Fantasy Laxus Dreyar vs Erza Scarlet

[LaGOAT]

@Ronin31 if u want to use statement then makarov put Jura on gildartz tier which laxus defeated Minerva+Kagura=gildartz tier sorry i don’t believe that. Gray chapter statement from 89 doesn’t make sense cuz gray knows that makarov gildartz and laxus are stronger. Hence the statement pre gmg arc. Erza had help from team natsu plus a boost from Wendy but couldn’t do a damn thing it will be different it if it was 1v1

 

[Biri Biri]

Ok.

After much conundrum, I have voted for Laxus!

 

[Ronin31]

if u want to use statement then makarov put Jura on gildartz tier which laxus defeated Minerva+Kagura=gildartz tier sorry i don’t believe that. Gray chapter statement from 89 doesn’t make sense cuz gray knows that makarov gildartz and laxus are stronger. Hence the statement pre gmg arc. Erza had help from team natsu plus a boost from Wendy but couldn’t do a damn thing it will be different it if it was 1v1

Jura at Gildarts's level ?? He is strong but far below. Makarov was amazed about his spell on the machine, that was enough. The same Makarov who was surprised by Erza's slash on Kagura, and didn't see the move. Still, Erza didn't unleashed Second Origin.

Jura's Spell was beaten by Kana's Fairy Glitter, who was nullified easily by Bluenote who wasn't Gildart's Tier. Makarov was surprised by Jura's Spell and Jura was also surprised by Minerva's Spell. Still, Gildarts > Jura, Jura > Minerva.

Why is Gray statement relevant for Laxus and Gildarts, and not when he spoke about Erza ?? I don't understand....

Erza had help from Wendy + Gray + Natsu ?? Where are they ? I don't see them in the fight. Erza only used a spell learned from Wendy. It is like using her swords with the elementals properties of Natsu's Flame and Gray's Ice. They were not striking at three or four. The same as Natsu using Atlas Flame, Ignir and Ignia's flames. We are talking about properties or where are the dragons when Natsu said "it's my fire" ? Both used sort of enchant, no physical or external help.

Yes, she couldn't do a thing because she was holding back to not give a fatal blow to a friend (Laxus's statement or see my Avatar).
Different in 1vs1 ? No, she was alone vs him.

Also, you put Laxus vs Jura during GmG. Can we compare Erza and Laxus during Arbaless Arc ?

I see, you will only take Ajeel as exemple.... Well, again, August statement was perhaps wrong. By analogy, it was the same as Lyon "saved" by Ultear from Natsu's roar at Galuna. Ultear was thinking that it shoud be too strong for him. Then after, Lyon stalemated Natsu in 1 vs 1 until Gray's arrival. So, as we don't know if Ajeel could tank or not, it was only assomption.

Also, Erza was about to defeat Ajeel mid-diff after Marin's trick, until he used Sand World, being "invisible" and took her with a spell who obliterate her. Perhaps Laxus should be taken as well, but another assomption. Without direct fight, we don't know.

After Historias, where was Laxus when Erza fought vs the army, stopped both Gray and END, and then fought Eileen ? Well, he was resting while Erza continued to fight even with hard injuries. Also, can we compare both presta on the same Acnologia ? Laxus did nothing, Erza forced him to crash down on the boat.

I can see them around same level, with average for one or other, but saiying Laxus is far stronger is irrelevant. Also, take account that Erza's level can momentary skyrocket under circonstances, like Natsu by analogy, where Laxus's heart powers are weak (Kyria's statement when she couldn't slash his heart strength).

 

[LaGOAT]

Jura at Gildarts's level ?? He is strong but far below. Makarov was amazed about his spell on the machine, that was enough. The same Makarov who was surprised by Erza's slash on Kagura, and didn't see the move. Still, Erza didn't unleashed Second Origin.

Jura's Spell was beaten by Kana's Fairy Glitter, who was nullified easily by Bluenote who wasn't Gildart's Tier. Makarov was surprised by Jura's Spell and Jura was also surprised by Minerva's Spell. Still, Gildarts > Jura, Jura > Minerva.

Why is Gray statement relevant for Laxus and Gildarts, and not when he spoke about Erza ?? I don't understand....

Erza had help from Wendy + Gray + Natsu ?? Where are they ? I don't see them in the fight. Erza only used a spell learned from Wendy. It is like using her swords with the elementals properties of Natsu's Flame and Gray's Ice. They were not striking at three or four. The same as Natsu using Atlas Flame, Ignir and Ignia's flames. We are talking about properties or where are the dragons when Natsu said "it's my fire" ? Both used sort of enchant, no physical or external help.

Yes, she couldn't do a thing because she was holding back to not give a fatal blow to a friend (Laxus's statement or see my Avatar).
Different in 1vs1 ? No, she was alone vs him.

Also, you put Laxus vs Jura during GmG. Can we compare Erza and Laxus during Arbaless Arc ?

