Games Top Ten Game - Interim Round 105: Top 10 Hottest video games female characters

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Schedule

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Interim Round 105
Hottest Female Video Game Characters
Host: @Erinyes

On Hold :
Worst Tropes in Anime/Manga/Light Novel
Host: zimbardo

Note: The schedule could still be changed/re-arranged depending on the hosts' availability.

Spoiler: Reserved Themes

Host:
@Erinyes


Artist Characters


Badass Video Game Characters


Slice of Life Anime/Manga/LN

Host:
@Purity of Magi

Magi Characters

Whey They Cry Characters


Chainsaw Man Characters
Host: @Gajeel


Haikyuu Characters
Host: @Holt


Video Game Characters [Remake]
Host: @Sky


Dads/Father Figures
Host: @z.5


'Big 3' Music Rounds
Host: @Xadyu


Anime Pandas
Host: @Copy Panda

Tokyo Revengers Characters
Host: @Hermit

Spoiler: Past Interim Rounds

Interim Rounds
#01: Animated Shows Host: @Faust
#02: Animes Host: @Faust
#03: Music Bands/Groups Host: @Faust
#04: Music Duos Host: @Faust
#05: Music Artists Host: @Faust
#06: Anime OPs Host: @Faust
#07: Anime EDs Host: @Faust
#08: Anime OSTs Host: @Faust
#09: Anime Fights Host: @Faust
#10: Anime Groups Host: @Faust
#11: Anime Moves Host: @Faust
#12: Anime Duos Host: @Faust
#13: Anime Movies Host: @Faust
#14: Manga Series Host: @Faust
#15: Music Videos Host: @Faust
#16: Animated Movies Host: @Faust
#17: Video Games Host: @Faust
#18: Mangakas Host: @Faust
#19: Manga Characters Who Lived Up to the Hype Host: @Faust
#20: Most Sad Anime Moments Host: @Faust
#21: Anime Senseis Host: @Faust
#22: Video Game Duos Host: @Faust
#23: Anime Leaders Host: @Faust
#24: Anime/Manga/Light Novel Swordwielders Host: @Faust
#25: Anime/Manga/Light Novel Marks(wo)men Host: @Faust
#26: Anime/Manga/Light Novel Athletes Host: @Faust
#27: Video Game Villains Host: @Faust
#28: Animated (Non-Anime) Villains Host: @Faust
#29: Anime/Manga/Light Novel Villains Host: @Faust
#30: Underappreciated Anime Series Host: @Faust
#31: Underappreciated Animated Films Host: @Faust
#32: Anime/Manga/Light Novel Rivals/Archnemeses Host: @Faust
#33: Anime/Manga/Light Novel Romantic Pairings Host: @Faust
#34: Anime/Manga/Light Novel featuring Physical/Mental Disablities/Illness Host: @Faust
#35: Anime Full Soundtrack Host: @Faust
#36: Super Smash Bros. Fighter Suggestions Host: @Faust
#37: Animals Host: zimbardo
#38: Sci-Fi Movies Host: @Faust
#39: Type-Moon Characters Host: @Faust
#40: Countries with Best Cuisine Host: zimbardo
#41: Anime/Manga/Light Novel Characters That You Want To See Go All Out Host: @Faust
#42: Animal Crossing New Horizons Villagers Host: @Ustegius
#43: Dragon Ball Characters Host: @Faust
#44: One Piece Characters Host: @Faust
#45: Naruto Characters Host: @syx
#46: Bleach Characters Host: zimbardo
#47: Female Lead Characters [Anime/Manga/LN/VN] Host: @Brandish μ
#48: Parents/Guardians [Anime/Manga/LN/VN] Host: @Faust
#49: Fullmetal Alchemist Characters Host: @Purity of Magi
#50: Boku no Hero Academia Characters Host: @Hermit
#51: JoJo's Bizarre Adventure Characters Host @GrySun
#52: Secondary Characters [Anime/Manga/LN/VN] Host: @revo
#53: Best Story Arcs [Anime/Manga/LN/VN] Host: @Faust
#54: Kimetsu no Yaiba Characters Host: @revo
#55: Anime Hair Host: @Evil3ye
#56: Gintama Characters Host: @Gryffindor
#57: Black Clover Characters Host: @Juviii
#58: Tensais Host: @Erinyes
#59: Waifus Host: @SirSamuel016
#60: Manga Artworks Host: @revo
#61: Hunter x Hunter Characters Host: @Nii
#62: Yū Yū Hakusho Characters Host: @Faust
#63: Pokémon Host: @Evil3ye
#64: Inspiring Characters Host: @desin24
#65: Shokugeki no Sōma Characters Host: @Tatsumaki
#66: Shingeki no Kyojin Characters Host: @Farfalla
#67: Stylish Characters Host: @Erinyes
#68: Husbandos Host: @revo
#69: Fairy Tail Characters Host: @Brandish μ
#70: Dr. Stone Characters Host: @Hermit
#71: Jujutsu Kaisen Characters Host: @Nii
#72: Romantic Scenes in Manga(wha) Host: @Erinyes
#73: Brawlers Host: @Faust
#74: Anime OST Composers Hosts: @Farfalla and @MArGi
#75: Video Game+Visual Novel OST Composers Hosts: @Farfalla and @MArGi
#76: Badass Male Characters - Host: @Erinyes
#77: Badass Female Characters - Host: @Erinyes
#78: Nanatsu no Taizai Characters - Host: @Hermit
#79: Manga/LN/VN That Need An Anime - Host: @Brandish μ
#80: Eurovision 2022 - Host: @Riku
#81: Female Mangaka - Host: @Erinyes
#82: Fate Characters - Host: @Nii
#83: Best Character Designs (Male) - Host: @Erinyes
#84: Best Character Designs (Female) - Host: @Erinyes
#85: Annoying Characters - Host: @Evil3ye
#86: Voice Actors (Seiyū) - Host: @Farfalla
#87: Video Game Character Designs (Male) - Host @Erinyes
#88: Video Game Character Designs (Female) - Host @Erinyes
#89: Eurovision 2023 - Host: @Riku
#90: Feel Good Slices of Life Anime/Manga/Light Novel - Host: @Erinyes
#91: Kingdom Characters - Host: @MArGi
#92: Anime OPs (Remake) - Host; @Erinyes

