One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

[goldb]

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[goldb]

I'm always unsure about Dragon. He must certainly be strong as he's Garp's son, on top of being the world's most wanted man. That title though, the way I've always seen it was more about the threat he posed to the WG rather than just strength.

 

[Ramen]

Not including Im/Gorosei, something like this:

1. Dragon
2. Kaido
3. Big Mom
4. Akainu
5. Garp
6. Sengoku
7. Kong
8. Shanks
9. Mihawk
10. Aokiji
11. Kizaru
12. Rayleigh
13. Blackbeard
14. Greenbull
15. Fujitora
16. Megallan
17. Sabo
18. Luffy
19. Shiryu
20. Ben Beckmann
21. Marco
22. Katakuri
23. King
24. Kuma
25. Kidd
26. Law
27. Zoro
28. Boa Hancock
29. Queen
30. Smoothie

Overall solid list.

Surprised to see Magellan that high given he hasn't shown.

Kuma is another surprise.

Also, BB seems a little low. I'm assuming you're waiting for more feats?

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I'm always unsure about Dragon. He must certainly be strong as he's Garp's son, on top of being the world's most wanted man. That title though, the way I've always seen it was more about the threat he posed to the WG rather than just strength.

It could be individual strength or it could be collective strength. Though given his title and his hype, I think he floats around Yonko, Admiral level.

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@Brandish μ Also, is that prime Garp and Sengoku?

 

[Brandish μ]

Also, BB seems a little low. I'm assuming you're waiting for more feats?

He could be stronger than the other emperors but isn't portrayed that way yet, other than Shanks worrying over him.

@Brandish μ Also, is that prime Garp and Sengoku?

Current.

 

[King Moe]

For the purpose of this debate you have until tomorrow to properly do your TOP 30 or I'll judge that you concede Smoker is not a top 30 character on your list, because frankly, this isn't how tops lists works LOL. It should be pretty simple, either Smoker is in your top 30 and you leave some characters out or he isn't. It's sly to try and shove characters in like this.

So to explain, ties are allowed BUT, there can only be 30 characters on your list. Cool? You'll have until this time tomorrow. Otherwise there's not even any point in debating the matter.

We already ended talk awhile back on Smoker stuff to agree to disagree, so even I change it more, it won't take away on where current Smoker would end up later.

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As someone who witness all your debates before and after many posts were deleted, I can confirm that he never said that. Not even once.
The one and only who ever said that is Nik

Idk about that, but true on Nik was typing a lot that too. Though almost sound like same thing when people state Zoro in similar form. Also forgive me not taking your word on the matter either.

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Not including Im/Gorosei, something like this:

1. Dragon
2. Kaido
3. Big Mom
4. Akainu
5. Garp
6. Sengoku
7. Kong
8. Shanks
9. Mihawk
10. Aokiji
11. Kizaru
12. Rayleigh
13. Blackbeard
14. Greenbull
15. Fujitora
16. Megallan
17. Sabo
18. Luffy
19. Shiryu
20. Ben Beckmann
21. Marco
22. Katakuri
23. King
24. Kuma
25. Kidd
26. Law
27. Zoro
28. Boa Hancock
29. Queen
30. Smoothie

If you can put Zoro out of the list, then I would say this is perfect around, but can't say he is stronger than Hancock, Queen, and Smoothie given on performance we see him struggle with enemies weaker than them. Also bring down Mihawk as him stronger than Aokiji and Kizaru is not working as well with Rayleigh and Blackbeard. He could be with New Admirals, but so far his Marineford performance push anything against he is Admiral given diffeent vibe we got from between them. Also why overpush on Megallen up there? He really isn't top 30 from what we seen.

 

[Pirate Queen]

That was related too. I remember also Pirate Queen saying you can't use goal as why Zoro be stronger as Sanji is not swordsmen, so he can be stronger or even equal to him as it won't hurt his character with Sanji.

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Sorry typo. Idk why 'not' was in there.

Just because it won't hurt character development, doesn't mean they are equal.

Zoro is always going to be stronger than Sanji. Even by a little bit.... but he just doesn't have to be. Which was the basis for my arguement.

You put words in Peoples mouths too often.

He never said he thought Zoro would be the strongest....

 

[King Moe]

Just because it won't hurt character development, doesn't mean they are equal.

Zoro is always going to be stronger than Sanji. Even by a little bit.... but he just doesn't have to be. Which was the basis for my arguement.

You put words in Peoples mouths too often.

He never said he thought Zoro would be the strongest....

Sorry, couldn't check back since they were deleted. Could only remember you guys debating a lot until mod step in, so thought it going to that level.

Sanji and Zoro destined equals on the crew given they are Luffy's Left-Hand and Right-Hand when he isn't around.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Sorry, couldn't check back since they were deleted. Could only remember you guys debating a lot until mod step in, so thought it going to that level.

Sanji and Zoro destined equals on the crew given they are Luffy's Left-Hand and Right-Hand when he isn't around.

Besides Nik, I don't think anyone has said Zoro will be strongest EoS.

