One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

[goldb]

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[nik87]

If it's about a plot element - bypassing Kaido's durability using the most advanced CoA we know feels similar to FS/Katakuri?

Advanced CoA isnt a plot element, it is a necessity for his future fights, without it he stands no chance against Kaido, Akainu and Blackbeard and BM.
Only FS is a plot element, to make it easier for Oda to keep Luffy alive/prevent situations which would kill a crew member and alike.
Also, gives Oda a perfect tool for awesome cliffhangers.

 

[Ramen]

Advanced CoA isnt a plot element, it is a necessity for his future fights, without it he stands no chance against Kaido, Akainu and Blackbeard and BM.
Only FS is a plot element, to make it easier for Oda to keep Luffy alive/prevent situations which would kill a crew member and alike.
Also, gives Oda a perfect tool for awesome cliffhangers.

Genuine question:

Who do you believe will be the 5 strongest EOS characters. In order from 1-5.

 

[nik87]

Genuine question:
Who do you believe will be the 5 strongest EOS characters. IN order from 1-5.

Depends on how Oda handles power scaling.
If it ends up like Naruto, then Luffy and possibly Zoro alongside final villain will be god tiers without anyone else being close.
In that case, the villain would be nr1, Luffy and Zoro would be nr 2 and nr 3 while 4 and 5 could be Kaido and Blackbeard.

If there is no god tiers and power remains relatively close between top tiers, in that case the final villain would probably still remain nr1 but is unclear if that villain would be number one if Kaido were still alive which is probably unlikely.
Kaido~final villain>Zoro>=Luffy>Mihawk.

 

[Brandish μ]

Zoro > Luffy is a topic I think we can shelve... it goes nowhere and is largely denied by the manga. We can revisit if nik87's theories come true / after the fight vs Kaido.

 

[King Moe]

How strong will Smoker be EOS? Seems like he's trailing so far behind everyone else that it's hard to see him as a top tier.

I hope him and X-Drake end up being full fledged admirals.

We haven't seen him since PH, so we can't say that for sure. Though judging on how he is and his recent movie film while non-canon, Oda haven't forgotten his importance to him and the story, so he definitely Garp of the series and be Fleet Admiral at EOS. Being one of the few to give challenge to Luffy even as PK while X-Drake is more like going to be next Vice-Admiral or Admiral depending about him as still unsure.

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I've seen a couple concept arts but it's weird, with G4 we've seen a speed, tank, and power type. It's hard to think what Oda could introduce to this already.

Maybe a full body haki transformation? I'm not too sure either.

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Yea end of series.

He is one of my favourite characters and I liked his devil fruit. It really is a shame he's become such a weakling.

Not really a weakling as he much stronger than he is as only people he lost to are Law and Doflamingo and understandable with them while Vergo he did what he did to help Law in 2 vs 1 fight, so not counting that one as honest fight if your purposely giving fight to help someone. Smoker will come back stronger, so don't see that as otherwise wouldn't get big role in last movie if Oda didn't think he be important in the future.

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Depends on how Oda handles power scaling.
If it ends up like Naruto, then Luffy and possibly Zoro alongside final villain will be god tiers without anyone else being close.
In that case, the villain would be nr1, Luffy and Zoro would be nr 2 and nr 3 while 4 and 5 could be Kaido and Blackbeard.

If there is no god tiers and power remains relatively close between top tiers, in that case the final villain would probably still remain nr1 but is unclear if that villain would be number one if Kaido were still alive which is probably unlikely.
Kaido~final villain>Zoro>=Luffy>Mihawk.

Zoro is not his Sasuke. That would be Kidd and Law. He is fine being under Luffy, Zoro at EOS will be Top 10, but Top 5 will be filled by handful of others above him.

 

[Ramen]

We haven't seen him since PH, so we can't say that for sure. Though judging on how he is and his recent movie film while non-canon, Oda haven't forgotten his importance to him and the story, so he definitely Garp of the series and be Fleet Admiral at EOS. Being one of the few to give challenge to Luffy even as PK while X-Drake is more like going to be next Vice-Admiral or Admiral depending about him as still unsure.

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Not really a weakling as he much stronger than he is as only people he lost to are Law and Doflamingo and understandable with them while Vergo he did what he did to help Law in 2 vs 1 fight, so not counting that one as honest fight if your purposely giving fight to help someone. Smoker will come back stronger, so don't see that as otherwise wouldn't get big role in last movie if Oda didn't think he be important in the future.

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Zoro is not his Sasuke. That would be Kidd and Law. He is fine being under Luffy, Zoro at EOS will be Top 10, but Top 5 will be filled by handful of others above him.

He hasn't won a fight in the NW.

 

[King Moe]

He hasn't won a fight in the NW.

