One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[M3J]

You asked why Big Mom is downplayed, and I gave you my theories as to why.

 

[King Moe]

You asked why Big Mom is downplayed, and I gave you my theories as to why.

Honestly if they using her being involved in gags or her 'hunger pains' as way to say she is 'weak' than that really illogical as this is Oda. He gives everyone an running gag just like Kaido being involved in comical moments especially when he is drunk. I remember when he was like that thread were upset since it 'ruin' the vision of a personality they wanted him to be and were afraid it be an 'liability' during his fight if he becomes drunk which is never the case. It's one of the themes of OP Oda does with characters, but that doesn't mean they are less threatening and nor longer major threat. Big Mom is a Yonko for a reason and Oda have showcased why when she fights whether sane or insane.

 

[nik87]

Shanks > Mihawk.

Mihawk>Shanks is a manga fact.
Both are swordsmen and Oda proclaimed Mihawk the WSS.

I never understood the idea that swordsmen are inherently superior. Maybe in real life you have an advantage, but not in One Piece world.
First, there's a matter of specialization. Luffy fights with his fists, Zoro with his swords. That's what they are better at. Luffy wouldn't be capable of wielding a sword. Zoro wouldn't be that great fighting with his fists.
Secondly, there's talent. Luffy would probably never become a great swordsman, or not greater than he's already is at hand-to-hand combat.

Kizaru with a sword>Kizaru without a sword, another manga fact.
If Kizaru was superior without his sword he would fight Rayleigh barehanded.

It also follows Nami, Usopp, Chopper, Robin, Franky, Brook, and now Jinbei ever since they joined the crew. Your point does not make sense and is nonsense. Sanji is just as relevant as Zoro, and even Brook is. Sanji probably even more so as a cook, as we saw when Luffy's team was going to WCI. Sanji's dream isn't to be the strongest like Luffy and Zoro's are, but he will have to be pretty strong.

My point is a fact from Oda himself, 3 triggers for the story are Nami, Luffy and Zoro.
It has nothing to do with Sanji, his dream and how strong he will be.

 

[Ramen]

Mihawk>Shanks is a manga fact.
Both are swordsmen and Oda proclaimed Mihawk the WSS.

This is not a fact.

Using that logic, Yonko>WSS.

Also using that logic, Mihawk>WB, Roger, and BM.

 

[M3J]

Honestly if they using her being involved in gags or her 'hunger pains' as way to say she is 'weak' than that really illogical as this is Oda. He gives everyone an running gag just like Kaido being involved in comical moments especially when he is drunk. I remember when he was like that thread were upset since it 'ruin' the vision of a personality they wanted him to be and were afraid it be an 'liability' during his fight if he becomes drunk which is never the case. It's one of the themes of OP Oda does with characters, but that doesn't mean they are less threatening and nor longer major threat. Big Mom is a Yonko for a reason and Oda have showcased why when she fights whether sane or insane.

I really don't remember if they do, I know a lot of members are not happy with her portrayal.

And again, I agree with Madara.

My point is a fact from Oda himself, 3 triggers for the story are Nami, Luffy and Zoro.
It has nothing to do with Sanji, his dream and how strong he will be.

Where did he say this?

 

[nik87]

This is not a fact.
Using that logic, Yonko>WSS.
Also using that logic, Mihawk>WB, Roger, and BM.

Oda: I have named this character the World's Strongest Swordsman. Among all the swordsmen, he is the strongest.
Fan: Yes, he is strong but he is not stronger than these swordsmen which I place above him in my own PL list.
Oda: You know what World's Strongest means? It means that he is above all others.
Fan: Yes but he isnt stronger than these characters. He has nothing to do with Luffy so he isnt the strongest.
Oda: So my word as an author means nothing to you?
Fan: No, no, it totally does but Mihawk just cannot be the stronger than Shanks and Big Mom.
Oda:

Yonko is not a PL title.
WB has nothing to do with swordsmen.
Roger and Mihawk are two different generations.
Mihawk is stronger than BM.

Where did he say this?

One of the One Piece Colour Walk volumes, if I find a link to the source I'll link it.

 

[Ramen]

Oda: I have named this character the World's Strongest Swordsman. Among all the swordsmen, he is the strongest.
Fan: Yes, he is strong but he is not stronger than these swordsmen which I place above him in my own PL list.
Oda: You know what World's Strongest means? It means that he is above all others.
Fan: Yes but he isnt stronger than these characters. He has nothing to do with Luffy so he isnt the strongest.
Oda: So my word as an author means nothing to you?
Fan: No, no, it totally does but Mihawk just cannot be the stronger than Shanks and Big Mom.
Oda:

Yonko is not a PL title.
WB has nothing to do with swordsmen.
Roger and Mihawk are two different generations.
Mihawk is stronger than BM.


One of the One Piece Colour Walk volumes, if I find a link to the source I'll link it.

Just swords. Mihawk is the best only in swords. There's other factors to it. Yonkos is a PL title. They together could take over the world according to Garp. BM has better feats than Mihawk. Feats>>Titles. WB used a sword.

I love how you make a big deal of WSS but disregard the title of a Yonko. Hypocrisy at it's finest.

Shanks became a Yonko with one arm. That alone >>> Mihawk.

Yonko >>> Mihawk. Fact.

 

[M3J]

One of the One Piece Colour Walk volumes, if I find a link to the source I'll link it.

