One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[afromarco005]

Had to share this. Probably thee funniest One Piece comedy i have experienced because of the laugh lol

I love this meme his laugh is contagious

Kaido is the strongest pirate as confirmed by this week's chapter so

Shanks 100
Mihawk 103
Big mom 110
Kaido 115

 

[White Demon]

Ichiji holding out briefly against Kata is like Brook holding out briefly against BM or Vista holding out briefly against Mihawk or Apoo holding out briefly against Zoro and Drake.

Apoo didn't held out briefly. Apoo literally did more than just holding out.

 

[Fox666]

Was anyone surprised by hearing that Kaido is the strongest man alive?

 

[Pirate Queen]

Was anyone surprised by hearing that Kaido is the strongest man alive?

Mihawk Fanbois... thats about it lol

 

[Shasha23]

Mihawk Fanbois... thats about it lol

More like Shanks fanbois are suffering from emotional trauma that their god is not number 1 like they have been hoping for since forums became a thing

 

[M3J]

Who thought Shanks was #1???

 

[HereNThere]

It happens, but I've rarely seen anyone placing Shanks at #1. I haven't seen any of his fans bringing him up in regards to this chapter's reestablishment of Kaido's title, but I don't frequent many other forums.

 

[Silvers Horse]

I love this meme his laugh is contagious

Kaido is the strongest pirate as confirmed by this week's chapter so

And Mihawk is a regular pirate again

 

[Pirate Queen]

Who thought Shanks was #1???

Literally know no one after it was again clarified Kaido was defacto #1

Its the swordbois that are raging right now. Worstgen, Reddit, youtube... they are freaking lol

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It happens, but I've rarely seen anyone placing Shanks at #1. I haven't seen any of his fans bringing him up in regards to this chapter's reestablishment of Kaido's title, but I don't frequent many other forums.

I do when big things like this happen to see the fandoms mindset... Mihawks fans are MAD MAD

Nobody is mentioning Shanks.

 

[HereNThere]

And Mihawk is a regular pirate again

This is something I have seen tossed around a bit. That Mihawk doesn't count as a Pirate and is exempt, or something like that.

 

[Silvers Horse]

This is something I have seen tossed around a bit. That Mihawk doesn't count as a Pirate and is exempt, or something like that.

Yea it makes no sence what so ever.

 

[Demonspeed]

Well, they said he is the strongest pirate, not the strongest man alive. But ever since he has been called the Strongest Creature, I assumed he was the current strongest character of the manga. Oda emphasizes his strength a lot. But I don't find him very entertaining as a character ATM.

As for Shanks, some probably put him N.1 because he is close to Luffy? I think he is probably the best COC user in the world.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

If i remember correctly he stepped in front of him way before Katakuri took him down, he did that before Judge confronted Big Mom, that for me is showing that Ichiji did hold of Katakuri even if it was for a minute or 2, none could achive that exept Luffy.

Ichiji made Oven useless until much much much later on, unlike with Sanji who couldnt do the same heck Sanji couldnt even damage Oven with a sneak attack, remember from the point Oven was gearing to fight and then got taken out to the point he was useful again was hours after Ichiji attacked him.

nah oven was still wrecking shop, ichiji blitzed oven by blinding him with light,and he was good enough to keep fighting, he wasn't incapacitated in any manner, damaged but still good to go, sanji blitzed him by using rididoclous speed
and yeah it was an anime thing, kata completely destroyed ichiji in an instant

versus ichiji in chapter 898

him being able to walk not even long after and put in immense work in chapter 900

the fighting scenarios are super different, sanji was in stealth mode and trying not to get noticed, oven seems to have noticed ichiji but got blinded by the attack
heck against page 1 sanji again wasn't as serious as page 1 and was just testing out the suit and trying to get away

sanji at his current apex is probably yonkou commander 3 or 2 level , ichiji isn't close to that

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How do we rank the Yonko Executives among each other? Oven vs Page 1, etc.
They're between VAs and YCs

I had wished Oda would have focused more on the YCs themselves, like given them an antagonist arc that luffy and all the SHs would face off with. For example, Jack should've been the antagonist of the Zou arc with Luffy fighting him 1v1. That would be a nice progression.

luffy had already defeated doflamingo , who to me in head cannon is kinda yc3 commander level imo , plus he beat cra

jack's enemies are the minks, they owed him a beatdown after he destroyed their island , and inu and neko promptly dealt with him

 

[Fox666]

I don't get why people keep insisting that Zoro and Sanji are Yonko commander level.

This is their record post timeskip:

• Sanji had trouble against Vergo, who was easily by Law;
• Sanji was defeated by Doflamingo;
• Sanji was defeated by Judge;
• Sanji was beaten up by his brothers;
• Sanji was overpowered by Daifuku;
• Zoro got injured by Hawkins' Strawman;
• Sanji couldn't take down Page One;
• Zoro couldn't get past Kyoshiro, who effortlessly blocked his passage;
• Sanji kicked X Drake repeatedly to no effect;
• Zoro got injured by Apoo's attack;
• Zoro and X Drake attacked Apoo together, but the later managed to defend himself;
• Sanji was attacked by King (and would be seriously injured wasn't for the Raid Suit);

Where exactly are the Yonko commander level fighters?

