didnt beat a single major swordsman. My work is done here.

 

[King Moe]

Let's try to not make this all about zoro, you should stay focus on sanji here

Shiryuu is for zoro. Swordsman vs swordsman. Sanji might fight burgess
Meanwhile, sanji vs kanjuro will be interesting matchup imo. I want to see if the ink rain can be used to detect invisibility

Only talk about Zoro cause someone brought him in. Don't get irritated if others mention him sometime.

Nah we see here he isn't good handling tricky and very strong opponents and Shiryu for Sanji as well Sanji facing Queen or King this arc.

Zoro got Orochi, Kanjiro, and Burgess as how writing goes, so just how it is.

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You just confirmed that Sanji didnt beat a single major swordsman. My work is done here.

He beaten those with weapons even stronger than blades or match them. Also you didn't answer my question. Zoro didn't beat Apoo so he has no right facing deep top tier, right? Thanks for agreeing.

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A mid air battle would be great but alas given Sanji's power level, it would be impossible for him to win such a fight.

After latest chapter im of the mind that Queen and the other Beast Pirates there will fight Luffy and the others and be defeated, the way Zoro and Luffy said Kaido's castle is a the back made it sound like Kaido, King and the others are still far away from the festivities, so i dont see them fighting now.
And since Queen has already been flushed out as a character he really has nothing more to offer at this point, so Apoo, Queen and the rest are getting downed here and now by the supernovas before charging ahead.

That being said, it would leave Sanji to lead the Strawhats to take on the Flying 6, while Robin and Jimbe take on King and Jack fighting the minks with kaido fighting Luffy, Zoro, Kid, Killer and Law while the rest of the scabbards will fight Mimawarigumi and Oniwabanshu before Orochi is the last man standing while he watches everything crumbling down before him.

Nah he can do it especially he doing better job than 'certain someone'. Sanji taking on King or Queen while rest Strawhats will face T6H members. Luffy with Kidd and Law will face Kaido after they take on King or Queen (Who Sanji facing depends on this) and Zoro going for Orochi and Kanjiro as he has more ties of writing with them and lost momentum after Apoo and need to beat Orochi to gain it back with squad that is of course. Make sense on writing scale who they going after is all.

 

[M3J]

He beaten Swordsmen though. He can fight anyone is talk we discussing unless you don't think like Luffy he won't face Kaido anymore cause of having a Club?

Who? I don't remember any high level swordsmen he's beaten, that's usually Zoro.

 

[Shasha23]

Sanji has never beaten a swordsman and the 1 and only time he fought the 2nd strongest of the enemy crew he lost and got his ribs broken by Gin.

And since Sanji has weak CoA there is just no way for him to do anything vs swordsman on the level of commanders, Sanji is still not there yet but will get there with time, i just dont get why people want to pit Sanji against people he has no hope of beating, Sanji's role in this war IMO is to lead the Strawhats vs Kaido's main fighting force the Flying 6.

 

[King Moe]

Who? I don't remember any high level swordsmen he's beaten, that's usually Zoro.

He beaten high lol with weapons though. Luffy never defeat very deep swordsman opponent, but do you think they won't fight anyone like that? Doesn't make sense as they don't care for enemies weapon or not and still beat them.

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Sanji has never beaten a swordsman and the 1 and only time he fought the 2nd strongest of the enemy crew he lost and got his ribs broken by Gin.

And since Sanji has weak CoA there is just no way for him to do anything vs swordsman on the level of commanders, Sanji is still not there yet but will get there with time, i just dont get why people want to pit Sanji against people he has no hope of beating, Sanji's role in this war IMO is to lead the Strawhats vs Kaido's main fighting force the Flying 6.

That was tie fight and they use Zeff as leverage for him to not fight back and he came from fighting Pearl early. Gin would lose in 1 vs 1 fight if it was like that and Zoro hasn't done shit beaten even 2nd Strongest in NW and sometimes pre-timeskip. Wano Arc made him look hype tool for days and latest chapter shows again as he choose to run once serious opponent come to fight again. Zoro getting his opponents being Orochi who he need squad to help beat him. Sanji already defeated T6H and increasion of his COA, so no reason he facing one again as main opponent as King or Queen would want face Soba-Mask given they know about him enough to send T6H. Seeing how they failed, make sense Sanji to face one them instead in the end.

It looks to be from writing who they could face more.

 

[M3J]

You can't even name a swordsman.....

 

[King Moe]

You can't even name a swordsman.....

I did, but now twisting to high class swordsman which even Luffy haven't face one. Are you now saying Luffy and Sanji would run away if come across one despite defeat weapon users in the past?

 

[goldb]

No point putting PO when even his Hybrid Form was trashed by him early. No sense it being a final fight unless with other Strawhats. That's like saying Luffy will be for Holdem and Zoro for Apoo, Hawkins, or Batman as their Final Opponent due to unfinished business. Oda isn't doing redo of fights when purpose already been done with them for final fight.

King or Queen I am fine either way, but still inclined to King a bit as no one can catch him in the skies like Sanji. The excuse of sword been debunk if you think Sanji and Luffy will stop fighting anyone if they have weapons. That isn't how they work when they faced someone in the end.

Sanji can manage on his own as he easily dominated T6H who are candidates for All Star Position. If so he is more liking to give King or Queen challenging fight solo, but it could be team up fight for each top tier how it might look to be honest as Oda might go for that.

We've had this discussion before and you keep mentioning it again, which means we're going around in circle. So I'll just address the newer parts of your post as I have no intention in beating a dead horse.

To answer the bolden part of your post, it's perfectly fine for you to say which you prefer but don't act as if a profficient swordsman wouldn't be a less suitable opponent for Sanji than someone who fights hand to hand (or tail or feet as the case may be). In particular if said swordsman is yonkou commander.

Do you see my point about suitability?

Oda will more often than not write the fight in order to suit each SH's strength, this has always been the case regardless of whether they've fought opponents whose style didn't suit them before (Raisin, Judge, Daifuku's genie, Ikaros, etc).

One of the reasons I doubt Sanji (or any SH right now) can individually defeat an All Star is because we've not seen him be pushed or show his current potential post timeskip, so I'm not confident he can take on an opponent of a level his captain had just struggled to beat in a previous arc with help.