ON HOLD
#??: Worst Tropes in Anime/Manga/Light Novel - Host: @z.5
#??: Massively Multiplayer Online Games (MMOs)
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[Hardy]

Cowboy bebop is so cheap they couldn't afford copy pasted narutos in the background

 

[Faust]

Hmmm..... @Organizized wondering if you have Neji on your list by any chance only just because....

Holy shit. Is there a lawsuit made because of this? Or did Watanabe just let it slide?

 

[Jammin]

Terrible manga to make what case with? I wasn't comparing the content necessarily, outside of the ninja stuff. I just think there's merit to stories having a better chance of not being ruined if they end when they should end. You just have to assume that many authors feel pressured to continue something when it's a hit, and I don't think the average length of a weekly chapter leads to the best developments either. Stories have no room to breath week-to-week and in many cases things are for more enjoyable to read in longer format after the fact, even if it felt like a chore reading it when it was being published. I almost never experience that when reading a monthly series, I just think they're probably paced much better.

No, I get your point. It's just that any comparison of Basilisk and Naruto is like comparing whiskey to milk. They do entirely different things.

But to the point of the weekly shounen format having issues I absolutely agree. Though I'm not sure, in practice, how much it actually effects the odds of the story falling apart. That happens in pretty much every corner of publication. How many novel series fall apart? Most of them right?

And weekly seires do carry the benefits of all that attachment we get to the characters over the amount of time we spend on it. Like if someone tried to do top 10 Basilisk characters I think most peoples response would be. Who cares? And there is a reason for that.

