Still doesn't change the fact that Madmole can't defeat Elfman who is weaker than BSS Mira, who was defeated by Juliet & Heine, who are not close to Spriggan level.
1 year makes a difference.
Never stated that Mira trained.
Everyone clearly did. Do you think they just sat around when people like Max trained?
There is absolutely nothing who suggest that Mira trained.
People get stronger over time......you don't need to be spoonfed the statement. Is the beginning of FT Natsu the same as Tenrou?
Not for every member of FT. Team Natsu for sure but we have no idea if Mira trained during this timeskip.
Ok....there is no "proof" that they trained yet they clearly got stronger.
If she did trained she would of had to mix it with work as well
Actually, there are reasons to assume:
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With Madmole's defense being as good as it is, I doubt Skullion can kill him even if he tried. Not that it matters, because Madmole and Kyria were close enough that they would have been enveloped by absolute ash in Ermina, and that didn't stop him from using it back then. It's kind of ridiculous to assume that Skullion just gave up because he was afraid of friendly fire. He would have just told Madmole to leave. Absolute ash isn't even skullion's best attack. Black Ash was, and it doesn't have particularly large AoE, so there's really no reason to assume Skullion held back. Especially since he had to ask the master to send stronger people for help. If the problem was that his allies got in the way, he wouldn't be asking for more people.
Sure it does. Not being able to defeat Elfman doesn't make you weaker than Spriggan, considering Elfman beat a Spriggan in Ajeel. Mirajane wasn't defeated by Juliet and Heine either. Not that it matters, because if Juliet and Heine defeated Mirajane all that proves is that they're stronger than Jacob, a Spriggan who couldn't defeat Mirajane with no takeovers.
All that with know until now is that Skullion can kill someone by turning the person into ashes, it's a hax, being more resistant wasn't stated as possible of overcoming it.
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The point was that Skullion didn't care that black ash could have spread to take out Ermina even though Kyria and Madmole were still pretty close by. Also, Kyria, Nebaru, and Wraith were in different cities. Skullion's attack would have never reached them in the first place. We don't know whether or not Skullion used absolute ash. He could have tried it, and Mirajane just countered it by blasting it with a nuke or something before it got big. Even if he didn't use absolute ash, that's not his strongest attack. He could have just as easily skipped absolute ash and went straight for black ash. Either way, Mirajane and Elfman gave him a good enough fight that he felt it was necessary to abandon his task and ask stronger people to help in case they ever have to fight again.
Kyria was in the Water Dragon's temple under the sea, Madmole was on a ship. None of the Diablos guys were in the city, so it's ok that Skullrion didn't care at damage the city. Black Ash wouldn't be so effective as when the target is surrounded by a vortex of ashes that he can't touch.
Both the temple and the boat were closer to Skullion than the city of Ermina. Skullion and Gray just went outside the temple underwater. I don't understand why Black Ash wouldn't be effective if the target wasn't surrounded by a vortex of ash. It just needs to hit it's target. Mirajane and Elfman just need to scatter Skullion's ash before it hits them. Wendy could do it. I imagine Mirajane's blasts could do it too.Kyria was in the Water Dragon's temple under the sea, Madmole was on a boat. Any of the Diablos guys were in the city, so it's ok that Skullrion didn't care at damage the city. Black Ash wouldn't be so effective as when the target is surrounded by a vortex of ashes that he can't touch.
I'm not saying that Mirajane and Elfman weren't a proper opponent. The thing is: They didn't show anything that could surpass a combo of attacks (Absolute Ash + Black Ash) that Silver's range of Ice couldn't overcome.
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Elfman didn't' show being stronger than Tartaros Erza. But because Erza's feats are kind of forced ( ''Because she is Erza") I will not focus on it. But, Erza Tartaros didn't really defeat Minerva in a proper fight, Minerva was in an internal fight on her mind and she wasn't knocked out by Erza so you can't measure how really superior Erza was at that time. AND Minerva is strong than she was in the Tartaros arc too. She remained with some % of the power-up received in Tartaros, defeated H-Wahl, so she is stronger than Tartaros Erza too.
Erza only got almost defeat by Ajeel, because:
1. Marin magic's stopped her Re-quip, so she stayed some time get dehydrated by his sand without doing anything.
2. Ajeel can counter swords attacks. He didn't seem able to counter physical attacks although, once that he was punched by Natsu.
3. Ajeel uses the ''sand world'', covering all the city in the sand, something that he didn't use against Elfman.
On the other way: Elfman didn't have someone stopping his magic for a while, he had a Take Over form that is stronger against sand and he fights with his hands and not swords. While Erza was totally at disadvantage he was totally in vantage ( and for some reason, didn't have to face the ''sand world'').
The fact that Lisanna (who was knocked out by Lucy twice in the 100Q) could endure Ajeel's fight until the end only shows that Ajeel didn't hit any really strong attack. Maybe Elfman's Beast Sand could stop his strong spells, but it doesn't mean that Elfman's feats make him good as Erza's.
Elfman defeated Ajeel because he was advantaged and was in 2v1 (Ajeel was defeating Elfman 10 seconds after the fight started but Lisanna saved his brother)
1. It's not true. We don't know how close Madmole was. The ship is was on the water surface. The temple is undersea. The manga showed the magic getting to the surface and it was said that could spread to the city, it's not stated that was spreding out to underwater too. The ship which Madmole was made of ashes, it's Skullion creation, so we even know if it would be damaged. What we know is: the ashes would spread to the city, not the temple undersea, and not to the ship. https://s4-1.mangabeast.com/manga/Fairy-Tail-100-Years-Quest/0011-013.png
The ship was right outside the temple. It was literally within Madmole's throwing distance. They all started in the temple. Kyria stayed in the temple to fight Lucy's group. Gray and Skullion moved outside underwater. They were all closer to each other than Ermina. Skullion's ash wouldn't have done any damage to Aldoron either. So if standing on the ship would have protected Madmole, wouldn't standing on Aldoron protect everyone? Besides, I don't think that's how it works. Madmole and Natsu were standing on the top of the ship. The the sand engulfs the whole ship, it would harm them too. Not that it matters, because Skullion couldn't have known Madmole was on the ship. He used the attack anyways.
Lisanna is fodder, and not even a particularly strong fodder. Any attack stronger than Madmole's slap would have oneshotted her. So realistically, Lisanna probably just helped Elfman fly. You could replace Lisanna with an exceed, and it would make pretty much zero difference to Elfman's chances against a Spriggan. In fact, Pantherlily might actually be an upgrade because he at least has Edolas-arc Gajeel tier stats in his human form.
Probably has better defense than Irene.