One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[nik87]

What are you talking about? How does you even remotely think that Pica could fight Luffy?

As far we know Pica can't use Haki on his giant statue. Meaning he has no means of hurting Luffy if he's hiding inside of the statue.

Luffy easily smashed the statue's head with a single Gear 3 attack. If Luffy used the Elephant Gatling, he would destroy the entire thing at once. He doesn't even need Gear 4.

Besides Pica may have only lasted that long because his opponent was not good with CoO.

Precisely what Shasha said. CoO is useless, G3 is useless, G4 is useless and can lead to Luffy's defeat.
If he is dumb enough to reach his haki limit in G4 to fall on the ground immobile, real body Pica can surface with his huge sword and decapitate him easily.

 

[Fox666]

Elephant Gatling is not an instantaneous attack its an attacks that deals massive damage after multiple hits, it would be useless on Pica just as Grizzly Magnum was, like i have been saying multiple times before if Oda didnt troll Pica then truly Zoro would not have been able to corner him like that, Pica is a master CoO user and every time he felt danger coming he always turned to stone before anything happened to him, except when Oda didnt want it so.

People have a miss conception that you can find Pica with CoO which isnt true, Pica's devil fruit allows him to assimilate with the earth, he is not controlling the earth like some MECHA but he actually becomes the earth he controls with his flesh body being somewhere within the earth, if you use CoO to try and find him you would just pick up the earth he is controlling since the earth is Pica himself, the only way to find Pica was to look for the moving rocks as he moves his flesh body from point A to point B.

You are describing precisely what Pica's ability is not. Pica can control rocks his body is touching. that all.

I think the manga made it more than clear that CoO can be used to find Pica:

 

[nik87]

I think the manga made it more than clear that CoO can be used to find Pica:

Why did Luffy attack the head of the Golem where Pica wasnt if CoO can find him?

 

[Fox666]

Why did Luffy attack the head of the Golem where Pica wasnt if CoO can find him?

He had no reason to until that point.

 

[Nie Li]

You are describing precisely what Pica's ability is not. Pica can control rocks his body is touching. that all.

I think the manga made it more than clear that CoO can be used to find Pica:

What do those panels have to do with the topic if they aren't showing any of the characters viewing Pica's aura?
Also, Zoro has shown CoO since long before that scene.

I think Luffy is fast enough to break down the stone statue just like Zoro did and just continue to break the pieces until Pica is hit (it was supposedly because of the speed Zoro was thrown at him + Pica didn't expecting him that he didn't react in time, shit happens).
Other strong characters like Doflamingo himself could obviously beat Pica because he has shown the ability to slash up even the whole kingdom with his threads if he wanted to and to just turn the environment into threads, but it's also true that other characters like Cracker haven't shown the ability to deal with Pica's fruit. Yes, almost any pirate in the series can break stone. The deal here is the size, the fact the the stone regenerates, that Pica can't be traced just with CoO or Zoro would have, and that he can instantly flee through the stone he's in contact with to get away and keep just sneak-attacking or creating new giant golems to control.

 

[Shasha23]

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You are describing precisely what Pica's ability is not. Pica can control rocks his body is touching. that all.

Dude Pica is an assimilation human, he doesn't drive rocks like a mecha but he controls rocks the he assimilates.(Pica become the rocks)assimilates
You cant pick up his aura(flesh) since he is the rock, you would just pick up the rock, CoO picks up the voice/soul/intent of a person, but Pica's ego is the rock so you can only pick that up his voice/soul/intent that is the rock since he has become the rock

I think the manga made it more than clear that CoO can be used to find Pica

It made it clear in what way?
By Luffy, Zoro, Kyros, Rebecca or with Viola whose devil fruit can see throw anything failing to see throw Pica?

Can you go back and please see what the power of the Ishi Ishi no Mi is please, since you have clearly missed what its power is!

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What do those panels have to do with the topic if they aren't showing any of the characters viewing Pica's aura?
Also, Zoro has shown CoO since long before that scene.

Certain people here more and more are really into using strawman arguments
Thats why majority of the old school posters have left because of nonsense like this

 

[jaymizzo]

Yes, because Pica is the rock and he doesn't move around. Zoro without CoO quickly noticed the pattern, Im sure Luffy can as well.

You're all out here trying to make Picas DF to be OP when it so clearly isn't. He assimilates rocks that don't change properties. They don't get harder, they don't do anything special. Its just a mass of rocks that can be pummeled and destroyed.

Pica running away makes his DF OP... You lot man.

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Certain people here more and more are really into using strawman arguments
Thats why majority of the old school posters have left because of nonsense like this

Yeah, by the time the board is empty, one of you might feel the need to actually post some proof.

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Can we please stop to discuss again about Zolo? It is so f... annoying. Check the last 150 pages. Everything was said already.

Until a mod actually does something, any change in discussion will last one or two pages. This behavior is being enabled.

 

[nik87]

I wonder if people would dismiss Pica's ability if it was owned by a character that has a YC rank or by a Yonko.
Would the argument be "It's just rocks, man..."?

 

[jaymizzo]

I wonder if people would dismiss Pica's ability if it was owned by a character that has a YC rank or by a Yonko.
Would the argument be "It's just rocks, man..."?

Yehp.

 

[thedude]

Posters leave because swordbois make everything about Zoro. Now we are obsessing over freaking Pica, just to make Zoro stronger. Nik claims he's above guys like Katakuri. It's all so silly, and it's so all consuming in terms of the discussions, that people just leave. It's boring. Enough already!