 

[Linali]

None of the humans were wrong though. Hard to feel sorry for something leveling entire villages. He should have just chilled out like Gyuuki.

> levels village
> humans get mad
> attack on ninetails.exe
< 'wtf fam'

Hard to feel sorry for him when he was instantly willing to murder a newborn, instead of making a run for freedom like anyone else would have. Plus it came off as petty for a being who lived for thousands of years to be focused on an inconvenience of 60~ years.

So he was a good boy only around Hagoromo, but the moment old man died he went full exterminator mode out of the blue and started attacking village after village? I'm not saying, he's done right things, because he's not without guilt here, I only mean I understand where his hatred towards humans came from. And I highly doubt it's the matter of 60~ years, it could have lasted longer. If Bijuus weren't treated as ticking bombs/burden (by jinchuurikis) or living power source (by villages), but insted someone tried to look at them as living, feeling beings, their story could be different. Both sides screwed up here - that's how I see the matter.

 

[syx]

I keep telling Hardy he should totally watch Naruto 'cause the hype when I was in uni was so big! Went to movie theaters to watch it even XD
But I wonder if the whole part 1 is worth it, heard many times it goes downhill after the chuunin shiken. Unless part 1 ends right after that, thought there was the whole Orochimaru outcome around it...

--- Double Post Merged, Jun 17, 2020, Original Post Date: Jun 17, 2020 ---

@Hardy

Spoiler

Sorry, I don't like to be the single one to get harrassed to read it :3

There is actually more after the Chuunin Exam, and it is generally well received. I barely read/heard overall negative criticism about P1.

By the way, I don't read BnHA either. No one needs that sleeping pill in her/his life.

T_T
Just to make it clear: My two points go to the Tobi character as was portrayed in his debut, i.e. the dirpy goofy troll who "made a dark organization like Akatsuki slightly lighter", as Kisame had once said. Obito can just f*ck off under a rock.

Why Kishimoto, just WHY?

#TOBI=/=OBITO

I know you specifically told me so in your pm, but the rules were already set, sorry. Separating Obito would have caused not only a headache to me as a host, but also potentially to the participants as well. And unfortunately, Tobi is in fact Obito who just acted differently. It wasn't even some kind of actual split personality. I get where every single of you are coming from, since I enjoyed Tobi like the majority of the readers, but it is like it is. = /

This current round has been far too wholesome and peaceful - how about something to help cleanse the palate?
Top 10 most hated jutsu, perhaps?

I hope I can live up to your expectations with the next entry.

Soon.

--- Double Post Merged, Jun 18, 2020 ---

Can I get a buffer please? Otherwise, the next entry won't look that good. =)

 

[Purity of Magi]

Can I get a buffer please? Otherwise, the next entry won't look that good. =)

Have a nice buffer of Sasuke Lee.

 

[syx]

Note: a small mistake in the ranking slipped in. But no worries, the order and points of the revealed characters are still correct. The only change is that everyone revealed so far got one rank poorer.

e.g.: Karin+Obito moved from rank 27-28 to 28-29, Kurama+Kakuzu from 29-30 to 30-31, and so on. I already updated all entries.
Thank you Excel. (yeah, yeah… the user of the programm is usually at fault)

> Rank 27 <
22 Points

Sarutobi, Hiruzen - Sandaime Hokage
@Ustegius (7) @Jammin (5) @BlackTiger (4) @Gajeel (4) @Kiki (1) @Sachsenhesse (1)​

I will take a break, and post the next batch some time later today. As you can see from the wall of text below, I have a lot of bad things to say about Hiruzen. It is only fair to give his fanbase a chance to counterattack (and shit on me) without discussions getting mixed up due to further ranking entries. =)

Host-mode off:
Kishimoto did this character so wrong. Like really really wrong. The more stuff got revealed, the worse Hiruzen looked. And that is very sad, since he started as a likeable, and badass Hokage. Today, he is the weakest - from power level and character pov - Hokage in this series.

