One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Nie Li]

Cool. Just wanted have clear debate as even with our disagreements, doesn't mean I get upset.

Well, then I'll assure you I'm not popping a vein either, don't worry.

In the end, Smoker is a weakling. He isn't a top 30 character right now.

This was the line that started this Smoker thing.

"Top 30 character". Clear as day. Not "A character in the top 30 highest tiers", but a "top 30 character".

 

[King Moe]

Well, then I'll assure you I'm not popping a vein either, don't worry.


This was the line that started this Smoker thing.

"Top 30 character". Clear as day. Not "A character in the top 30 highest tiers", but a "top 30 character".

Good to know.

 

[Nie Li]

Well, I guess since we haven't seen Smoker since PH and we have to assume he's now stronger than Doflamingo and that he has developed some special form of haki that allows him to be intangible even when faced by Cracker and barrage attacks from his clones, something he has never been able of doing before, I should also assume that since it's been a while since we saw Robin in a fight, she probably has surpassed Doflamingo and Luffy and has awakened her fruit and will probably solo Queen and Perospero together.

Blind assumptions. We can't talk facts about things that haven't been shown or at least talked about in the manga.

 

[Ramen]

Well, then I'll assure you I'm not popping a vein either, don't worry.


This was the line that started this Smoker thing.

"Top 30 character". Clear as day. Not "A character in the top 30 highest tiers", but a "top 30 character".

What is your current PL for the SH?

 

[Nie Li]

What is your current PL for the SH?

As in an in-crew ranking?

 

[Ramen]

As in an in-crew ranking?

Yea.

 

[King Moe]

Well, I guess since we haven't seen Smoker since PH and we have to assume he's now stronger than Doflamingo and that he has developed some special form of haki that allows him to be intangible even when faced by Cracker and barrage attacks from his clones, something he has never been able of doing before, I should also assume that since it's been a while since we saw Robin in a fight, she probably has surpassed Doflamingo and Luffy and has awakened her fruit and will probably solo Queen and Perospero together.

Blind assumptions. We can't talk facts about things that haven't been shown or at least talked about in the manga.

Law going in after losing to Doffy. Oda doesn't last past defeats push they can't get stronger or train themselves, so why would he? Again your going be surprise going in if you think no one will develop. Smoker as well and to be honest a lot of Strawhats haven't shown what they can do in full fight for awhile, so we can't say for sure they not ready on their end to face YVs lvl opponents as seeing how things going, YVs will be their final opponents.

 

[Nie Li]

Yea.

I haven't given it much tought to be honest but I'll try to answer. The ones I'm more sure about are the top 4, the rest are... hard to rank, especially Robin and Nami.

1- Luffy. He'll always be on top of his own crew, no matter who joins he'll be (or become) stronger than them.
2- Zoro. I'm just basing this on his position on the crew. I don't know if there's an English term for it but in my language we call it "Primero de abordo". I guess it would be something similar to "Vicecaptain" but only when referring to crews on ships. It's true that he's lacking on recent feats but he's both the fighter of the crew and the one who makes decisions the few times Luffy isn't around (or at hard times like when he forced Usopp to apologize), and he's consistently be fighting the second strongest person of whatever crew or group the Strawhats have faced. For a guy obsessed with training and strength as he is, I have no doubt in my mind that he will keep being some that will follow Luffy from close behind (even if there's now a gap to fill after the Katakuri fight).
3- Sanji. I'm a huge fan of the Monster Trio. I have always placed Sanji in the third spot. He hasn't had a fight in some of the arcs, but when he does, he always fight the person who could argued to be the third strongest enemy, like Jyabura or Mr.2 (although Miss Double Finger should have been stronger than Mr.2 because of her rank, she clearly wasn't). And he usually makes something very smart behind the scenes on very important arcs like Arabasta, Enies Lobby or Skypiea. He has big brains.
4- Jinbe. As an ex-shichibukai who's able of pushing Big Mom back with a single punch, he's clearly top tier in the crew and he's hard to rank. He could possibly be stronger than Sanji if not for the Raid Suit power up. I don't think he was on the same top tier as Mihawk and Hancock or even Doflmingo as Shichibukai, though, so he gets the 4th position (if he was Mihawk tier he would be the strongest Strawhat).
5- Franky. I'm not very interested in his fights (I'm interested in his humor) but his wapometal Mechas are quite OP. Soon after the timeskip I even feared for a second that he could have jumped to second place in the crew, but no.
6- Nami. Controlling the weather is very OP. But it's hard to rank her because she hasn't had a proper fight in literally years.
7- Robin. Same. Very OP; her powers are usually an instant win or an instant lose, so she doesn't get many serious proper fights.
8- Brook. Skilled with the sword and his powers have many useful uses for spying mainly, but he's nowhere near the top Strawhats for me.
9- Chopper. Hard to rank him as well. He's very versatile and Monster Chopper is quite strong, but for a fully physical fighter his lack of proper haki makes him too weak by now. Monster Chopper was only impressive pre-TS. He's still a great doctor and all that, at least.
10- Usopp. I love Usopp and his sniping abilities but I don't think he would have the best chances of winning a fair 1vs1 against anyone in the crew. The way I see it he could win against some if they sparred many times, but he would lose more than he would win. Still a great funny character though.