I see, you will only take Ajeel as exemple.... Well, again, August statement was perhaps wrong. By analogy, it was the same as Lyon "saved" by Ultear from Natsu's roar at Galuna. Ultear was thinking that it shoud be too strong for him. Then after, Lyon stalemated Natsu in 1 vs 1 until Gray's arrival. So, as we don't know if Ajeel could tank or not, it was only assomption.

Also, Erza was about to defeat Ajeel mid-diff after Marin's trick, until he used Sand World, being "invisible" and took her with a spell who obliterate her. Perhaps Laxus should be taken as well, but another assomption. Without direct fight, we don't know.

After Historias, where was Laxus when Erza fought vs the army, stopped both Gray and END, and then fought Eileen ? Well, he was resting while Erza continued to fight even with hard injuries. Also, can we compare both presta on the same Acnologia ? Laxus did nothing, Erza forced him to crash down on the boat.

I can see them around same level, with average for one or other, but saiying Laxus is far stronger is irrelevant. Also, take account that Erza's level can momentary skyrocket under circonstances, like Natsu by analogy, where Laxus's heart powers are weak (Kyria's statement when she couldn't slash his heart strength).

What I’m saying ur picking and choosing statements to fit ur argument of that the case I could do the same with laxus. Ok Jura>Minerva Jura>kagura laxus beat Jura erza beat both Minerva and kagura there laxus>erza. Statements are ok as long they don’t contradict the power levels

I was talking about against hades erza had help from team natsu combined from a boost from Wendy and till couldn’t manage to get a hitto hades. Laxus performance>erza performance.

I’m saying gray statement back then didn’t make sense he knows that makarov and gildartz are stronger. the statement with laxus and gildartz made sense cause he saw it and laxus feats proves it too pre gmg.

laxus rested for a couple hours after the fight with hades and wahl. Erza had a whole day after he her fight with ajeel. Proving that laxus can recover and has better durability than erza and their fight against each other prove that once again. Laxus got up and carry erza for several chapters.

I could say laxus tanked hits from ancologia. 2. I could say that move she used on acno. Laxus was able to erased the swords coming to him

 

[grey matter]

lmfao, this is still going on


Currently, Laxus mid-high diff Erza without enchantments, extreme diff with enchantments (this is manga result).

In main series, irrespective of arc, Laxus mid diffs Erza. Alverez - Erza would've lost to Ajeel without help, while Laxus was about to low diff him. Then there is Laxus extreme diffing Jura, who had clear portrayal over Erza & Mira in GMG. Laxus performing better than all of team Natsu in Tenrou, against Hades. In Festival arc Laxus being >= Mystogan, who put Erza to sleep with his hax (while failing to do so against Laxus).

Erza has been slowly closing the gap between her and Laxus (not the other way around), and will likely be stronger than Laxus by the end of the spinoff. But that day is not today

 

[Ronin31]

I was talking about against hades erza had help from team natsu combined from a boost from Wendy and till couldn’t manage to get a hitto hades

Sorry for misunderstanding Period.

 

[Seven777]

Jura at Gildarts's level ?? He is strong but far below. Makarov was amazed about his spell on the machine, that was enough. The same Makarov who was surprised by Erza's slash on Kagura, and didn't see the move. Still, Erza didn't unleashed Second Origin.

Jura's Spell was beaten by Kana's Fairy Glitter, who was nullified easily by Bluenote who wasn't Gildart's Tier. Makarov was surprised by Jura's Spell and Jura was also surprised by Minerva's Spell. Still, Gildarts > Jura, Jura > Minerva.

Why is Gray statement relevant for Laxus and Gildarts, and not when he spoke about Erza ?? I don't understand....

Bluenote nullified FG because Cana couldn't use it properly at the time. Makarov being impressed by an attack isn't the same as likening one to Gildarts, Makarov was impressed by Sting's roar.

Erza had help from Wendy + Gray + Natsu ?? Where are they ? I don't see them in the fight. Erza only used a spell learned from Wendy. It is like using her swords with the elementals properties of Natsu's Flame and Gray's Ice. They were not striking at three or four. The same as Natsu using Atlas Flame, Ignir and Ignia's flames. We are talking about properties or where are the dragons when Natsu said "it's my fire" ? Both used sort of enchant, no physical or external help.

It depends really. If Erza can use her DS Seal and those swords without Wendy in the future, then she did this solo. If she needs Wendy to give her the seal, and needs Wendy, Natsu and Gray to re-enchant those swords, then she did it with help, no different to Natsu getting help against Hades when he used LFD or when he got help from Igneel when he went IgNatsu against Zeref

Yes, she couldn't do a thing because she was holding back to not give a fatal blow to a friend (Laxus's statement or see my Avatar).
Different in 1vs1 ? No, she was alone vs him.

Also, you put Laxus vs Jura during GmG. Can we compare Erza and Laxus during Arbaless Arc ?