The way he treated (or didn't) Naruto is plain horrible. People try to defend him, telling it would have been too dangerous because of potential enemies, but I seriously don't understand this sentiment. Naruto was not only the son of the Hokage who died protecting the village (which Hizuren would have failed to do so by the way), Naruto was also Konoha's weapon/nuke. It was Hiruzen's responsibility to properly take care of Naruto. In what way, that is an entire different matter, but that little he did doesn't even come close to what I would have expected. If I were Minato or Kushina, I probably would never look into Hizuren's eyes again. As one of the supreme leaders of the village, he had all the power and influence to guarantee Naruto a wholesome life without shouting to the world: 'LOOK BOYS THIS IS MINATO NAMIKAZE’S SON, THE KYUUBI JINCHUURIKI, COME AND GET HIM!'. If a Hokage is unable to do this much, then he is not fit to be a Hokage.

Moreover, if Naruto wasn't the main character or the series wasn't a shonen, then I don't want to imagine what would've happened if Naruto would let Kurama do as he pleases because of how shitty he was treated. There would be no Minato to save the village's/Hiruzen's ass this time. Only Guy, whom we would also lose then… just imagine… ugh...

With the revelation of the Uzumaki Clan, the whole plan to keep a low profile in regards to Naruto's persona was actually blown off, lol.

Not to mention that no one keeps it a secret that Asuma was Hiruzen's son and Konohamaru his grandson, so I don't get this 'low profile' stuff anyway. Was Minato the only Konoha shinobi with enemies? Was Hiruzen best friends with every non-Konoha shinobi? Who understands this mess? This is such a moot point considering that enemies are everywhere in this story. Do I need to point out that Hinata and Kushina were almost kidnapped by Kumogakure? Such threats are always there. You have to deal with it.

This is just one of the reasons I dislike Hiruzen. But there is more, unfortunately (as if the whole Naruto ordeal was not enough).

Hiruzen is a character with no resolve, and no backbone whatsoever. He literally let Danzou do as he pleases, and posed little to no hindrance. The best Hiruzen could do is 'uhm… please don't do dis, Danzou-chan, tyvm'. No consequence and/or no awareness of his environment, even though he should know Danzou the best. I can hardly imagine Danzou having such an easy time with people like Minato, Kakashi, Shikaku or Guy at Hiruzen's position. I will leave Itachi out of this, since Danzou would automatically flee from the village, lmao.

That was enough you think? Oh, my poor summerchilds. There is more. In my eyes, Hiruzen is primary responsible for the whole Uchiha massacre. I will skip the whole Uchiha x Konoha/discrimination story, since a lot of stuff doesn't really make sense there. As far as I can tell, most of the issues could have been resolved with a couple of Hiruzen's and Fugaku's brain cells, and with Shisui or Itachi as the future bridge/Hokage. But yeah, it was more comfortable to let a teenage boy do the dirty work, let him commit genocide on his own clan including elderly people and infants! This passive and inconsequent nature of Hiruzen drives me crazy. Even if the manga tries to sell us that he tried everything in his might to avoid this, nothing in the manga looks like that, Kishimoto failed to authentically convey it to me. As someone who is praised to such a degree, I expected much more of him. Each further revelation in the story made him look worse.

Last but not least. Let's take a short excursus to power levels. Hiruzen's fight against Orochimaru was awesome, there is no doubt about it. But in the grand scheme of things, he pales hard compared to the others. Even after being Edo-Tenseid, Kishimoto still made him throw shurikens at the Jyuubi Jinchuuriki. Arigatou gozaimasu for this display, Kishimoto-sensei. Hiruzen would probably lose against most capable Jonins ffs.

I'm sorry if any of you feel offended by my post. You are free to report me to the higher-ups, I won't take it amiss.

 

[z.5]

Have a nice buffer of Sasuke Lee.

Lee?

 

[Purity of Magi]

Lee?

