One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Shasha23]

A sword is only as good as the wielder....so its really about how good Garp is with the sword, since haki levels will be the same.

a better example would have been Mihawk, of course Mihawk with a sword would beat Mihawk without.

 

[hokageji]

a better example would have been Mihawk, of course Mihawk with a sword would beat Mihawk without.

Sure, lthough Mihawk without a blade is just a vampire without fangs...

 

[Fox666]

I never understood the idea that swordsmen are inherently superior. Maybe in real life you have an advantage, but not in One Piece world.

First, there's a matter of specialization. Luffy fights with his fists, Zoro with his swords. That's what they are better at. Luffy wouldn't be capable of wielding a sword. Zoro wouldn't be that great fighting with his fists.

Secondly, there's talent. Luffy would probably never become a great swordsman, or not greater than he's already is at hand-to-hand combat.

 

[Ramen]

Why is Big Mom always downplayed as a character?She's on on Kaido's level but people act like she's YC1 level. It's stupid.

She's easily a top 5.

 

[AmitDS]

I think you guys are ranking Hancock too highly at YC1 level. I don't think she is stronger than Doffy who is YC3 because unlike Doffy she hasn't fully mastered her haki or at least her CoC. Other than that, I don't see her being that strong.

Magellan also doesn't seem to be that high up. Yes his venom poison seems pretty strong but him as an individual, not really. I believe if Pre TS Luffy knew haki, he would defeat him with HIGH Diff. And now Post TS Gear 2 Luffy at Fishman Island could surely defeat Magellan with ease. So I don't think Magellan is that powerful.

There is no evidence that Hancock hasn't mastered her haki or awakened yet since unlike DD, she has no post time skip feats. So nothing is actually confirming that she can't possibly have mastery over these post time skip to be shown later on. Also people guess that she's on YC1 level because of power creep and the fact that pretty soon people expect people like Zoro and Sanji to be YC 2 or YC 1 level and they'd expect someone who was so strong pre time skip, who is undoubtedly one of the strongest shichibukai, to be revealed to be on that YC 1 level or to reach that level in due time. Her, Mihawk and Weevil are the only remaining strong shichibukai and have never shown their power, really so from a narrative perspective it's expected that she's a big deal. It's also not out of the realm of possibility that even DD will appear stronger if and when he's shown active again. .

 

[thedude]

There is no evidence that Hancock hasn't mastered her haki or awakened yet since unlike DD, she has no post time skip feats. So nothing is actually confirming that she can't possibly have mastery over these post time skip to be shown later on. Also people guess that she's on YC1 level because of power creep and the fact that pretty soon people expect people like Zoro and Sanji to be YC 2 or YC 1 level and they'd expect someone who was so strong pre time skip, who is undoubtedly one of the strongest shichibukai, to be revealed to be on that YC 1 level or to reach that level in due time. Her, Mihawk and Weevil are the only remaining strong shichibukai and have never shown their power, really so from a narrative perspective it's expected that she's a big deal. It's also not out of the realm of possibility that even DD will appear stronger if and when he's shown active again. .

I think Doflamingo is very strong, he may have beaten Luffy at that time had Law not been there and Luffy didn't have others to delay for him when he ran out of haki. But Luffy today would beat him since he has much more stamina. It would still be a tough fight, but I think Katakuri was stronger than Doflamingo, and Luffy grew from that.

I agree with you on Hancock. She will be very strong. Like I mentioned previously, we saw nameless people going to capture Weevil. Fujitora and Kolby going to capture Hancock. That shows the level they consider her, they weren't messing around with her capture. WE've really seen nothing of her power, never seen her serious in a fight, going all out.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I think you guys are ranking Hancock too highly at YC1 level.

Bae is Yonko Tier, don't be blind

 

[Shasha23]

Sure, lthough Mihawk without a blade is just a vampire without fangs...

