One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[thedude]

You didnt think you will see wank of a major character whose one and only purpose is to be the strongest? What did you expect, cooking skills?


Learn to handle sword wank because it isnt going anywhere and it will get even more intense.
We have yet to get to black blades and Zoro vs Mihawk may as well be the last fight of the manga.
I have said at start of Wano that this arc wont be easy for Zoro downplayers and I wasnt wrong.

Dude, we aren't even discussing him, we are discussing Garp. You just have zero ability to join in any conversation without making it about Zoro. No one hear is having a hard time with Zoro and Wano. We...just aren't talking about him because we are talking about other things.

And nice not even giving an excuse of how you just used one argument (we don't know if others helped Roger and Garp), and used the exact opposite in the other thread (Cracker only used his sword 3 times, and he didn't use it at all in the hours of fighting Oda didnt show us).

That's why I don't take you seriously at all.

 

[nik87]

Dude, we aren't even discussing him, we are discussing Garp. You just have zero ability to join in any conversation without making it about Zoro. No one hear is having a hard time with Zoro and Wano. We...just aren't talking about him because we are talking about other things.

And nice not even giving an excuse of how you just used one argument (we don't know if others helped Roger and Garp), and used the exact opposite in the other thread (Cracker only used his sword 3 times, and he didn't use it at all in the hours of fighting Oda didnt show us).

That's why I don't take you seriously at all.

I was discussing Garp just fine but then you couldnt wait to make it about Zoro the moment AmiDS mentioned it.
I stand by my claims that swords>hands, you are the one who makes it about Zoro. Garp hasnt shown on panel feats to make me think differently.
No one has. The most durable body in one piece, belonging to WSC himself, was cut up like butter by a swordsman.
What are you even arguing after such hard evidence? It can only be your insecurity about Zoro, no need to pin that down on me.

Cracker, on panel, has used his sword 3 times. Am I wrong about that?
According to news, Law and Strawhat have teamed up to take down Doflamingo. Has there been other players in that scenario?
Do you have evidence that nobody else aside from Garp and Roger has fought the Rocks crew? Did Roger teleport to God Valley or he came by a ship which brought someone else along with him? Has Garp teleported to God Valley or he came with ship which had someone else along with him?
Whitebeard alone is perfectly capable of stalemating Roger and you think Garp alone took out Rocks and all others? You gotta be joking lmao.

 

[Ramen]

BB would probably beat them in a fight. His DF gives him an upper hand, and he was able to injure Shanks before he got a DF, something not even Mihawk could do.

That's why I like BB's character, and why i think he confuses others. He isn't a coward. He is a planner. But when he fights, he's a beast. I don't think Akainu without the ability to use his DF is beating him. BB just flees the scene because it's not in his interest to fight.

Mihawk is overrated on these boards because of swordboi's, but in the manga, he's properly rated. Only willing to test his strengh vs WB from a few hundred feet away, and then being casually stopped by one of WB's commanders. I think he's high tier YC at his best. Which is really strong. But I put Doflamingo at that level as well. Neither is in the conversation with Yonkos and Admirals I think.

But when BB and Shanks fought, it was to kill. Mihawk and Shanks never fought with that intent.

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Black blade wielder - Mihawk, hands down.

Yea.....no.

 

[thedude]

I was discussing Garp just fine but then you couldnt wait to make it about Zoro the moment AmiDS mentioned it.
I stand by my claims that swords>hands, you are the one who makes it about Zoro. Garp hasnt shown on panel feats to make me think differently.
No one has. The most durable body in one piece, belonging to WSC himself, was cut up like butter by a swordsman.
What are you even arguing after such hard evidence? It can only be your insecurity about Zoro, no need to pin that down on me.

Cracker, on panel, has used his sword 3 times. Am I wrong about that?
According to news, Law and Strawhat have teamed up to take down Doflamingo. Has there been other players in that scenario?
Do you have evidence that nobody else aside from Garp and Roger has fought the Rocks crew? Did Roger teleport to God Valley or he came by a ship which brought someone else along with him? Has Garp teleported to God Valley or he came with ship which had someone else along with him?
Whitebeard alone is perfectly capable of stalemating Roger and you think Garp alone took out Rocks and all others? You gotta be joking lmao.