I may have added too much explanations but I was also trying to justify the ranking to myself. lol

 

[King Moe]

Yea.

1. Luffy
2. Sanji
3. Jimbei
4. Zoro
5. Franky
6. Robin
7. Brook.
8. Usopp
9. Nami.
10. Chopper

This how things looking on who stronger than who.

 

[Ramen]

I haven't given it much tought to be honest but I'll try to answer. The ones I'm more sure about are the top 4, the rest are... hard to rank, especially Robin and Nami.

1- Luffy. He'll always be on top of his own crew, no matter who joins he'll be (or become) stronger than them.
2- Zoro. I'm just basing this on his position on the crew. I don't know if there's an English term for it but in my language we call it "Primero de abordo". I guess it would be something similar to "Vicecaptain" but only when referring to crews on ships. It's true that he's lacking on recent feats but he's both the fighter of the crew and the one who makes decisions the few times Luffy isn't around (or at hard times like when he forced Usopp to apologize), and he's consistently be fighting the second strongest person of whatever crew or group the Strawhats have faced. For a guy obsessed with training and strength as he is, I have no doubt in my mind that he will keep being some that will follow Luffy from close behind (even if there's now a gap to fill after the Katakuri fight).
3- Sanji. I'm a huge fan of the Monster Trio. I have always placed Sanji in the third spot. He hasn't had a fight in some of the arcs, but when he does, he always fight the person who could argued to be the third strongest enemy, like Jyabura or Mr.2 (although Miss Double Finger should have been stronger than Mr.2 because of her rank, she clearly wasn't). And he usually makes something very smart behind the scenes on very important arcs like Arabasta, Enies Lobby or Skypiea. He has big brains.
4- Jinbe. As an ex-shichibukai who's able of pushing Big Mom back with a single punch, he's clearly top tier in the crew and he's hard to rank. He could possibly be stronger than Sanji if not for the Raid Suit power up. I don't think he was on the same top tier as Mihawk and Hancock or even Doflmingo as Shichibukai, though, so he gets the 4th position (if he was Mihawk tier he would be the strongest Strawhat).
5- Franky. I'm not very interested in his fights (I'm interested in his humor) but his wapometal Mechas are quite OP. Soon after the timeskip I even feared for a second that he could have jumped to second place in the crew, but no.
6- Nami. Controlling the weather is very OP. But it's hard to rank her because she hasn't had a proper fight in literally years.
7- Robin. Same. Very OP; her powers are usually an instant win or an instant lose, so she doesn't get many serious proper fights.
8- Brook. Skilled with the sword and his powers have many useful uses for spying mainly, but he's nowhere near the top Strawhats for me.
9- Chopper. Hard to rank him as well. He's very versatile and Monster Chopper is quite strong, but for a fully physical fighter his lack of proper haki makes him too weak by now. Monster Chopper was only impressive pre-TS. He's still a great doctor and all that, at least.
10- Usopp. I love Usopp and his sniping abilities but I don't think he would have the best chances of winning a fair 1vs1 against anyone in the crew. The way I see it he could win against some if they sparred many times, but he would lose more than he would win. Still a great funny character though.


I may have added too much explanations but I was also trying to justify the ranking to myself. lol

I agree with this. I will say I think right now, Jinbei and Sanji are inter changeable.

 

[Nie Li]

Law going in after losing to Doffy. Oda doesn't last past defeats push they can't get stronger or train themselves, so why would he? Again your going be surprise going in if you think no one will develop. Smoker as well and to be honest a lot of Strawhats haven't shown what they can do in full fight for awhile, so we can't say for sure they not ready on their end to face YVs lvl opponents as seeing how things going, YVs will be their final opponents.