Nice way to dodge the fact that a person with a sword is stronger than a person without

 

[Pirate Queen]

Nice way to dodge the fact that a person with a sword is stronger than a person without

Mihawk without a sword is just a swordless swordsman, genius. Of course you would bet on a Mihawk who specializes in sworsamanship(that has a sword) vs a Mihawk without a sword. Take a swordsmans sword away and they are useless unless they also specialize in a different form of combat.

Mihawk with a sword vs a Mihawk highly skilled in martial arts weaponless fighting is a different arguement.

 

[Shasha23]

I never understood the idea that swordsmen are inherently superior. Maybe in real life you have an advantage, but not in One Piece world.

First, there's a matter of specialization. Luffy fights with his fists, Zoro with his swords. That's what they are better at. Luffy wouldn't be capable of wielding a sword. Zoro wouldn't be that great fighting with his fists.

Secondly, there's talent. Luffy would probably never become a great swordsman, or not greater than he's already is at hand-to-hand combat.

Swordsman are not inherently superior, its just out of all the weapons in One Piece a sword is the best weapon besides a devil fruit thats why majority of top tires use them!

Zoro is more than capable fighter with his fists, not even Sanji could do anything to him while he didnt have his swords, besides your missing the big picture here while its true Luffy fights with his fists he still uses a very power weapon, a weapon called a Devil Fruit! and as the verse has established Devil Fruits are the most powerful weapons

If Luffy didnt consume a devil fruit he would most likely be a swordsman like his role model Shanks

 

[M3J]

Exactly its not about swords vs fists but about the quality of haki now

Yep, as well as natural strength. Garp seems to have extraordinary strength even for an OP combatant, and haki probably makes him even better. If Zoro comes up against Garp, Garp has the potential to destroy his blade.

Yes, Zoro is a main character. If you didnt know, he is one of the 3 triggers for the story. Other two are Luffy and Nami.
Disappearing for 2 years didnt make him any less relevant. The entire crew bar Luffy has disappeared for around ~2years.
Sanji can have all arcs dedicated to him and he is still not as a relevant character as Zoro.

It does follow Luffy and Zoro since chapter 3. Yes, he is treated above the others, Zoro is basically Luffy with a different combat style.
There are two relevant events in the story of One Piece - Luffy becoming PK and Zoro becoming WSS since the very first chapters.
Everything in the story revolves around their two dreams. Even Nami, while having significantly less focus is a main character.

It also follows Nami, Usopp, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, and now Jinbei ever since they joined the crew. Your point does not make sense and is nonsense. Sanji is just as relevant as Zoro, and even Brook is. Sanji probably even more so as a cook, as we saw when Luffy's team was going to WCI. Sanji's dream isn't to be the strongest like Luffy and Zoro's are, but he will have to be pretty strong.

Why is Big Mom always downplayed as a character?She's on on Kaido's level but people act like she's YC1 level. It's stupid.

She's easily a top 5.

Her portrayal has not been good, Oda's made her look bad to the point that people actually think she's weak even though even Luffy couldn't hurt her.

 

[Shasha23]

Mihawk without a sword is just a swordless swordsman, genius. Of course you would bet on a Mihawk who specializes in sworsamanship(that has a sword) vs a Mihawk without a sword. Take a swordsmans sword away and they are useless unless they also specialize in a different form of combat.

Mihawk with a sword vs a Mihawk highly skilled in martial arts weaponless fighting is a different arguement.

Why is it that Mihawk with a sword is stronger than him without, now before you start doing mental gymnastics and going on and ignorant rank think this about this before, isn’t it just possible that Mihawk with a sword has better attack power than him without that’s why he would lose to himself without......hmmmmm?

ask yourself this, why do so many people believe fighting with swords is superior to fighting without them?

 

[Ramen]

Her portrayal has not been good, Oda's made her look bad to the point that people actually think she's weak even though even Luffy couldn't hurt her.

She's portrayed to be on Kaido's level.

 

[M3J]

She's portrayed to be on Kaido's level.