"I'm going to ignore the manga when I see fit as long as I can still be swordboi for life". Boring. That's all I can say about debating with you. I can turn it around "you saw minutes of the fight via Oda's drawings, and in those brief minutes, Cracker used his sword 3 times. Do you think he didn't use it at all for the hours and hours the fight lasted? Really? You gotta be joking lmao"

So Oda can say "Roger and Garp teamed up to defeat the Rox pirates". He can show a panel, with just Roger and Garp. He doesn't ever say "the Roger pirates and Garp". Only "Roger and Garp". But somehow...you know better than Oda lol.

And Sengoku in that same speech says that Garp rejected the title of Admiral all the time because he hated the Celestial Dragons. The marines would promote a weaponless, Devil Fruit-less man to their top rank? How silly of them! Don't they know a guy with a sword will beat him!!!!

Garp is strong. He doesn't have a sword. Luffy is going to be the strongest. He doesn't have any weapon either. Deal with it. Lol, you really have to know this is how the manga is going to go right? It's not Zoro's story. It's Luffy. The unarmed rubber boy.

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But when BB and Shanks fought, it was to kill. Mihawk and Shanks never fought with that intent.

--- Double Post Merged, Jun 24, 2020, Original Post Date: Jun 24, 2020 ---

Yea.....no.

They were fighting with Swords though, so accidents happen. And some use this set of duels to say a certain Hawkeye is stronger than a Yonko, which i still find absolutely crazy.

BB is crazy strong. He hides his strength until he needs to use it.

 

[Ramen]

"I'm going to ignore the manga when I see fit as long as I can still be swordboi for life". Boring. That's all I can say about debating with you. I can turn it around "you saw minutes of the fight via Oda's drawings, and in those brief minutes, Cracker used his sword 3 times. Do you think he didn't use it at all for the hours and hours the fight lasted? Really? You gotta be joking lmao"

So Oda can say "Roger and Garp teamed up to defeat the Rox pirates". He can show a panel, with just Roger and Garp. He doesn't ever say "the Roger pirates and Garp". Only "Roger and Garp". But somehow...you know better than Oda lol.

And Sengoku in that same speech says that Garp rejected the title of Admiral all the time because he hated the Celestial Dragons. The marines would promote a weaponless, Devil Fruit-less man to their top rank? How silly of them! Don't they know a guy with a sword will beat him!!!!

Garp is strong. He doesn't have a sword. Luffy is going to be the strongest. He doesn't have any weapon either. Deal with it. Lol, you really have to know this is how the manga is going to go right? It's not Zoro's story. It's Luffy. The unarmed rubber boy.

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They were fighting with Swords though, so accidents happen. And some use this set of duels to say a certain Hawkeye is stronger than a Yonko, which i still find absolutely crazy.

BB is crazy strong. He hides his strength until he needs to use it.

People on ig tryna tell me Mihawk is above Yonko or some shit like that. Mihawk is between YC and Admiral.

 

[thedude]

People on ig tryna tell me Mihawk is above Yonko or some shit like that. Mihawk is between YC and Admiral.

I'd put him below Admiral for sure. Admirals have no issue taking WB on directly, Mihawk was "let me test how far ahead he is from 200 yards away". For sure YC level though.

 

[Ramen]

I'd put him below Admiral for sure. Admirals have no issue taking WB on directly, Mihawk was "let me test how far ahead he is from 200 yards away". For sure YC level though.

Definitely. Though I'd say Beckmann or maybe even Katakuri beats him.

 

[Nie Li]

I'd put him below Admiral for sure. Admirals have no issue taking WB on directly, Mihawk was "let me test how far ahead he is from 200 yards away". For sure YC level though.

Mihawk just threw a casual attack from where he was standing. We know he's no coward, he's just an impulsive character that acts out of curiosity and boredom. Just remember how he traveled half the world out of Grand Line just to chase Krieg "because he had nothing else to do", and Zeff suspected his reasons might just be that "Krieg may have woke him up from his nap". Mihawk's very serious, yet very carefree, it's not out of character for him to simply not directly chase Whitebeard's head, and there's no reason to think Mihawk can't slice Jozu up if he attacks him with the intent to do so.