Bruce Lee + Sasuke Uchiha = Sasuke Lee/Bruce Uchiha xP


EDIT: You derp shit Magi. Go to the corner for making that mistake.

 

[z.5]

Bruce Lee + Sasuke Uchiha = Sasuke Lee/Bruce Uchiha xP

Bruce Lee?

Goodness me - seems you might be [mistakenly] half correct
Never realised how similar Conan Lee looks like Jackie Chan in Ninja, in The Dragon's Den

 

[Purity of Magi]

Bruce Lee?

Let's pretend I never said something with my derp moments

 

[lakhan220]

Sux...cause he showed real Sarutobi genius.
What a waste.... @lakhan220 agreed?

Maybe he is higher ?

None of the humans were wrong though. Hard to feel sorry for something leveling entire villages. He should have just chilled out like Gyuuki.

Actually tht started later and humans tried capturing bijuus first, even as clans.

Hard to feel sorry for him when he was instantly willing to murder a newborn, instead of making a run for freedom like anyone else would have. Plus it came off as petty for a being who lived for thousands of years to be focused on an inconvenience of 60~ years.

1-He could not have run away due to the barrier made , reinforced by kushina
2- He attacked new child because he saw minato summon the sealing altar.
And, not really just inconvenience of 60+ years, as u know, he gathers hatred, since hagoromo's death, multiple attempts were made by various clans to capture them. Success only came later in time of senju hashirama.

So he was a good boy only around Hagoromo, but the moment old man died he went full exterminator mode out of the blue and started attacking village after village? I'm not saying, he's done right things, because he's not without guilt here, I only mean I understand where his hatred towards humans came from. And I highly doubt it's the matter of 60~ years, it could have lasted longer. If Bijuus weren't treated as ticking bombs/burden (by jinchuurikis) or living power source (by villages), but insted someone tried to look at them as living, feeling beings, their story could be different. Both sides screwed up here - that's how I see the matter.

Definitely not right things, but it was not same for 1000 years too. After hagoromo's death and multiple clan emergence, time and time again, attempts were made to capture bijuus, success came much later. Even hagoromo had said tht when he appeared. he wanted them to be used for balancing things, but they were only seen as power source, were hated and people have tried ca[turing them since ancient times. Even chiyo had said tht. Throughout centuries, sealing jutsus were perfected enough to capture and seal bijuus.

Note: a small mistake in the ranking slipped in. But no worries, the order and points of the revealed characters are still correct. The only change is that everyone revealed so far got one rank poorer.

e.g.: Karin+Obito moved from rank 27-28 to 28-29, Kurama+Kakuzu from 29-30 to 30-31, and so on. I already updated all entries.
Thank you Excel. (yeah, yeah… the user of the programm is usually at fault)

> Rank 27 <
22 Points

Sarutobi, Hiruzen - Sandaime Hokage
@Ustegius (7) @Jammin (5) @BlackTiger (4) @Gajeel (4) @Kiki (1) @Sachsenhesse (1)​

I will take a break, and post the next batch some time later today. As you can see from the wall of text below, I have a lot of bad things to say about Hiruzen. It is only fair to give his fanbase a chance to counterattack (and shit on me) without discussions getting mixed up due to further ranking entries. =)

Host-mode off:
Kishimoto did this character so wrong. Like really really wrong. The more stuff got revealed, the worse Hiruzen looked. And that is very sad, since he started as a likeable, and badass Hokage. Today, he is the weakest - from power level and character pov - Hokage in this series.

The way he treated (or didn't) Naruto is plain horrible. People try to defend him, telling it would have been too dangerous because of potential enemies, but I seriously don't understand this sentiment. Naruto was not only the son of the Hokage who died protecting the village (which Hizuren would have failed to do so by the way), Naruto was also Konoha's weapon/nuke. It was Hiruzen's responsibility to properly take care of Naruto. In what way, that is an entire different matter, but that little he did doesn't even come close to what I would have expected. If I were Minato or Kushina, I probably would never look into Hizuren's eyes again. As one of the supreme leaders of the village, he had all the power and influence to guarantee Naruto a wholesome life without shouting to the world: 'LOOK BOYS THIS IS MINATO NAMIKAZE’S SON, THE KYUUBI JINCHUURIKI, COME AND GET HIM!'. If a Hokage is unable to do this much, then he is not fit to be a Hokage.

