One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

[goldb]

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[Nie Li]

And who knows how many more "exceptions" there are. As you usually have to be a vice admiral before you can be an admiral (correct me if I'm wrong), you'd have to get pretty strong.

I agree about some Vice Admirals (other than Garp) being really world abover others, but you don't have to be a vice admiral before you can be an admiral, since none of the two new admirals after the timeskip were vice admirals.

 

[M3J]

Don't remember, but that was probably out of desperation more than anything as they needed admirals quickly? Maybe the vice admirals they were hoping to promote refused it for freedom.

 

[Kuroiyaiba]

Don't remember, but that was probably out of desperation more than anything as they needed admirals quickly? Maybe the vice admirals they were hoping to promote refused it for freedom.

Its was mentioned by Fujitora during the Dress Rosa arc and translated as "World Military Draft", something that Akainu did after becoming fleet admiral. I think it was done in order to add more military powers from outside to the navy instead of simply shifting vice admirals in a higher position.

 

[Nie Li]

It would be impossible in the real world where we're all normal humans to just have some civilian become the third highest ranked marine rank, but it suits the One Piece world, where those positions imply being overpowered more than anything else.

 

[Kuroiyaiba]

It would be impossible in the real world where we're all normal humans to just have some civilian become the third highest ranked marine rank, but it suits the One Piece world, where those positions imply being overpowered more than anything else.

Yeah, I agree, the One Piece world is full of things unthinkable in our real world. Though I recall it was not told yet wether Isshou (Fujitora) was a "just" a civilian or was serving in a country's army before being appointed as an admiral due to the militairy draft. Same goes for Ryokugyu (Green Bull). Isshou was alrdy hinted to possess fighting powers befitting his position.
So I can't wait to see these two new admirals in action. Hope to see parts of their fight against Sabo and the other 3 RA commanders or at least get some further information on the battle, soon.
I also wonder if the 2 new admirals are on the same level as Akainu and Aokiji (fighting power wise).

 

[thedude]

Yeah, I agree, the One Piece world is full of things unthinkable in our real world. Though I recall it was not told yet wether Isshou (Fujitora) was a "just" a civilian or was serving in a country's army before being appointed as an admiral due to the militairy draft. Same goes for Ryokugyu (Green Bull). Isshou was alrdy hinted to possess fighting powers befitting his position.
So I can't wait to see these two new admirals in action. Hope to see parts of their fight against Sabo and the other 3 RA commanders or at least get some further information on the battle, soon.
I also wonder if the 2 new admirals are on the same level as Akainu and Aokiji (fighting power wise).

I think they are. Fujitora was already shown to be quite a beast despite his blindness, even without his gravity powers. I don't doubt that both are crazy strong. He'd have beaten Luffy if he actually wanted to in Dressrosa.

 

[goldb]

11 Vice-Admirals would loose to the 11 Supernovas back in Shabondy.

That'd be before any of them had learnt haki so I don't really see that happening. Heck, Luffy couldn't even touch Smoker back then and he wasn't even a Vice Admiral. As we got glimpses in the war, the majority( if not all of them) are Rokushiki AND haki users, on top of some of their individual devil fruit abilities.

Unless they were maybe fighting 11 Maynards, then I'd give that win to the Vice Admirals.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Two VA's that were considered for Admiral positions before purple tiger and green bull.

Garp, Gionta, Tokikake, Tsuru... All monsters above the standard VA.

I bet Ronse was a monster as well, we just don't view him that way because WB neg differ him.

 

[Fox666]

Theset two characters were introduced because there was practically no candidate for Admiral among the others.

 

[thedude]

Theset two characters were introduced because there was practically no candidate for Admiral among the others.

Right, Oda realized he didn't make anyone in that class strong enough to be considered, created those two as an answer to an SBS question, and then actually added them to the manga later on.

Ultimately, I think he couldn't have Admiral class people as VA's for the purposes of the Marineford war. It would imbalance the arc and power levels if there were multiple people at that level. As it stands, we had the 3 admirals, Garp and Sengoku at that level. Then Doflamingo and Mihawk likely just below that level. Some of the higher end VA's could be in that range with Mihawk and Doflamingo, but none were on the admiral level.

 

[Kuroiyaiba]

Also don't forget about Dalmatian (the guy with the dalmatian dog fruit). During Marineford arc he did some serious Shigan damage on Luffy. Pretty sure he's also above average within the vice admiral ranks.

