One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Ramen]

Ties happen as not everytime it's a straightforward who stronger than who at times. He is, but again your opinion.

You have 33 people above Smoker. Do you not know how ties work in lists. Should I show you what your list really looks like?

 

[Nie Li]

He is, but YC4 at best as Apoo and Gifters hurts too much to say he solo them without help. Probably will face Orochi and Kanjuro, Smoothie, or maybe Queen. Though all he will need a team with to beat them.

"Show me a feat of a Gifter hurting Zoro". You can't, he wasn't. You only saw him panting while fighting them in huge numbers with the huge wound on his chest. And next chapter when he was shown again he wasn't even panting anymore while fighting them and that was before the reinforcements came. He just got over the wound.

 

[King Moe]

You think Zoro is YC4 and needs a team but Sanji is YC1 and can beat King on his own.

Nah, Sanji could get team with Macro to beat King, I said I am open to team fights for King if need be.

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You have 33 people above Smoker. Do you not know how ties work in lists. Should I show you what your list really looks like?

No thanks, I seen yours before, not really into it.

 

[Nie Li]

Nah, Sanji could get team with Macro to beat King, I said I am open to team fights for King if need be.

But you rank Sanji with King in your power rank.

 

[King Moe]

"Show me a feat of a Gifter hurting Zoro". You can't, he wasn't. You only saw him panting while fighting them in huge numbers with the huge wound on his chest. And next chapter when he was shown again he wasn't even panting anymore while fighting them and that was before the reinforcements came. He just got over the wound.

I got one of him still struggling with them if you like and one Apoo hurting him easily. Again nothing push me to say he is above many. I am sorry, but that's reality if his performance are hinting that.

 

[Ramen]

No thanks, I seen yours before, not really into it.

So you admit to being wrong and don't want to be proven wrong. I get it.

 

[King Moe]

But you rank Sanji with King in your power rank.

It depends on how much we see in the fight, but so far by blocking King's attack and going to survive the next attack from him, it does push Sanji is capable even by himself. Though again I don't mind solo or team on how fight goes.

 

[Ramen]

Nah, Sanji could get team with Macro to beat King, I said I am open to team fights for King if need be.

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No thanks, I seen yours before, not really into it.

You think the gap between them is that big? lol

 

[King Moe]

So you admit to being wrong and don't want to be proven wrong. I get it.

Nah. Now your putting words in mouth that was never stated. Listen agree to disagree, but your not changing my mind.

 

[Nie Li]

I got one of him still struggling with them if you like and one Apoo hurting him easily. Again nothing push me to say he is above many. I am sorry, but that's reality if his performance are hinting that.

There's no picture of him struggling. There's only one in which he pants and it's just after "being hurt easily by Apoo". Somehow it's a huge deal that Apoo hurt him, but you deliberately ignore the wound when discussing something that happened literally seconds after that.
You know that Sanji would have gotten the same exact wound in that situation from Apoo, right?

See why I tell you that you're biased and that the discussion is pointless? Not precisely because I don't have arguments.

 

[Ramen]

It depends on how much we see in the fight, but so far by blocking King's attack and going to survive the next attack from him, it does push Sanji is capable even by himself. Though again I don't mind solo or team on how fight goes.

How does that prove anything. He blocked one attack.

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Nah. Now your putting words in mouth that was never stated. Listen agree to disagree, but your not changing my mind.

If Smoker is a top 30 character, how can 33 characters be before him?

"Can't change my mind" lol.

 

[King Moe]

Also: if you saw my posts on the weekly thread, you'll see I said I'm eager to see how Sanji survives that: either because the RS is surprisingly more resilient than we thought or because he somehow manages to dodge. If he takes the full attack with just his body's resistance, it's almost certain he wouldn't be able to continue fighting afterwards, but I don't want Sanji out of the count, I want to see him get a full fight: I just don't think his opponent will be King, if it ends up being Him, I'll tell you you were right on that, don't worry.

Although I'm still waiting for you to say you were wrong about Smoker being Top 30, since you're saying things like "admit it when you're wrong", admit it.