Moreover, if Naruto wasn't the main character or the series wasn't a shonen, then I don't want to imagine what would've happened if Naruto would let Kurama do as he pleases because of how shitty he was treated. There would be no Minato to save the village's/Hiruzen's ass this time. Only Guy, whom we would also lose then… just imagine… ugh...

With the revelation of the Uzumaki Clan, the whole plan to keep a low profile in regards to Naruto's persona was actually blown off, lol.

Not to mention that no one keeps it a secret that Asuma was Hiruzen's son and Konohamaru his grandson, so I don't get this 'low profile' stuff anyway. Was Minato the only Konoha shinobi with enemies? Was Hiruzen best friends with every non-Konoha shinobi? Who understands this mess? This is such a moot point considering that enemies are everywhere in this story. Do I need to point out that Hinata and Kushina were almost kidnapped by Kumogakure? Such threats are always there. You have to deal with it.

This is just one of the reasons I dislike Hiruzen. But there is more, unfortunately (as if the whole Naruto ordeal was not enough).

Hiruzen is a character with no resolve, and no backbone whatsoever. He literally let Danzou do as he pleases, and posed little to no hindrance. The best Hiruzen could do is 'uhm… please don't do dis, Danzou-chan, tyvm'. No consequence and/or no awareness of his environment, even though he should know Danzou the best. I can hardly imagine Danzou having such an easy time with people like Minato, Kakashi, Shikaku or Guy at Hiruzen's position. I will leave Itachi out of this, since Danzou would automatically flee from the village, lmao.

That was enough you think? Oh, my poor summerchilds. There is more. In my eyes, Hiruzen is primary responsible for the whole Uchiha massacre. I will skip the whole Uchiha x Konoha/discrimination story, since a lot of stuff doesn't really make sense there. As far as I can tell, most of the issues could have been resolved with a couple of Hiruzen's and Fugaku's brain cells, and with Shisui or Itachi as the future bridge/Hokage. But yeah, it was more comfortable to let a teenage boy do the dirty work, let him commit genocide on his own clan including elderly people and infants! This passive and inconsequent nature of Hiruzen drives me crazy. Even if the manga tries to sell us that he tried everything in his might to avoid this, nothing in the manga looks like that, Kishimoto failed to authentically convey it to me. As someone who is praised to such a degree, I expected much more of him. Each further revelation in the story made him look worse.

Last but not least. Let's take a short excursus to power levels. Hiruzen's fight against Orochimaru was awesome, there is no doubt about it. But in the grand scheme of things, he pales hard compared to the others. Even after being Edo-Tenseid, Kishimoto still made him throw shurikens at the Jyuubi Jinchuuriki. Arigatou gozaimasu for this display, Kishimoto-sensei. Hiruzen would probably lose against most capable Jonins ffs.

I'm sorry if any of you feel offended by my post. You are free to report me to the higher-ups, I won't take it amiss.

Well, agreed to most since most of it is true, except he did keep an eye on naruto indirectly and time and time again every month visited him to give him allowances + yes, tht protection thing is a bit of weak reason, but also, the info abt him being JIN was passed by danzo so tht the hatred tht arose after kyuubi attack could be diverted and focused on something else, because eventually, if not, it would bring questions on village administration and his ANBU too. So , he was the one who leaked the info , but hiruzen shld have known tht being friend of danzo and prevented tht + Sure, i would not blame hiruzen alone for genocide, but also tobirama , whose policies encouraged the behavior of danzo and gave him the methods and sources to justify it and get tht upvote from the team of koharu and homura.