But we can't talk bout feats and strengths the manga hasn't confirmed to us. For all we know, if Smoker gets 10x times stronger during this time, so could Akainu, and going by that logic, they'd never reach him.

Of course Smoker can still grow stronger and of course the Strawhats are growing stronger, but don't get ahead of the manga.

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I agree with this. I will say I think right now, Jinbei and Sanji are inter changeable.

The only reason I'm rating Sanji 3 and Jimbe 4 is because I love the "monster trio" and the rivalry with Zoro and I don't want Sanji to fall behind in the crew, but pretty much yeah, they're around the same tier of power for now.

 

[King Moe]

I agree with this. I will say I think right now, Jinbei and Sanji are inter changeable.

Not really, but Jimbei and Zoro are given performance right now on Zoro, but can change when train himself better.

 

[Ramen]

Not really, but Jimbei and Zoro are given performance right now on Zoro, but can change when train himself better.

I don't agree.

 

[King Moe]

But we can't talk bout feats and strengths the manga hasn't confirmed to us. For all we know, if Smoker gets 10x times stronger during this time, so could Akainu, and going by that logic, they'd never reach him.

Of course Smoker can still grow stronger and of course the Strawhats are growing stronger, but don't get ahead of the manga.

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The only reason I'm rating Sanji 3 and Jimbe 4 is because I love the "monster trio" and the rivalry with Zoro and I don't want Sanji to fall behind in the crew, but pretty much yeah, they're around the same tier of power for now.

True, but just saying we have to expect that on them facing stronger foes and everyone going to get stronger. Don't rely on past fights as a way 'They aren't ready or going to fight because of 'blank' when that doesn't push how Oda go about fights later.

Sanji hasn't really fallen behind as if we talking on display, we have Zoro with his performance which can't see how he be above Jimbei, but in long run, both will surpass Jimbei fully given they have yet to reach their Prime and full potential.

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I don't agree.

I do especially going off on potential and latest chapter. Though of course they surpass Jimbei since they haven't reach their Prime and potential yet.

 

[Ramen]

True, but just saying we have to expect that on them facing stronger foes and everyone going to get stronger. Don't rely on past fights as a way 'They aren't ready or going to fight because of 'blank' when that doesn't push how Oda go about fights later.

Sanji hasn't really fallen behind as if we talking on display, we have Zoro with his performance which can't see how he be above Jimbei, but in long run, both will surpass Jimbei fully given they have yet to reach their Prime and full potential.

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I do especially going off on potential and latest chapter. Though of course they surpass Jimbei since they haven't reach their Prime and potential yet.

Cool. I don't.

 

[King Moe]

Cool. I don't.

You should.

 

[Nie Li]

True, but just saying we have to expect that on them facing stronger foes and everyone going to get stronger. Don't rely on past fights as a way 'They aren't ready or going to fight because of 'blank' when that doesn't push how Oda go about fights later.

Sanji hasn't really fallen behind as if we talking on display, we have Zoro with his performance which can't see how he be above Jimbei, but in long run, both will surpass Jimbei fully given they have yet to reach their Prime and full potential.

Your allegations are based on interpretations of scenes I don't agree with you on at all, so it's pointless to debate that.

 

[Ramen]

You should.

I really shouldn't. After the Smoker think, I can't take you seriously.

 

[King Moe]

Your allegations are based on interpretations of scenes I don't agree with you on at all, so it's pointless to debate that.

Nah, based on canon events why and how Oda works when they are facing stronger opponents later on. Shown before, so it can be shown again. Got expect that that too.

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I really shouldn't. After the Smoker think, I can't take you seriously.

From same guy saying Zoro must be strongest cause of his goal you were doing last week? Yeah your not credible to suggest anything on your end.

Just because we don't agree on Smoker, I do know situation still for others.

 

[Ramen]

Nah, based on canon events why and how Oda works when they are facing stronger opponents later on. Shown before, so it can be shown again. Got expect that that too.

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From same guy saying Zoro must be strongest cause of his goal you were doing last week? Yeah your not credible to suggest anything on your end.

Just because we don't agree on Smoker, I do know situation still for others.

When did I ever say Zoro willl be the strongest? I can guarantee you can't find it because I never said. Liar. I said he'll be stronger than Sanji.

If I'm not why would you respond in the first place?