We have discussed the Apoo and Gifters things MANY times over, and I have given you many reasonings those times, do you really want to repeat that? It's biased how you bring him down from those. Luffy was much more hurt than Apoo and Zoro was actually carrying Luffy to safety, together with Kidd and Killer who were also "running away" (they were incredibly surrounded and faced with an opponent whose ability they didn't understand). Seconds after that, Zoro cut through hundreds of Gifters despite having a big open wound from Apoo on his chest and he received no further damage nor was defeated by the Gifters. So how does any of that bring him down? He will still get a full fight against someone after all of this, don't worry.

Not really an excuse given they choose to go into brawl to fight, so what do they expect when facing that many especially Zoro who was suppose to stop Luffy, but made it worse. If he couldn't even try to attack Apoo after he got hurt, but fall on his knees and choose to run, I can't respect that much Zoro 'could do more' if he choose not to. Gifters was still holding him back though and we don't see number count of how many he cut down, only a few. Again performance is not working much on what we seen of him.

 

[Ramen]

@Moegara How does beating Page one put him on King's level?

 

[Nie Li]

Not really an excuse given they choose to go into brawl to fight, so what do they expect when facing that many especially Zoro who was suppose to stop Luffy, but made it worse. If he couldn't even try to attack Apoo after he got hurt, but fall on his knees and choose to run, I can't respect that much Zoro 'could do more' if he choose not to. Gifters was still holding him back though and we don't see number count of how many he cut down, only a few. Again performance is not working much on what we seen of him.

So what did Luffy do against Apoo? He fainted for a minute. Do you think he's weaker than Apoo and "YC4 at most"? His feat there was worse than Zoro's.

 

[King Moe]

There's no picture of him struggling. There's only one in which he pants and it's just after "being hurt easily by Apoo". Somehow it's a huge deal that Apoo hurt him, but you deliberately ignore the wound when discussing something that happened literally seconds after that.
You know that Sanji would have gotten the same exact wound in that situation from Apoo, right?

See why I tell you that you're biased and that the discussion is pointless? Not precisely because I don't have arguments.

Huffing and Puffing shows he is struggling with numbers of the Gifters combine with power. Only huge if you choose to run away and not fight back after 'Enma Hype' we heard months about.

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How does that prove anything. He blocked one attack.

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If Smoker is a top 30 character, how can 33 characters be before him?

"Can't change my mind" lol.

He survive the next one, he blocking more than one.

Ties don't push narrative like that lol.

 

[Nie Li]

@Moegara How does beating Page one put him on King's level?

So far Page One seems to be one of the weakests Tobi Roppo. I'd give him props for his resilience but that was explained to be a shared trait of all ancient zoans, so no idea.

Anyway, for starters, I don't even think Sanji defeated Page One, and there's not a single proof that he did.

 

[King Moe]

So what did Luffy do against Apoo? He fainted for a minute. Do you think he's weaker than Apoo and "YC4 at most"? His feat there was worse than Zoro's.

Luffy bounce instantly, that wasn't him fainting as getting hurt before and coming right back is his thing. Zoro was out for days and needed healing. Not same thing.

 

[Ramen]

Ties don't push narrative like that lol.

What does that mean? According to you, there are 33 characters stronger than Smoker. So how is he top 30 again?

 

[Nie Li]

Huffing and Puffing shows he is struggling with numbers of the Gifters combine with power. Only huge if you choose to run away and not fight back after 'Enma Hype' we heard months about.

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He survive the next one, he blocking more than one.

Ties don't push narrative like that lol.

If two character tie at place 3, then there's no place 4, the number gets skipped to 5.

That's how tops work.

 

[King Moe]

So far Page One seems to be one of the weakests Tobi Roppo. I'd give him props for his resilience but that was explained to be a shared trait of all ancient zoans, so no idea.

Anyway, for starters, I don't even think Sanji defeated Page One, and there's not a single proof that he did.

Nah PO was defeated by Sanji and there is proof to that especially his absence being hone until much later instead being with Drake and Hawkins pushes that he was beaten, not active.

Also nah, not really weakest as even fodders praise him and his sister being durable around and amaze they can be hurt, so Sanji and Luffy hurt them with ease and didn't need much.