There are some other very interesting facts about Mihawk:

- As some have said, Luffy will become the strongest pirate by the end of the story. Zoro will become his Rayleigh; someone who's easily above admiral level even while old and retired for years, so undeniably close to Roger's own level. Zoro's final opponent will be Mihawk; Mihawk has to be a bigger obstacle than just an admiral for the fight to be interesting unless Zoro remains at an overwhelmingly weaker level than Luffy's.

- Speaking of Rayleigh: he doesn't have a DF and he's strictly a swordsman of the same kind Zoro and Mihawk are, so he's living proof of pure swordsmen reaching Yonkou-like levels. We don't know why he's not the world strongest's swordsman since we haven't been told the story behind that title just yet, but we know that Mihawk's in possession of that title and not Rayleigh nor Shanks. That's enough to suspect Mihawk is very easily at least above admiral level.

- Zoro has still got a long way to go until he becomes the world's strongest swordsman, yet he has accumulated his fair share of injuries along the way. Just four of the many scars he could have gotten have remained, but look at Mihawk. Mihawk has been fighting since he was a child and has reached the very top of swordsmanship, yet he's shirtless all the time and bears not a single visible scar. Not only that: we have never even seen Mihawk make a worried face. We haven't even seen him grind his teeth (he did in the anime against Jinbei but not in all of the manga). He's always just nonchalant, serious and almost looks bored.


Mihawk has no feat at all so far to seriously discuss his actual strength, but there are plenty hints in the manga of him being possibly Yonkou-level in a 1vs1. However, he could never be "as strong as a Yonkou" since Yonkou's strength was literally mentioned in the manga as not simply how strong they are in a 1vs1 but how huge their crews and territories are. Mihawk is a complete loner and doesn't even have a crew, so he will never be able to compete in that field, but now that the marines have turned on the Shichibukai and even admirals have been deployed against them, we will see just how strong Mihawk truly is (or isn't). Let's just wait until Wano is over first, I guess.

 

[AmitDS]

No, Garp has never been hyped as Roger's equal, that was Whitebeard who is also a weapon user.
Garp, on the other hand, needed Sengoku's help to take down one swordsman just like he needed Roger's against Rocks.

It is not about Zoro and swordsmen, it is about common sense of sword>hand. Whoever is equaling those two knows nothing of power scaling and combat.
If hands were equal to swords, nobody would be using swords or any other type of weapons. Ask yourself, what is the main reason people use weapons...

1) Garp, along with Sengoku, was the only marine Roger thought worth his time before finding entertainment with WB.
2) Garp and Roger fought one another numerous times over the years, according to Roger himself. There was no known 'winner'.
3) Garp was the only one known for cornering Roger many times.
4) Garp and Roger teamed up to defeat Rocks and it's portrayed as an equal partnership, not Roger and his sidekick.
5) Whitebeard was called the only man to equal Roger many chapters before we knew anything about Garp being linked to Roger.

Sword vs hand is a very superficial and simplistic way to frame this. Obviously a sword is sharp and it would cut someone's hand. However this isn't the case with One Piece where people have superhuman strength, insane martial arts and reflexes AND not to mention, something called Haki. The reason people use different weapons and fighting styles is because this isn't a manga strictly about samurai or MMA fighting; people use different fighting styles and weapon choices, not because one is superior to the other, but because battle manga always have diversity in terms of fighting styles and characters. So this is a REACH reach.

Furthermore, in real life guns > hands and swords so Yassopp > Mihawk > Garp by your logic???

Haki was introduced as an equalizer for people with different fighting styles and who'd otherwise be put at a disadvantage for example a non DF user (Shanks) vs a df user (Kaido, Akainu etc.). So even by your warped logic, when applying haki, martial arts, Rokushiki etc. it's back to being balanced, unless you think all the characters are dumb and you're smarter because you realized they should all just be using swords.