 

[King Moe]

Besides Nik, I don't think anyone has said Zoro will be strongest EoS.

Not true, Shasha also (Btw Shasha actually change their profile and signature to your bet. Congratz!) and pretty sure Afro and GM are like that as well. Few people honestly believe Zoro stronger than even Luffy, so not just him only.

 

[goldb]

it won't take away on where current Smoker would end up later.

So it's Smoker's future potential that ranks him in your top 30 and where he is based on current showing? Okay, that settles that then.

 

[goldb]

It could be individual strength or it could be collective strength. Though given his title and his hype, I think he floats around Yonko, Admiral level.

I wouldn't disagree with that per se, just that personally I don't think I can put him on top of my list until we get more of an indication to his strength in the manga, rather than vague references and just hype.

 

[Ramen]

I wouldn't disagree with that per se, just that personally I don't think I can put him on top of my list until we get more of an indication to his strength in the manga, rather than vague references and just hype.

No I agree. I don't believe he's the strongest or top 3 character. Top 10 within the 7-10 range.

 

[King Moe]

So it's Smoker's future potential that ranks him in your top 30 and where he is based on current showing? Okay, that settles that then.

Actually Top 5 as EOS given how he is going, he is like Garp of this generation, so he be Future Fleet Admiral given his resolve for change and chasing after Strawhats around. His Current atm is Top 30 as given it been awhile since PH arc, he gotten stronger since then and it would fit Oda's narrative of how he want to see Smoker.

 

[Ramen]

I've even seen people put Dragon as a top 15.

 

[M3J]

Not including Im/Gorosei, something like this:

1. Dragon
2. Kaido
3. Big Mom
4. Akainu
5. Garp
6. Sengoku
7. Kong
8. Shanks
9. Mihawk
10. Aokiji
11. Kizaru
12. Rayleigh
13. Blackbeard
14. Greenbull
15. Fujitora
16. Megallan
17. Sabo
18. Luffy
19. Shiryu
20. Ben Beckmann
21. Marco
22. Katakuri
23. King
24. Kuma
25. Kidd
26. Law
27. Zoro
28. Boa Hancock
29. Queen
30. Smoothie

1. Why rank Dragon so high when he's an unknown?
2. Why not put Kaidou and Big Mom as a tie given they were evenly matched when they fought?
3. Why not put Shanks higher, especially considering he was able to stop the war, make Blackbeard run away, and I believe was able to talk to the Gorosei without being stopped, despite being a pirate? Plus, the whole thing with Whitebeard.
4. Don't agree with Luffy being above most of these people, except for Law (?).

 

[HereNThere]

1. Blackbeard
2. Kaido
3. Big Mom
4. Shanks
5. Mihawk
6. Ben Beckman
7. Akainu
8. Garp
9. Rayleigh
10. Sengoku
11. Aokiji
12. Kizaru
13. Fujitora
14. Ryugyouku
15. Tsuru
16. Yasopp
17. Roo
18. King
19. Queen
20. Jack
21. Marco
22. Sabo
23. Luffy
24. Katakuri
25. Smoothie
26. Cracker
27. Uroge
28. Boa
29. Vista
30. Jozu

This list doesn't even include folks who are implied to be strong/don't have spoken hype or those who are just lacking recent feats, but should be on the level. Hell, I could still add a few more Revolutionary Commanders since they were able to fight alongside Sabo when they clashed with the Admirals at the Reverie. And this list isn't the exact order I think they are strong in. I just went from those who I know are at the top and made my way down. 1-14 are likely literally in the same tier or around the same level.

 

[King Moe]

1. Blackbeard
2. Kaido
3. Big Mom
4. Shanks
5. Mihawk
6. Ben Beckman
7. Akainu
8. Garp
9. Rayleigh
10. Sengoku
11. Aokiji
12. Kizaru
13. Fujitora
14. Ryugyouku
15. Tsuru
16. Yasopp
17. Roo
18. King
19. Queen
20. Jack
21. Marco
22. Sabo
23. Luffy
24. Katakuri
25. Smoothie
26. Cracker
27. Uroge
28. Boa
29. Vista
30. Jozu

This list doesn't even include folks who are implied to be strong/don't have spoken hype or those who are just lacking recent feats, but should be on the level. Hell, I could still add a few more Revolutionary Commanders since they were able to fight alongside Sabo when they clashed with the Admirals at the Reverie. And this list isn't the exact order I think they are strong in. I just went from those who I know are at the top and made my way down. 1-14 are likely literally in the same tier or around the same level.

Why put Mihawk above Admirals when he shown nothing to be on that scale especially Admirals are another threat entirely in power scale. Can't push him as Yonko lvl given evidence as of late. Better to push him downward until we get more evidence on where he stands, but Marineford really push him under Yonkos and Admirals that for sure.

 

[albertwv]

I know I am a little late in the discussion of Smoker, but I wanna put in my 2 cents. Moe is wrong about Top 30. Also, please ignore him when he talks about Sanji, he's another Nik.

