Mag Talk Weekly Shonen Jump [2020] - Discussion and ToC Talk

[Shinuki no Reborn]

MANGAHELPERS "TOC" POLL ISSUE #51 - VOTING!​

The poll for issue #51 is now open, vote for your favorite chapters of the week clicking HERE!

Alongside the release of Sakamoto Days, the extra series this week are:

-Dragon Ball Super 66
-Boruto: Naruto Next Generations 52
-Ghost Reaper Girl 10

Good Votes!

 

[Halloween]

Moderator Notice:
Henceforth, I will be deleting posts that complain about Weekly Shonen Jump having too many/not enough gag/battle/exorcism/sports/etc series.

These posts are not insightful, and do not meaningfully contribute to this thread. Also, this decision is not up for discussion, so posts discussing this decision will also be deleted.~ Halloween

 

[Ryuusei]

Spoiler: 52 TOC & 01 Preview

呪 僕 O マ ブ S C D 破 C B 夜 C 僕 あ 灼 ぼ チ 高 ア 森 A 仄 ぼ 次号カラー ヒロアカ アンデラ 夜桜 約ネバ 道産子 GIGA 岸本先生が描くコラボポスター 爆豪クリアファイル

Spoiler: Issue #52 ToC & Preview

Jujutsu Kaisen (Cover & LCP)
My Hero Academia
One Piece
Mashle
Black Clover
Sakamoto Days (CP)
Dr. Stone
Magu-chan: God of Destruction (CP)
Build King
Mission: Yozakura Family
Me & Roboco
Ayakashi Triangle (CP)
Shakunetsu no Niraikanai
We Never Learn
Chainsaw Man
Koukousei Kazoku
Undead Unluck
Moriking
Agravity Boys
Honomieru Shounen
Bokura no Ketsumei

Issue #1
Cover & LCP: My Hero Academia
CP: Undead Unluck, Mission: Yozakura Family, The Promised Neverland, Dosanko Gyaru wa Namaramenkoi

GIGA Preview
Collab poster by Kishimoto
Bakugou clear file

 

[101nemesis]

I want to know how Mashle sales compared to Samurai 8.

I remember that Samurai 8 started with decent sales (although its positions in the TOC were bad). It will be good to compare to know what WSJ think about Mashle sales.



Thank you.

S8 was cancelled for an entirely different reason.
Mashle does not fall under the same umbrella of reasoning as S8 when it comes to longevity.

If anything, S8 has been revolutionary in how it has forced WSJ to never overprint volumes for any newbies. It's why you constantly see most newbies get reprint information. They've been very defensive with printing volumes for new series ever since S8.

Not the legacy S8 fans wanted but its what you got.

 

[RafGL]

I want to know how Mashle sales compared to Samurai 8.

I remember that Samurai 8 started with decent sales (although its positions in the TOC were bad). It will be good to compare to know what WSJ think about Mashle sales.

Since we're doing estimations, let's compare estimations, even if we're just putting context all aside. It's not fully updated, not like I cba doing it, but you can get a good view with this I guess. They were insanely bad.

Also weeks that ranked in Oricon so it's visible Shoseki is always a bit inflated.

 

[Mankichi Togawa]

So we can say the 30k club has finally resurrected

 

[James Rye]

So we can say the 30k club has finally resurrected

One person does not make a club. You need at least three members.^^

 

[tirakai]

One thing I noticed is that Ghost Writer's ch 1 trailer on youtube has a good bit less views than Bone and Moriking, and also much higher dislikes (over 40% dislikes, compared to Bone only having ~8% and Moriking ~2%). So it doesn't seem like the controversy is getting more people reading than usual, rather it seems like it's just makes it much less popular with the regular readers.

But then again Zipman's video has high views and barely any dislikes but it got cancelled right away so the videos aren't always a good indication of popularity.

 

[Konja9]

Since we're doing estimations, let's compare estimations, even if we're just putting context all aside. It's not fully updated, not like I cba doing it, but you can get a good view with this I guess. They were insanely bad.

Also weeks that ranked in Oricon so it's visible Shoseki is always a bit inflated.

Thank you very much.

Yeah. This wasn't good for Samurai 8. Volume 1 and Volume 2 (that were released the same day) started with decent estimates in Shoseki, these estimates were better than Mashle. The big problem is Samurai 8 had a horrible fall for the next volume.

I really doubt Mashle will have so big fall.


PS: It seems Shoseki inflated Samurai 8 numbers, is this common with other manga? Or only Samurai 8?

 

[Stivie]

Will Mashle enter the oricon rank?

 

[BX-02BLODIA]

Akuma no Memumemu-chan Vol 10 obi will have a comment from Iori Moe (Gravure Idol)
Illustration from Akutami Gege (Jujutsu Kaisen), Ihara Daiki (Koisuru One Piece), Demizu Posuka (The Promised Neverland), Totsuno Takahide (Alice to Taiyou), Hasegawa Tomohiro (Shinrin Ouja Moriking), Fujimoto Tatsuki (Chainsaw Man) & Miura Tadahiro (Yuuna and the Haunted Hotsprings)

Reminds me that the series is still yet to be translated by anyone.