 

[thedude]

Mihawk just threw a casual attack from where he was standing. We know he's no coward, he's just an impulsive character that acts out of curiosity and boredom. Just remember how he traveled half the world out of Grand Line just to chase Krieg "because he had nothing else to do", and Zeff suspected his reasons might just be that "Krieg may have woke him up from his nap". Mihawk's very serious, yet very carefree, it's not out of character for him to simply not directly chase Whitebeard's head, and there's no reason to think Mihawk can't slice Jozu up if he attacks him with the intent to do so.

There are some other very interesting facts about Mihawk:

- As some have said, Luffy will become the strongest pirate by the end of the story. Zoro will become his Rayleigh; someone who's easily above admiral level even while old and retired for years, so undeniably close to Roger's own level. Zoro's final opponent will be Mihawk; Mihawk has to be a bigger obstacle than just an admiral for the fight to be interesting unless Zoro remains at an overwhelmingly weaker level than Luffy's.

- Speaking of Rayleigh: he doesn't have a DF and he's strictly a swordsman of the same kind Zoro and Mihawk are, so he's living proof of pure swordsmen reaching Yonkou-like levels. We don't know why he's not the world strongest's swordsman since we haven't been told the story behind that title just yet, but we know that Mihawk's in possession of that title and not Rayleigh nor Shanks. That's enough to suspect Mihawk is very easily at least above admiral level.

- Zoro has still got a long way to go until he becomes the world's strongest swordsman, yet he has accumulated his fair share of injuries along the way. Just four of the many scars he could have gotten have remained, but look at Mihawk. Mihawk has been fighting since he was a child and has reached the very top of swordsmanship, yet he's shirtless all the time and bears not a single visible scar. Not only that: we have never even seen Mihawk make a worried face. We haven't even seen him grind his teeth (he did in the anime against Jinbei but not in all of the manga). He's always just nonchalant, serious and almost looks bored.


Mihawk has no feat at all so far to seriously discuss his actual strength, but there are plenty hints in the manga of him being possibly Yonkou-level in a 1vs1. However, he could never be "as strong as a Yonkou" since Yonkou's strength was literally mentioned in the manga as not simply how strong they are in a 1vs1 but how huge their crews and territories are. Mihawk is a complete loner and doesn't even have a crew, so he will never be able to compete in that field, but now that the marines have turned on the Shichibukai and even admirals have been deployed against them, we will see just how strong Mihawk truly is (or isn't). Let's just wait until Wano is over first, I guess.

Raleigh isn't "easily above admiral level", just as Roger wasn't above admiral level by that much (he was close to Garp and Sengoku from what we've read).

Luffy will never be levels greater than his opponents who are top tier world level. That's just not what Oda is writing here.

My take on "WSS" is simple - Mihawk lives the life of a swordsman, testing his strength and besting other swordsmen. Rayleigh was a guy who didn't care about that. He may not have been as skilled with the sword either, but he has other strength that more than makes up for it. But if you aren't going around trying to be the most skilled swordsman, you won't get that title, even if you are "stronger" overall and are a swordsman.

Shanks likewise isn't going around trying to beat the other swordsmen to prove he is best. And when he had two arms, he was apparently pretty equal to Mihawk skill wise. And then years later, even though he lost an arm, he was then strong enough to become recognized as a Yonko.

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1) Garp, along with Sengoku, was the only marine Roger thought worth his time before finding entertainment with WB.
2) Garp and Roger fought one another numerous times over the years, according to Roger himself. There was no known 'winner'.
3) Garp was the only one known for cornering Roger many times.
4) Garp and Roger teamed up to defeat Rocks and it's portrayed as an equal partnership, not Roger and his sidekick.
5) Whitebeard was called the only man to equal Roger many chapters before we knew anything about Garp being linked to Roger.

Sword vs hand is a very superficial and simplistic way to frame this. Obviously a sword is sharp and it would cut someone's hand. However this isn't the case with One Piece where people have superhuman strength, insane martial arts and reflexes AND not to mention, something called Haki. The reason people use different weapons and fighting styles is because this isn't a manga strictly about samurai or MMA fighting; people use different fighting styles and weapon choices, not because one is superior to the other, but because battle manga always have diversity in terms of fighting styles and characters. So this is a REACH reach.