Pica is strong. He isn't Jack or Katakuri or Cracker strong.

 

[Nie Li]

He had no reason to until that point.

Why not? If Luffy could see with his CoO that Pica wasn't there.

You're all out here trying to make Picas DF to be OP when it so clearly isn't. He assimilates rocks that don't change properties. They don't get harder, they don't do anything special. Its just a mass of rocks that can be pummeled and destroyed.

Pica running away makes his DF OP... You lot man.

Pica "running away" is just part of his fighting style. He obviously can't just defeat some OP characters, but if they can't defeat him either it's a tie.
"It's just rocks" isn't very convincing. Before Luffy had any haki, would you say "It's just rubber"? Or that Gear 3 "is just flesh. Just inflated"?
The size "Is just a big rock with water on it". Size matters. I can break a bone with my strength, but I wouldn't be able to break the bone of a giant. Especially if said giant had hyper regeneration and the ability to just have his soul abandon his body to the ground and grow a new body from there. That's basically Pica. He could even just create a giant golem like the one he created but keep it's feet on the ground instead of walking around, and control it from underneath.

Of course Pica isn't on the level of a Yonkou and there are plenty of characters other than Zoro that could actually finish him off. Without his fruit he's a complete joke, but his fruit is a very strong one.

Yeah, by the time the board is empty, one of you might feel the need to actually post some proof.

I don't know anything about old school posters or whatever, but "post some proof"? Where's the proof Pica can be found with CoO? No one did, and Zoro has CoO.

 

[jaymizzo]

Posters leave because swordbois make everything about Zoro. Now we are obsessing over freaking Pica, just to make Zoro stronger. Nik claims he's above guys like Katakuri. It's all so silly, and it's so all consuming in terms of the discussions, that people just leave. It's boring. Enough already!

Pica is strong. He isn't Jack or Katakuri or Cracker strong.

Hannibal who actually has input into the board has been banned many times. The consistent trolling by these guys is just left to it.
If everyone decided to just troll, this section would be dead.

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Pica "running away" is just part of his fighting style. He obviously can't just defeat some OP characters, but if they can't defeat him either it's a tie.
"It's just rocks" isn't very convincing. Before Luffy had any haki, would you say "It's just rubber"? Or that Gear 3 "is just flesh. Just inflated"?
The size "Is just a big rock with water on it". Size matters. I can break a bone with my strength, but I wouldn't be able to break the bone of a giant. Especially if said giant had hyper regeneration and the ability to just have his soul abandon his body to the ground and grow a new body from there. That's basically Pica. He could even just create a giant golem like the one he created but keep it's feet on the ground instead of walking around, and control it from underneath.

That fighting style is called: losing

 

[Nie Li]

That fighting style is called: losing

100% disagree.

 

[jaymizzo]

100% disagree.

Its not something you can disagree on. Winning and Losing are pretty well defined.

 

[Nie Li]

Its not something you can disagree on. Winning and Losing are pretty well defined.

Except that by your definition any character that relies on sneak attacks or simply dodges attacks during the fight loses it.

I can disagree with your views if you're just making up the definition of losing.

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Not to mention you just went straight to "his fighting style = losing and you can't disagree with me" instead to really answering anything to what I said or the proof I asked for. Yet you complain about not adding to the board and how swordbois don't proof what they say and should banned.

Well. I've made my points clear about Pica. You're free to change the subject if you don't want to talk about Pica with anyone.

 

[jaymizzo]

Except that by your definition any character that relies on sneak attacks or simply dodges attacks during the fight loses it.

Not to mention you just went straight to "his fighting style = losing and you can't disagree with me"

Sure. Sneak attacks are the same as running away.

I think you are right on this as well, running away is the same as a tie. Running around in a boxing ring = tie for both fighters. Bruh.

 

[nik87]

People just like to dismiss Pica because he is Doffy's underling without looking objectively at his abilities which are troublesome for many.
If people leave the discussion it is because of such dismissals. Also, calling people trolls because they disagree with your opinion...
Pica is the master of hide and seek game. He cannot defeat opponents who have enough DC to shield themselves from his attacks but defeating Pica is an entirely different matter. Characters wont magically get required DC because a forum user dismissed Pica. If you want to blame someone, look in the mirror.

 

[HereNThere]

Robin yes, Nami no. Nami is not the type that focuses on physical strength, she usually overpowers the opponents through her "witchcraft".
Robin, hella yes. I expect huge feats from her. She could probably tango with the Numbers or maybe even with Smoothie.

It's not her focus, but I can see small physical feats from Nami. At least, I'd like too. The start of the timeskip implied and even shown that she did grow decently stronger, but she's not shown anything since then.

I hope Robin goes full judo.

I don't think either will. Robin will still continue to use her devil fruit while Nami will still rely on her cunning and weather rod, especially since she's still the weakest or one of the weakest members of the crew.

Nami can still be a member of the weak trio, they'd just be weak in comparison to the rest. Robin will assuredly use her fruit, but given it's nature, she could use some increased physical strength to increase it's effectiveness/save energy on her part.

 

[nik87]

It's not her focus, but I can see small physical feats from Nami. At least, I'd like too. The start of the timeskip implied and even shown that she did grow decently stronger, but she's not shown anything since then.

I hope Robin goes full judo.

Oda saved everything for Wano, it's been long and annoying but it's here.
Her physical feats will probably be assisted by wind force.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Yehp.

Yonko commander level rocks