 

[Koni]

One thing I noticed is that Ghost Writer's ch 1 trailer on youtube has a good bit less views than Bone and Moriking, and also much higher dislikes (over 40% dislikes, compared to Bone only having ~8% and Moriking ~2%). So it doesn't seem like the controversy is getting more people reading than usual, rather it seems like it's just makes it much less popular with the regular readers.

But then again Zipman's video has high views and barely any dislikes but it got cancelled right away so the videos aren't always a good indication of popularity.

Okay, there's a funny thing about the views on these trailers. Well, something I theorize anyway. When I originally talked about the trailers and comments, I could've sworn that Guardian of the Witch had less than 20K views. I WISH I had a graph of views over time or that I had taken down the notes of the views but when I came back to the video after the manga got axed, the viewership suddenly jumped. It's at 72K views now. Note that Zipman also has a high viewcount and it was axed as well. So maybe axed manga get higher view counts because people come back to the video and talk about how it's cancelled now?

I want to test this theory, so when I talk about the PVs on Dolphin, Magu-chan, and Roboko later this month,I'll also take the viewcounts for each of the currently running series and see what happens if/when they get axed.

 

[101nemesis]

Okay, there's a funny thing about the views on these trailers. Well, something I theorize anyway. When I originally talked about the trailers and comments, I could've sworn that Guardian of the Witch had less than 20K views. I WISH I had a graph of views over time or that I had taken down the notes of the views but when I came back to the video after the manga got axed, the viewership suddenly jumped. It's at 72K views now. Note that Zipman also has a high viewcount and it was axed as well. So maybe axed manga get higher view counts because people come back to the video and talk about how it's cancelled now?

I want to test this theory, so when I talk about the PVs on Dolphin, Magu-chan, and Roboko later this month,I'll also take the viewcounts for each of the currently running series and see what happens if/when they get axed.

This is possible. The most buzz these series probably gain (after their debut chapter) would be when they are cancelled so it would explain why the increase in hits/views happen after cancellation.

 

[Mankichi Togawa]

27 million copies

 

[ChrissyR5]

 

[Halloween]

I could have swore that I prohibited talk about Teppei's plagiarism, and yet here we are.

It would appear that some deletions are in order. No more discussion on this subject, everyone.

 

[Ryuusei]

Black Clover is still at 10 million in circulation. This figure has remained unchaged since January when volume 23 got released.

27 million copies

This is consistency.

 

[tirakai]

Okay, there's a funny thing about the views on these trailers. Well, something I theorize anyway. When I originally talked about the trailers and comments, I could've sworn that Guardian of the Witch had less than 20K views. I WISH I had a graph of views over time or that I had taken down the notes of the views but when I came back to the video after the manga got axed, the viewership suddenly jumped. It's at 72K views now. Note that Zipman also has a high viewcount and it was axed as well. So maybe axed manga get higher view counts because people come back to the video and talk about how it's cancelled now?

I want to test this theory, so when I talk about the PVs on Dolphin, Magu-chan, and Roboko later this month,I'll also take the viewcounts for each of the currently running series and see what happens if/when they get axed.

That would make sense, people going back to comment on a cancelled series' promo in retrospect. Looking at the current new batch

- Ayakashi Triange is already at 77k, and I think I remember it having about 70k views after the first week
- Magu-chan is just under 10k
- Dolphin current has 11k, so I'm guessing it'll maybe get about 13-14k by the end of the first week

You can see just how much extra hype Ayakashi has compared to the other two. It's clear people are a lot more excited for Yabuki's return after years doing things elsewhere compared to Tamura who's already returned with a flop. None of them have many dislikes however so they're all good on that front.

I'm curious what kind of early views Roboko will get.

 

[Franz]

At this rate Black Clover will not reach the 20 milion copies sell even by the end.

 

[Newkerzy]

This is consistency.

It’s a bit of a shame though. If this stays until the end, then I don’t think we’ll ever see it cracking the hallowed pantheon of the 100M club.... At best, it’ll reach 50-52M depending on how long it lasts. Which is a number most manga would kill to have, but underwhelming for a series of its stature.

If we want to add global sales, it should be at 32-37M right? I forgot what number Viz’s numbers were last year (I know Viz isn’t “global”, but at least it’s a good measuring stick given what little resources we have).

 

[Thundercat27]

If anything, S8 has been revolutionary in how it has forced WSJ to never overprint volumes for any newbies. It's why you constantly see most newbies get reprint information. They've been very defensive with printing volumes for new series ever since S8.

Not the legacy S8 fans wanted but its what you got.

Holy shit, I have never thought about this.
Based Kishi and super based S8.

 

[Franz]

Even from 30 million and up it would be a nice numer for My Hero, it is the same manga figure as Reborn or Nanatsu

While for Black Clover the 20 million I think is the maximum aspirable.

 

[Thundercat27]

One person does not make a club. You need at least three members.^^

Hinomaru being a loner in that club for so long, man.