Furthermore, in real life guns > hands and swords so Yassopp > Mihawk > Garp by your logic???

Haki was introduced as an equalizer for people with different fighting styles and who'd otherwise be put at a disadvantage for example a non DF user (Shanks) vs a df user (Kaido, Akainu etc.). So even by your warped logic, when applying haki, martial arts, Rokushiki etc. it's back to being balanced, unless you think all the characters are dumb and you're smarter because you realized they should all just be using swords.

Agree with all of this.

 

[M3J]

Lol, did anyone doubt that was what it was about?

Garp was Roger/WB level in his prime. Oda is clear on that. Anything else is invention of the mind.

Roger was also probably the strongest pirate of his era. But he was not exponentially stronger than someone like WB. He wasn't stronger than Garp by any real measure from what we have in the story.

And Pirate King is not a real title. The other pirates didn't bow to him. He was just the greatest pirate, one who the WG couldn't do a thing about. It's a thing that was given to him probably by the media of the time, and it stuck.

Pirate King is a title that Roger earned by getting to Raftel, I think that's why he got the title. If it was about being the greatest pirate, then Whitebeard would have had the title after Roger died.

 

[LaserBeam]

Garp didn't just make it out alive in a small war. It was him and Roger vs the Rox pirates from all we've been told. 2 vs Rox, Whitebeard, Big Mom, Shiki, Kaido.

He isn't overrated in his prime, dude was a beast who Roger respected personally. He's a guy who they said would have been an admiral if he hadn't been so disgusted with the world nobles. A guy with no devil fruit would be an admiral. A guy who even at his old age casually knocks the young Marco out of the air with a punch.

I think Akainu is stronger, but in his prime Garp was a different story.

(and let's all ignore the derail attempt to get this all about how swords are superior and how Pirate King is below WSS...we don't need to end more interesting debates to feed the trolls).


edit: Have to say how funny it is to even read Nik's comment about it being "simply navigational". Mihawk himself said to Luffy about wanting to be Pirate King "You tread a perilous path, even more perilous than trying to surpass me".

But Buggy could be Pirate King simply by stumbling to Laugh Tale. Lol. That's why you don't argue with him or egg him on. He's not being serious.

If he was that strong then he wouldn't afraid of whitebeard and he would have went to do 1 vs 1 but you could clearly see the sweat face like here is the thing when you are really strong and you see someone else strong you do not sweat because you are confident when you start pulling face expressions with a tone of sweat it means you acknownledge the other guy as been stronger than you otherwise there is seriously no need to worry at all.

Yes he hit marco but didn't do much damage he just knocked him out also i never understood why marco couldn't avoid him despite been a bird mode he should have the flight advantage
Then again this is the same stupid logic to why someone sees a boulder coming and desides instead of going to the sides to avoid it he goes head on.

Roger respected the guy sure like luffy respects lots of dudes who are a lot weaker than him so i wouldn't count rogers respect as a measurement of garps strength at all.

I still remember that scene where he told garp to take care of his unborned child and when garp was like: " i am a marine what you ask is difficult to be done"
The dude gave garp such a stare that garp expression was : "ok i am about to get my ass kicked"

Again i think the whole garp been equal to roger because they fought it is a story probably been spread by the goverment who tried to manipulate the events that happened and rised garp's name as a hero to probably make other pirates afraid of him because imagine if you were some pirate and you hear you are face a hero marine you faced the pirate who was been named as the strongest i don't know about you but i would definetely run for my life.

Besides we already see the world goverment doing a ton of things like this if they can change or remove history i bet they can also make history as well.

It is so easy you just put someone like morgans in a big fight and if the marines win that fight you just make an article about those specific marines driving the forces of evil away and here you are some self made heroes.

Garp hype is fake until there will be something that will clearly show that he is not.

 

[Deleted member 169696]

I can't way to see Oda finally putting an end to this discussion, when he finally shows us that Mihawk is indeed stronger than Shanks.

 

[Ramen]

I can't way to see Oda finally putting an end to this discussion, when he finally shows us that Mihawk is indeed stronger than Shanks.