Has she though? I mean, Nami took her down for few minutes with lightning, Jinbei blocked and threw her back, Sanji and Luffy stopped her from rekking Reiji, and King managed to topple over her ship and cause her to lose her memory. Oh, and Queen also managed to put her to sleep (I don't know if he really knocked her out due to the ZZZs). Kaidou was attacked by Luffy in Gear 4, got up like nothing happened, and one-shot LUffy. I wouldn't be surprised if she was stronger than Kaidou, but her portrayal hasn't been that good.

 

[Ramen]

Has she though? I mean, Nami took her down for few minutes with lightning, Jinbei blocked and threw her back, Sanji and Luffy stopped her from rekking Reiji, and King managed to topple over her ship and cause her to lose her memory. Oh, and Queen also managed to put her to sleep (I don't know if he really knocked her out due to the ZZZs). Kaidou was attacked by Luffy in Gear 4, got up like nothing happened, and one-shot LUffy. I wouldn't be surprised if she was stronger than Kaidou, but her portrayal hasn't been that good.

Yes because no matter what the straw hats did, they couldn't beat her or even hurt her. Someone as strong as Katakuri was scared at the thought of BM going wild, same as her other children. Luffy was one shot by Kaido, BM evenly clashed with him to the point where the beast pirates were scared of what would happen with their fight. On top of all that, she has one of the most broken DF'S.

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Also her durability is insane.

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She also laughed at Kaido when he threatened to kill her and mocked him for it.

 

[Deleted member 169696]

Why is it that Mihawk with a sword is stronger than him without, now before you start doing mental gymnastics and going on and ignorant rank think this about this before, isn’t it just possible that Mihawk with a sword has better attack power than him without that’s why he would lose to himself without......hmmmmm?

ask yourself this, why do so many people believe fighting with swords is superior to fighting without them?

Even if there was an alternative version of Mihawk who trained to fight with fists, legs or whatever, that version would still lose.

The moment Yoru and that other Mihawk's body parts connect it's pretty obvious who will come out injured.

Especially taking into account the fact that black blades are known for their increased hardness.

 

[Pirate Queen]

ask yourself this, why do so many people believe fighting with swords is superior to fighting without them?

Only fanbois think that, sorry to burst your bubble. Nowhere has it been stated in the manga people believe swords to be superior to another combat style

 

[Fox666]

Has she though? I mean, Nami took her down for few minutes with lightning, Jinbei blocked and threw her back, Sanji and Luffy stopped her from rekking Reiji, and King managed to topple over her ship and cause her to lose her memory. Oh, and Queen also managed to put her to sleep (I don't know if he really knocked her out due to the ZZZs). Kaidou was attacked by Luffy in Gear 4, got up like nothing happened, and one-shot LUffy. I wouldn't be surprised if she was stronger than Kaidou, but her portrayal hasn't been that good.

In most of these instances Big Mom either went crazy, was starved or had lost her memory. When she was at full power, she managed to fight evenly with Kaido for a while.

 

[M3J]

Yes because no matter what the straw hats did, they couldn't beat her or even hurt her. Someone as strong as Katakuri was scared at the thought of BM going wild, same as her other children. Luffy was one shot by Kaido, BM evenly clashed with him to the point where the beast pirates were scared of what would happen with their fight. On top of all that, she has one of the most broken DF'S.

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Also her durability is insane.

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She also laughed at Kaido when he threatened to kill her and mocked him for it.

The only difference we have is that I'm saying Big Mom wasn't shown as powerful or competent, and the posts here back it up with how members were annoyed that Big Mom turned into a joke. Although she tied with Kaidou, she still went down against Queen. Even though Luffy wasn't able to beat her, the news still says she lost.

 

[Ramen]

The only difference we have is that I'm saying Big Mom wasn't shown as powerful or competent, and the posts here back it up with how members were annoyed that Big Mom turned into a joke. Although she tied with Kaidou, she still went down against Queen. Even though Luffy wasn't able to beat her, the news still says she lost.

Who cares what the news says. Big Mom can fight evenly with Kaido. Not many others can.