But , yep, u r right on tht front tht it took way a lot of hiruzen's points since as hokage, he could have defied the decisions despite being outclassed by 3 to 1. Temporarily at least. But would give him credits tht due to him, gens were raised where the influence of the committee was severely reduced like u saw during pain invasion.

Even Itachi had complaints tht how a hokage who is strong and take hard decisions easily, even if it means turning people against him could be so weak when the genocide decision was taken or for tht matter, can't even bring danzo to justice for what he did to shisui in itachi shinden. Yes, hiruzen knew what happened to shisui and also danzo had his eye.He was updated on the whole event.

 

[Riku]

Well I judged Hiruzen by part 1. All those flaws really stem from Kishimoto not thinking back on (or planning ahead) if his plot writing actually made any sense. That applies to too many of his characters

I liked him for what he was pre-time skip. His funeral was the first time I ever cried while watching anime.

 

[Organizized]

Holy shit. Is there a lawsuit made because of this? Or did Watanabe just let it slide?

Reacted the same way when I first saw it but I read some years ago that these two sequences are animated by the same animator, and the whole thing is a direct homage to a specific Bruce Lee scene... can't remember which though...

--- Double Post Merged, Jun 18, 2020, Original Post Date: Jun 18, 2020 ---

Hmmm..... @Organizized wondering if you have Neji on your list by any chance only just because....

Never watched the anime, but I have seen that clip before. That fight in Bebop is just unhhhhhh. I mean, the Naruto one looks good too.

Might still have picked Neji, though, who knows?



spoilers

 

[Farfalla]

Zimbu, will your username end up as "z"?

 

[Purity of Magi]

Zimbu, will your username end up as "z"?

Hahaha that's what I was thinking also XD

 

[syx]

This didn't turn out like I wanted. lakhan mostly agrees, Ust based his points on part 1 (thus those points are legit, Hiruzen was great in P1)...

Not even a touch of salt to be found.

I wanted to instigate people getting banned...

 

[Kiki]

Zimbu, will your username end up as "z"?

zimbar sounds like a choco bar brand

 

[z.5]

Zimbu, will your username end up as "z"?

Spoiler: Hoo knows

More importantly, who I gotta stab to see the next ninja in this list?!?

 

[Jammin]

Note: a small mistake in the ranking slipped in. But no worries, the order and points of the revealed characters are still correct. The only change is that everyone revealed so far got one rank poorer.

e.g.: Karin+Obito moved from rank 27-28 to 28-29, Kurama+Kakuzu from 29-30 to 30-31, and so on. I already updated all entries.
Thank you Excel. (yeah, yeah… the user of the programm is usually at fault)

> Rank 27 <
22 Points

Sarutobi, Hiruzen - Sandaime Hokage
@Ustegius (7) @Jammin (5) @BlackTiger (4) @Gajeel (4) @Kiki (1) @Sachsenhesse (1)​

I will take a break, and post the next batch some time later today. As you can see from the wall of text below, I have a lot of bad things to say about Hiruzen. It is only fair to give his fanbase a chance to counterattack (and shit on me) without discussions getting mixed up due to further ranking entries. =)

Host-mode off:
Kishimoto did this character so wrong. Like really really wrong. The more stuff got revealed, the worse Hiruzen looked. And that is very sad, since he started as a likeable, and badass Hokage. Today, he is the weakest - from power level and character pov - Hokage in this series.

The way he treated (or didn't) Naruto is plain horrible. People try to defend him, telling it would have been too dangerous because of potential enemies, but I seriously don't understand this sentiment. Naruto was not only the son of the Hokage who died protecting the village (which Hizuren would have failed to do so by the way), Naruto was also Konoha's weapon/nuke. It was Hiruzen's responsibility to properly take care of Naruto. In what way, that is an entire different matter, but that little he did doesn't even come close to what I would have expected. If I were Minato or Kushina, I probably would never look into Hizuren's eyes again. As one of the supreme leaders of the village, he had all the power and influence to guarantee Naruto a wholesome life without shouting to the world: 'LOOK BOYS THIS IS MINATO NAMIKAZE’S SON, THE KYUUBI JINCHUURIKI, COME AND GET HIM!'. If a Hokage is unable to do this much, then he is not fit to be a Hokage.