 

[M3J]

I don't understand why that disqualifies them from being Yonkou commander level fighters. I think only the Emperors can handle that sort of stuff easily.

Some of the examples also suck.

 

[hokageji]

I don't get why people keep insisting that Zoro and Sanji are Yonko commander level.

This is their record post timeskip:

• Sanji had trouble against Vergo, who was easily by Law;
• Sanji was defeated by Doflamingo;
• Sanji was defeated by Judge;
• Sanji was beaten up by his brothers;
• Sanji was overpowered by Daifuku;
• Zoro got injured by Hawkins' Strawman;
• Sanji couldn't take down Page One;
• Zoro couldn't get past Kyoshiro, who effortlessly blocked his passage;
• Sanji kicked X Drake repeatedly to no effect;
• Zoro got injured by Apoo's attack;
• Zoro and X Drake attacked Apoo together, but the later managed to defend himself;
• Sanji was attacked by King (and would be seriously injured wasn't for the Raid Suit);

Where exactly are the Yonko commander level fighters?

Zoro fans are only gonna see Sanji had trouble and start.... But that proves nothing. Its easier to dismiss the argument you make by only looking at Zoro's acts...
For instance, Zoro had problems against Kyoshiro. But a Yonko commander like Jack had trouble against a nearly equivalent fighter Shutenmaru too... Everything you listed is hard to extrapolate to a YC. Doflamingo surely is a YC, but closer to a high-tier one.

I dont disagree that Zoro and Sanji are not YC level ATM. But those examples prove nothing.

Only Luffy can be determined to be YC level by that scale. Not even Jinbei

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

I don't get why people keep insisting that Zoro and Sanji are Yonko commander level.

This is their record post timeskip:

• Sanji had trouble against Vergo, who was easily by Law;
• Sanji was defeated by Doflamingo;
• Sanji was defeated by Judge;
• Sanji was beaten up by his brothers;
• Sanji was overpowered by Daifuku;
• Zoro got injured by Hawkins' Strawman;
• Sanji couldn't take down Page One;
• Zoro couldn't get past Kyoshiro, who effortlessly blocked his passage;
• Sanji kicked X Drake repeatedly to no effect;
• Zoro got injured by Apoo's attack;
• Zoro and X Drake attacked Apoo together, but the later managed to defend himself;
• Sanji was attacked by King (and would be seriously injured wasn't for the Raid Suit);

Where exactly are the Yonko commander level fighters?

1. styles make fight, law's fruit is very broken when he's above you , we. saw smoker tango with law pretty well, yet vergo overwhelmed him hand to hand, styles make fights
2. law was also beat by doffy ( he's around yc3 or 4 imo )
3. sanji got beat cause of external factors
4. his brothers used external to get him not to retaliate
5. fairs, but wasn't he carrying luffy , heck he dealt with a bigger daifuku later on
6. not really a point , not everything in one piece is a lol stomp exchange , he has a tricky ability
7. sanji wasn't really trying to, he was just trying to test out his suit, heck luffy didn't either in a similar more recent skirmish and he's about to fight kaido
8. kyoshiro is very very strong
9. xx drake couldn't do much to sanji either
10. apoo is very strong, he's not a scrub lmao
11. the raid suit is part of his arsenal


luffy lost to ceasar and monet and he was at the time much much stronger than either
heck the cp9 arc is telling, the monster trio went from struggling badly against blueno , to overwhelming and defeating lucci , kaku and jyabura who were 2x -4x as strong as blueno , sanji and zero are gonna have to be around yc4- yc1 at the end of the arc

oh and zoro has countered an admiral at least

and luffy and sanji countered a yonkou's attack

sanji seemed to pretty casually deal with yonji

 

[Shasha23]

nah oven was still wrecking shop, ichiji blitzed oven by blinding him with light,and he was good enough to keep fighting, he wasn't incapacitated in any manner, damaged but still good to go, sanji blitzed him by using rididoclous speed
and yeah it was an anime thing, kata completely destroyed ichiji in an instant

versus ichiji in chapter 898

him being able to walk not even long after and put in immense work in chapter 900

the fighting scenarios are super different, sanji was in stealth mode and trying not to get noticed, oven seems to have noticed ichiji but got blinded by the attack
heck against page 1 sanji again wasn't as serious as page 1 and was just testing out the suit and trying to get away

sanji at his current apex is probably yonkou commander 3 or 2 level , ichiji isn't close to that

This irrelevant post you just made proved my point LOL, after taking the hit from Ichiji Oven was only relevant hours later when they caught up to the Sunny

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

This irrelevant post you just made proved my point LOL, after taking the hit from Ichiji Oven was only relevant hours later when they caught up to the Sunny

i don't think that was the case that he was incapacitated , he wasn't knocked out , sanji and co just escaped and he and the germa just were not the focus of the story

 

[M3J]

Plus, how many times have the Monster Trio been outmatched during fights, only to win and be better than they were before the fights? I don't see why they can't do the same against the commanders as well (minus the top ones).