And MUIMadara never said Zolo was going to be the strongest of all, but stronger than Sanji. Which I agree and I think everybody but a certain someone agrees.

 

[Brandish μ]

I'm always unsure about Dragon. He must certainly be strong as he's Garp's son, on top of being the world's most wanted man. That title though, the way I've always seen it was more about the threat he posed to the WG rather than just strength.

1. Why rank Dragon so high when he's an unknown?

I'm just guessing how strong Dragon is, based on portrayal. Agreed that he poses the greatest threat to the WG which is more than just strength - but it's impossible to separate the two imo..

Dragon is being saved for later too, which is a factor for me. Ivankov noted how strong Dragon's will is, so he's going to be a top tier haki user.

2. Why not put Kaidou and Big Mom as a tie given they were evenly matched when they fought?

I ranked them, otherwise I'd be 'on the fence' for about 20 choices.

3. Why not put Shanks higher, especially considering he was able to stop the war, make Blackbeard run away, and I believe was able to talk to the Gorosei without being stopped, despite being a pirate? Plus, the whole thing with Whitebeard.

I wanted to wedge in some of the marines, before getting to Shanks. There might be a small gap between Mama and Shanks(?).

4. Don't agree with Luffy being above most of these people, except for Law (?).

There's probably no commander stronger than Luffy atm, he's about the crack into the top tier.

 

[goldb]

I think this sort of post is what I usually find frustrating from you, and I'll break it down to explain.

Actually Top 5 as EOS given how he is going,

Given how what is going? Please elaborate.

he is like Garp of this generation, so he be Future Fleet Admiral given his resolve for change and chasing after Strawhats around.

You're contradicting yourself. If he's the Garp of his generation then there's no way he becomes a Fleet Admiral, or even Admiral; because that would put him under the direct influence and command of the Celestial Dragons. Smoker hates the politics of the WG, as seen by his frustration on how they handled the Crocodile situation in Alabasta. All he wants to do is chase down pirates; targeting the SH because they escaped him from Loguetown.

His Current atm is Top 30 as given it been awhile since PH arc,

So we're back to your list. So I'm free today so I've taken the time to correct your list and show you exactly what a top 30 is supposed to look like.

Spoiler: Your Current List

1. Dragon
2. Kaido
3. Big Mom
4. Shanks
5. Blackbeard
6. Kong
7. Garp
8. Sengoku
9. Tsuru
10. Akainu
11. Aokiji
12. Kizaru
13. Luffy, Kidd, and Law
14. Fujitora and Ryogaruku
15. Mihawk (Debatable Though)
16. Macro and Beckenman (YC1)
17. Jozu and Yasopp (YC2)
18. Vista and Lucky Roo (YC3)
19. Shiryu
20. Iso
21. King and Sanji
21. Queen
22. Burgess and Weevil
23. Katakuri
24. Jack
25. Smoker
26. Smoothie and Jimbei
27. Cracker
28. Doflamingo
29. Boa Hancock
30. Urouge

Here is my top 30 with few ties around .

Your corrected List:

1. Dragon
2. Kaido
3. Big Mom
4. Shanks
5. Blackbeard
6. Kong
7. Garp
8. Sengoku
9. Tsuru
10. Akainu
11. Aokiji
12. Kizaru
13. Luffy, Kidd, and Law
16. Fujitora and Ryokugyu
18. Mihawk (Debatable Though)
19. Marco and Beckman (YC1)
21. Jozu and Yasopp (YC2)
23. Vista and Lucky Roo (YC3)
25. Shiryu
26. Iso (who is Iso? If you mean Issho, then you already have Fujitora as #16)
27. King and Sanji
29. Queen
30. Burgess and Weevil
=======================
32. Katakuri
33. Jack
34. Smoker
35. Smoothie and Jinbe
37. Cracker
38. Doflamingo
39. Boa Hancock
40. Urouge

So first of all, either Smoker is your current #34 or you adjust your list so you can put him in where you believe he deserves to be in your top 30 characters; because you're either wanting to have a proper discussion or you're taking the piss and just trolling to get a reaction.

Secondly, the placing of the characters themselves is entirely your opinion, (which I naturally disagree with, but that's a discussion for another time I guess), but there's one placing I wanted to address here which is Smoker because you say he's in your top 30 based on what we've seen "currently". Last we saw of Smoker in the current timeline was him getting beaten by Doflamingo (ch698), so by what logic do you then place him 3 places higher?

If you have any material to support this particular placing and what you believe Smoker's current strength is then, by all means do so. Or as I said, concede or adjust your list.

he gotten stronger since then and it would fit Oda's narrative of how he want to see Smoker.

He might have, but there's nothing shown in the manga to confirm that. As such I can claim the same thing about any characters that is omitted from any of these lists; for example "Richie has gotten stronger since we last saw him and it would fit Oda's narrative of how he want to see him". I wouldn't be able to prove neither of those things and neither can you unless you know something about Oda that we don't. So it's a baseless statement to try and justify your opinion.