Moreover, if Naruto wasn't the main character or the series wasn't a shonen, then I don't want to imagine what would've happened if Naruto would let Kurama do as he pleases because of how shitty he was treated. There would be no Minato to save the village's/Hiruzen's ass this time. Only Guy, whom we would also lose then… just imagine… ugh...

With the revelation of the Uzumaki Clan, the whole plan to keep a low profile in regards to Naruto's persona was actually blown off, lol.

Not to mention that no one keeps it a secret that Asuma was Hiruzen's son and Konohamaru his grandson, so I don't get this 'low profile' stuff anyway. Was Minato the only Konoha shinobi with enemies? Was Hiruzen best friends with every non-Konoha shinobi? Who understands this mess? This is such a moot point considering that enemies are everywhere in this story. Do I need to point out that Hinata and Kushina were almost kidnapped by Kumogakure? Such threats are always there. You have to deal with it.

This is just one of the reasons I dislike Hiruzen. But there is more, unfortunately (as if the whole Naruto ordeal was not enough).

Hiruzen is a character with no resolve, and no backbone whatsoever. He literally let Danzou do as he pleases, and posed little to no hindrance. The best Hiruzen could do is 'uhm… please don't do dis, Danzou-chan, tyvm'. No consequence and/or no awareness of his environment, even though he should know Danzou the best. I can hardly imagine Danzou having such an easy time with people like Minato, Kakashi, Shikaku or Guy at Hiruzen's position. I will leave Itachi out of this, since Danzou would automatically flee from the village, lmao.

That was enough you think? Oh, my poor summerchilds. There is more. In my eyes, Hiruzen is primary responsible for the whole Uchiha massacre. I will skip the whole Uchiha x Konoha/discrimination story, since a lot of stuff doesn't really make sense there. As far as I can tell, most of the issues could have been resolved with a couple of Hiruzen's and Fugaku's brain cells, and with Shisui or Itachi as the future bridge/Hokage. But yeah, it was more comfortable to let a teenage boy do the dirty work, let him commit genocide on his own clan including elderly people and infants! This passive and inconsequent nature of Hiruzen drives me crazy. Even if the manga tries to sell us that he tried everything in his might to avoid this, nothing in the manga looks like that, Kishimoto failed to authentically convey it to me. As someone who is praised to such a degree, I expected much more of him. Each further revelation in the story made him look worse.

Last but not least. Let's take a short excursus to power levels. Hiruzen's fight against Orochimaru was awesome, there is no doubt about it. But in the grand scheme of things, he pales hard compared to the others. Even after being Edo-Tenseid, Kishimoto still made him throw shurikens at the Jyuubi Jinchuuriki. Arigatou gozaimasu for this display, Kishimoto-sensei. Hiruzen would probably lose against most capable Jonins ffs.

I'm sorry if any of you feel offended by my post. You are free to report me to the higher-ups, I won't take it amiss.

I'm not offended @syx. In fact, I agree with all of this. Why he made my list is because he is a microcosm of the good and bad of Naruto.

Take him in part 1 for example. His battle in the Chunnin exam is amazing. If you just isolate that part of the story from the rest of it. He is a great charater. A nice mix of light hearted and serious with the stuff between him and his sense responsibility for the monster Orochimaru became adding real depth and flaws. As the series was defiled by Kishi's retconning. Hiruzen was similarly defiled. He did things that made no sense given the established character until by the end there is nothing left of that original character. But that original idea for that character was so good. Even if his fate was to be treated like Luke Skywalker in The Last Jedi.

So yeah, I like the character, and I'm salty as hell about what Kishi did to him with his bad retconning. I'm salty as hell about what he did to every character on my list.