Which will never happen. Shanks >> Mihawk.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I can't way to see Oda finally putting an end to this discussion, when he finally shows us that Mihawk is indeed stronger than Shanks.

You seriously expect them to fight by the end of this manga? When they are more allies than enemies?

We may never know

 

[nik87]

1) Garp, along with Sengoku, was the only marine Roger thought worth his time before finding entertainment with WB.
2) Garp and Roger fought one another numerous times over the years, according to Roger himself. There was no known 'winner'.
3) Garp was the only one known for cornering Roger many times.
4) Garp and Roger teamed up to defeat Rocks and it's portrayed as an equal partnership, not Roger and his sidekick.
5) Whitebeard was called the only man to equal Roger many chapters before we knew anything about Garp being linked to Roger.

Sword vs hand is a very superficial and simplistic way to frame this. Obviously a sword is sharp and it would cut someone's hand. However this isn't the case with One Piece where people have superhuman strength, insane martial arts and reflexes AND not to mention, something called Haki. The reason people use different weapons and fighting styles is because this isn't a manga strictly about samurai or MMA fighting; people use different fighting styles and weapon choices, not because one is superior to the other, but because battle manga always have diversity in terms of fighting styles and characters. So this is a REACH reach.

Furthermore, in real life guns > hands and swords so Yassopp > Mihawk > Garp by your logic???

Haki was introduced as an equalizer for people with different fighting styles and who'd otherwise be put at a disadvantage for example a non DF user (Shanks) vs a df user (Kaido, Akainu etc.). So even by your warped logic, when applying haki, martial arts, Rokushiki etc. it's back to being balanced, unless you think all the characters are dumb and you're smarter because you realized they should all just be using swords.

Since my logic is warped, I am sure you have evidence in 22 years of fight history that proves me wrong. Among countless battles we should have at least one example of combatants of comparable strength going at each other, sword vs hand, ON PANEL, and the barehanded one doing just fine. Give me just one proof so I can finally see how the hand equals a sword.

 

[jaymizzo]

Since my logic is warped, I am sure you have evidence in 22 years of fight history that proves me wrong. Among countless battles we should have at least one example of combatants of comparable strength going at each other, sword vs hand, ON PANEL, and the barehanded one doing just fine. Give me just one proof so I can finally see how the hand equals a sword.

Luffy vs Cracker. Whiskey peak. Garp vs Roger. Can you just stop being a troll.

 

[nik87]

Luffy vs Cracker. Whiskey peak. Garp vs Roger. Can you just stop being a troll.

You are calling me a troll while you are trolling yourself...
Read my post again.

 

[jaymizzo]

You are calling me a troll while you are trolling yourself...
Read my post again.

I did. Proof of barehanded vs Swords. @Lexusflame IIRC has had this discussion with you countless times.

You still haven't gone and answered the guy. You tend to say real life swords>fist and that applies in the manga, mangakas just aren't smart enough to show that (if swords are losing, its plot). Now, is Ussop > Zoro or Yassop > Mihawk because Guns>Swords or is Zoro>Usopp because swords in manga do not follow real world logic (you'd argue Zoro will cut the bullet or shot as he rightly can).

 

[nik87]

I did. Proof of barehanded vs Swords. @Lexusflame IIRC has had this discussion with you countless times.

You still haven't gone and answered the guy. You tend to say real life swords>fist and that applies in the manga, mangakas just aren't smart enough to show that (if swords are losing, its plot). Now, is Ussop > Zoro or Yassop > Mihawk because Guns>Swords or is Zoro>Usopp because swords in manga do not follow real world logic (you'd argue Zoro will cut the bullet or shot as he rightly can).

Stop trolling.
I asked for proof on panel about sword vs hand and you said Roger vs Garp. What has been shown from their fight on panel? Nothing. You are clearly trolling because you know you have nothing.
You said Cracker vs Luffy. The only time a sword has gone vs a hand in that fight, the sword won. You are trolling again.
You said Whiskey Peak. There is no sword vs hand on panel to see in WP. You are trolling in all examples you listed.
Once again, the most durable body from WSC himself has been cut up like butter by the sword. That has ended sword vs hand discussion but the trolls keep trolling because they cant admit it despite rock hard evidence.