Until you do, I'm going to take that as false, especially given that we recently found out a popular quote was actually fake.

 

[Ramen]

Anyways, I'm done debating Shanks vs Mihawk.

@thedude Is Dragon a top 10 character?

 

[XXGenesis]

So I took a look at Kiadou's Crew in Wikia...and I'm somewhat incorrect but....

Why are Luffy & Zoro having trouble with Gifters....Or are they fighting unnamed Headliners???


Arent the Gifters...Sheep, Bat, Alpaca, etc
Weaker or around the level of Brooke, Franky, & Chopper....

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

He gave up the fight against Judge, that isn't really one you can count a fight nor was going to gore through people to get to judge who cheated to win. By your logic I guess Zoro losing Kamazou is more justified now if we disregarding another being involved of the fight.

Yeah, but you forget YCs are there too and he face them before facing Kanjuro, but Zoro could come in to face him given his lost of direction though.

Judge didn't cheat on the aerial fight. He beat sanji in a fair fight there. Read back the chapter before you want to continue this discussion.

 

[XXGenesis]

Judge didn't cheat on the aerial fight. He beat sanji in a fair fight there. Read back the chapter before you want to continue this discussion.

Judge did not beat Sanji in a fair fight.!
How can you call judge using hisnsildiers as dispensable shields to block Sanji's attack...a fair fight?

Sanji would have beat judge without the interference and surprise of judge sacraficing his soldiers to get off a hit on Sanji.

I'll be an ass and add some fuel to the Zoro x Sanji fued......Sanji needs to fight already!!..holy cow oda hates Sanji & loves Zoro. Who do we have to pay in Shuihesha to get some Sanji feats.

 

[nik87]

Just swords. Mihawk is the best only in swords. There's other factors to it. Yonkos is a PL title. They together could take over the world according to Garp. BM has better feats than Mihawk. Feats>>Titles. WB used a sword.

I love how you make a big deal of WSS but disregard the title of a Yonko. Hypocrisy at it's finest.
Shanks became a Yonko with one arm. That alone >>> Mihawk.
Yonko >>> Mihawk. Fact.

The manga itself doesnt consider Whitebeard a swordsman nor the weapon he uses as a sword. That is your headcanon and dont mix it with facts.
Buggy can become a Yonko, it's not a big deal especially after you have been spoonfed after WCI what it means to be a Yonko when Luffy was proclaimed one.

Yonko is not a PL title, it has never been.
WSS on the other hand, is PL title so find a way to deal with facts that come directly from Oda.
Oda doesnt care about BM having better feats, he gave the title to Mihawk. Dont argue against the author, it is silly.

Until you do, I'm going to take that as false, especially given that we recently found out a popular quote was actually fake.

ONE PIECE COLOR WALK

One Piece Color Walk 1 Release date: July 19, 2001 Content: Color spreads between chapter 1 - chapter 100 Manga covers between vol...

shiroyuki666.blogspot.com

Color Walk 1, from 2001.
"Three triggers/detonators are gathered."

 

[nik87]

How can you call judge using hisnsildiers as dispensable shields to block Sanji's attack...a fair fight?

Are you criticizing Cracker because he used his soldiers as shields to block Luffy's attacks?
It is a way how Judge fights, period.
As the real combatants, Luffy and Zoro themselves said, everything is allowed in a pirate fight and it's purely their fault if they cant deal with it.

 

[Ramen]

No he can't. If Buggy could, he would. Luffy was oneshot by an actual Yonko so that hype is meaningless. He was powerless against BM.

Yonko is a PL. There are many times in the series it was shown that the Yonko were the strongest.

Yea let's forget feats and whatnot and focus on a title.....lololol

Feats>>>>title. That's how it works.

 

[nik87]

No he can't. If Buggy could, he would. Luffy was oneshot by an actual Yonko so that hype is meaningless. He was powerless against BM.
Yonko is a PL. There are many times in the series it was shown that the Yonko were the strongest.

Yea let's forget feats and whatnot and focus on a title.....lololol
What's silly is your obsession with denying everything just to say Mihawk>>>everyone who has a sword lmao

If he could become a Shichibukai he can become a Yonko as well. Luffy didnt become one either because of his individual strength, nobody did.
Not a single time have Yonko shown to be the strongest. That is your headcanon and it never was a PL title, at least not individual-based.

You understand that Oda is the one writing the story, not you and your scoreboard of feats?
It is not my obsession, it is a fact from the author of the story himself. Complain to Oda because your personal PL list is hurt.

 

[Ramen]

If he could become a Shichibukai he can become a Yonko as well. Luffy didnt become one either because of his individual strength, nobody did.
Not a single time have Yonko shown to be the strongest. That is your headcanon and it never was a PL title, at least not individual-based.

You understand that Oda is the one writing the story, not you and your scoreboard of feats?
It is not my obsession, it is a fact from the author of the story himself. Complain to Oda because your personal PL list is hurt.

Ok so random title >> feats. Got it.

 

[nik87]

Ok so random title >> feats. Got it.

I am sure Oda will take your complaints into consideration.

 

[Ramen]

Not a single time have Yonko shown to be the strongest.

Laughs in Whitebeard, Kaido and BM.

 

[nik87]

Laughs in Whitebeard, Kaido and BM.

Kaido and Whitebeard surely are the strongest, they got the WSx titles, the others never have been the strongest.