 

[Fox666]

Also don't forget about Dalmatian (the guy with the dalmatian dog fruit). During Marineford arc he did some serious Shigan damage on Luffy. Pretty sure he's also above average within the vice admiral ranks.

Luffy was already in a near-death state. Rob Lucci would have finished Luffy there...

 

[Monox D. I-Fly]

Also don't forget about Dalmatian (the guy with the dalmatian dog fruit). During Marineford arc he did some serious Shigan damage on Luffy. Pretty sure he's also above average within the vice admiral ranks.

Any carnivorous Zoan would do some serious Shigan damage on Luffy.

 

[M3J]

Its was mentioned by Fujitora during the Dress Rosa arc and translated as "World Military Draft", something that Akainu did after becoming fleet admiral. I think it was done in order to add more military powers from outside to the navy instead of simply shifting vice admirals in a higher position.

Ah so basically, it doesn't mean the VA are weak, just that Akainu wants the strongest possible.

It would be impossible in the real world where we're all normal humans to just have some civilian become the third highest ranked marine rank, but it suits the One Piece world, where those positions imply being overpowered more than anything else.

Well, OP is fiction after all, where anything can happen as the mangaka wants it to, and he's established that.

 

[Kuroiyaiba]

Luffy was already in a near-death state. Rob Lucci would have finished Luffy there...

Any carnivorous Zoan would do some serious Shigan damage on Luffy.

Yes Luffy was seriously damaged, making it a hard to measure at this point, but idk, I was under the impression that his Rokushiki level was easily above Lucci's.

 

[Nie Li]

Yes Luffy was seriously damaged at that point making it a hard to measure at this point, but idk, I was under the impression that his Rokushiki level was easily above Lucci's.

Don't disrespect Lucci.
Some viceadmirals are (were) above him pre-timeskip because of stuff like haki, but he's been hyped time and time again as the strongest member in the whole history of CP9 and we still have to see how he ranks now in the CP0.
Two years ago he showed advanced techniques of every of the six forms of Rokushiki and he's still the only character to show the Rokuougan (for which it's been said you have to first perfectly dominate all six Rokushiki forms, something none of the other CP9 hadn't achieved despite being able to use the six techniques).
I don't think we have seen a single character so far with Rokushiki mastery above Lucci's, much less "easily" above him.
Now that Lucci has properly developed the two kinds of haki, even characters that could have had the upper hand on him thanks to using haki in tandem with rokushiki techniques should now be inferior to him.

 

[Kuroiyaiba]

Don't disrespect Lucci.

This was not meant disrespectfully. I agree on Lucci being a beast not only devil fruit wise, but also in terms of combat skills . He's a martial arts and Rokushiki prodigy. Also just as you mentioned he is steadily increasing his combat skills, somewhat like Luffy but in a more serious manner. I rather wanted to point out were I suspect Dalmatian to stand power level wise.

I don't think we have seen a single character so far with Rokushiki mastery above Lucci's, much less "easily" above him.

I think it's hard to tell since CP9 were the first Rokushiki users (with named attacks and so on) and also the ones getting the most spotlight (focussed on their fighting skills) so far.

 

[Fox666]

Some viceadmirals are (were) above him pre-timeskip because of stuff like haki

The Kuja can use Haki, and aren't necessarily strong

Also according to the databooks, Rokushiki is related to Haki and the CP9 were Haki users.

 

[Nie Li]

The Kuja can use Haki, and aren't necessarily strong

Also according to the databooks, Rokushiki is related to Haki and the CP9 were Haki users.

Haki is related to Rokushiki in ways still unknown to us readers but Rokushiki doesn't imply Haki.
If Lucci and the rest were truly capable of haki as we know it then Lucci would have pierced Luffy with his shower of shigans right at the start of their fight and that would have been the end of it, but he couldn't pierce Luffy despite his hardening rokushiki abilities because he couldn't use haki.

Kuja can use haki but that's besides the point.

We were talking about Rokushiki users who may be above Lucci, so my point was that if some viceadmiral who knew some rokushiki was really superior to Lucci it was because of haki, and not because of being more proficient at Rokushiki than him, and now that difference doesn't even exist anymore.

 

[Fox666]

As far we know the Vice-Admirals were said to be Haki users because of Rokushiki.

Nothing suggests that the Haki of Vice-Admirals was above Rob Lucci, or that they could use Haki in a way that Rob Lucci couldn't.