That his first debut in NW, though, not constant one. Losing again to Law and Doflamingo isn't really end of him. Don't overthink too much on that. He be coming back later to continue his chase on Strawhats and be stronger than before.

 

[Ramen]

That his first debut in NW, though, not constant one. Losing again to Law and Doflamingo isn't really end of him. Don't overthink too much on that. He be coming back later to continue his chase on Strawhats and be stronger than before.

Emphasis on the "later" part.

 

[King Moe]

Emphasis on the "later" part.

If Law can come back looking stronger after losing to Doflamingo last time we saw him fight, then Smoker is in same case like many characters.

 

[Ramen]

If Law can come back looking stronger after losing to Doflamingo last time we saw him fight, then Smoker is in same case like many characters.

That's just headcanon. As of right now, he's a weakling. Nothing more.

 

[King Moe]

That's just headcanon. As of right now, he's a weakling. Nothing more.

Nah, that's your headcannon, he isn't weakling given how Oda saw him as one of Luffy's closest people outside of the crew when facing Bullet in final fight. Law was among that group as well. You shouldn't take fights seriously thinking someone won't come back stronger than before because they lost.

 

[Ramen]

Nah, that's your headcannon, he isn't weakling given how Oda saw him as one of Luffy's closest people outside of the crew when facing Bullet in final fight. Law was among that group as well. You shouldn't take fights seriously thinking someone won't come back stronger than before because they lost.

That's not even canon.

He's been destroyed in every single fight in the NW.

 

[nik87]

@mods What fanboy nonsense?

 

[Pirate Queen]

@mods What fanboy nonsense?

Crazy Theories and Predictions

Welcome to the featured threads of the One Piece section! This is a thread to post any theories that are short and fun, but do not need a whole thread for them. You can also post predictions - be it for the near future or distant of the story. Try not too make long theories since the purpose...

mangahelpers.com

This is the appropriate thread for you nik. If you took your posts over there, there wouldn't be an issue.

 

[jaymizzo]

@mods What fanboy nonsense?

Trevor's Axiom

 

[nik87]

Crazy Theories and Predictions

Welcome to the featured threads of the One Piece section! This is a thread to post any theories that are short and fun, but do not need a whole thread for them. You can also post predictions - be it for the near future or distant of the story. Try not too make long theories since the purpose...

mangahelpers.com

This is the appropriate thread for you nik. If you took your posts over there, there wouldn't be an issue.

Trevor's Axiom

Powerscaling related stuff discussed in power scaling thread is the right thing to do in the right place.
Discussing future events cannot be labeled as fanboy nonsense unless there is one who can see there future here.

 

[M3J]

Zoro stuff should stay in Zoro thread because it has little to do with power level and more to do specifically with Zoro.

 

[King Moe]

That's not even canon.

He's been destroyed in every single fight in the NW.

One of them he give the fight to Law to get his heart, so that is uncounted, but losing to Law and Doflamingo isn't something to be ashame off especially Doflamingo won against so many characters except against Luffy, so again your overreacting a beat thinking his importance to the story is done and won't come back. If Law still have his despite his fight history before arc started, then Smoker is on same stance as well. Losing a battle doesn't mean Oda gave up on a character and their involvement.

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Zoro stuff should stay in Zoro thread because it has little to do with power level and more to do specifically with Zoro.

Idk about that as even then headcannon stuff like 'Zoro is stronger than Luffy or Solo Kaido' shouldn't even be discussed about when it's clear that there is no truth to them at all when canon says otherwise. There is difference between theories and pure headcannon when you bring something up that isn't in the series.

 

[Ramen]

One of them he give the fight to Law to get his heart, so that is uncounted, but losing to Law and Doflamingo isn't something to be ashame off especially Doflamingo won against so many characters except against Luffy, so again your overreacting a beat thinking his importance to the story is done and won't come back. If Law still have his despite his fight history before arc started, then Smoker is on same stance as well. Losing a battle doesn't mean Oda gave up on a character and their involvement.

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Idk about that as even then headcannon stuff like 'Zoro is stronger than Luffy or Solo Kaido' shouldn't even be discussed about when it's clear that there is no truth to them at all when canon says otherwise. There is difference between theories and pure headcannon when you bring something up that isn't in the series.

I'm really not. He can be a considered a weakling right now whether you like it or not. He hasn't won a fight yet in the NW.

 

[M3J]

Idk about that as even then headcannon stuff like 'Zoro is stronger than Luffy or Solo Kaido' shouldn't even be discussed about when it's clear that there is no truth to them at all when canon says otherwise. There is difference between theories and pure headcannon when you bring something up that isn't in the series.

I don't care, the discussion is specifically about Zoro and his strength/power, and it's way too repetitive and of no substance to be in this thread. If it was broader, then it'd make sense, but it really isn't.

At least Sanji makes a bit more sense.