I see, you will only take Ajeel as exemple.... Well, again, August statement was perhaps wrong. By analogy, it was the same as Lyon "saved" by Ultear from Natsu's roar at Galuna. Ultear was thinking that it shoud be too strong for him. Then after, Lyon stalemated Natsu in 1 vs 1 until Gray's arrival. So, as we don't know if Ajeel could tank or not, it was only assomption.

Also, Erza was about to defeat Ajeel mid-diff after Marin's trick, until he used Sand World, being "invisible" and took her with a spell who obliterate her. Perhaps Laxus should be taken as well, but another assomption. Without direct fight, we don't know.

After Historias, where was Laxus when Erza fought vs the army, stopped both Gray and END, and then fought Eileen ? Well, he was resting while Erza continued to fight even with hard injuries. Also, can we compare both presta on the same Acnologia ? Laxus did nothing, Erza forced him to crash down on the boat.

Laxus had to walk to the battlefield after the Historias, Gray carried an unconscious Erza the entire way.

I can see them around same level, with average for one or other, but saiying Laxus is far stronger is irrelevant. Also, take account that Erza's level can momentary skyrocket under circonstances, like Natsu by analogy, where Laxus's heart powers are weak (Kyria's statement when she couldn't slash his heart strength).

They're the same level, provided Erza can still use all that she used without Wendy, Natsu and Gray's help

 

[sharkai]

lmfao, this is still going on


Currently, Laxus mid-high diff Erza without enchantments, extreme diff with enchantments (this is manga result).

In main series, irrespective of arc, Laxus mid diffs Erza. Alverez - Erza would've lost to Ajeel without help, while Laxus was about to low diff him. Then there is Laxus extreme diffing Jura, who had clear portrayal over Erza & Mira in GMG. Laxus performing better than all of team Natsu in Tenrou, against Hades. In Festival arc Laxus being >= Mystogan, who put Erza to sleep with his hax (while failing to do so against Laxus).

Erza has been slowly closing the gap between her and Laxus (not the other way around), and will likely be stronger than Laxus by the end of the spinoff. But that day is not today

you are correct red lightening mode laxus would most likely mid diff non serious erza

laxus cant low diff ajeel lol
angel took out jura soo dont use sneak attack. pre ts erza can mostly take even giladrts out with her seducing technique

erza? serioulsy?
last time i check
laxus had a huge improvement from tartarus to alverzec. there is talk about his training. did erza train?
again laxus had a huge improvement from laverzec to 100 year quest. did we hear anything about erza power increase?

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1. Not at all, I'm perfectly happy to acknowledge that currently Laxus>=Erza. The manga decides, I listen. I dont decide how strong Laxus is, the manga does.
2. What did you expect? That I'd just take your word for it lol? Obviously if someone comes up with an argument, I provide a counter-argument.
3. I have no political affiliation, and that's the way I like it, because both sides are full of shit. I'm also agnostic, my mind is fairly open
4. We've already established you are biased, with you yourself admitting it, so I don't know why you're bothering to sing me the praises of your logic.
5. Not according to Gray, Mirajane, Mavis and everyone in GMG. Everyone thought Jura was the strongest, and Laxus beat him.

sorry for the late response
1. not really. if something is not mentioned in the manga, you somehow still listens to something
2. no, but you are fighting agaisnt your own argument. you agree with what gray says, but disagrees with what minerva say. for one statement you say ok, for other you give a huge paragragh for why its not true. i did the same. neither would be more accurate than the other
3. not really. it depends on your environment. if your environment is not political or religious than you cant say you have an open mind. you just agree with what everyone else is already saying. so if you are open to things which goes against your environment or you past selve, then yes, you can say you have an open mind.
4. everyone is bais. i try to lower the effect of it. you sleep with it. if you look at my old post, maybe even in this thread, i have mentioned laxus portrayal above erza, it came from that gray statement. while you happily will ignore anything said against your position. (team fairy tail not moving == gray praising only laxus and gildarts while erza is standing next to him)

 

[Seven777]

you are correct red lightening mode laxus would most likely mid diff non serious erza

laxus cant low diff ajeel lol
angel took out jura soo dont use sneak attack. pre ts erza can mostly take even giladrts out with her seducing technique

erza? serioulsy?
last time i check
laxus had a huge improvement from tartarus to alverzec. there is talk about his training. did erza train?
again laxus had a huge improvement from laverzec to 100 year quest. did we hear anything about erza power increase?

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sorry for the late response
1. not really. if something is not mentioned in the manga, you somehow still listens to something
2. no, but you are fighting agaisnt your own argument. you agree with what gray says, but disagrees with what minerva say. for one statement you say ok, for other you give a huge paragragh for why its not true. i did the same. neither would be more accurate than the other
3. not really. it depends on your environment. if your environment is not political or religious than you cant say you have an open mind. you just agree with what everyone else is already saying. so if you are open to things which goes against your environment or you past selve, then yes, you can say you have an open mind.
4. everyone is bais. i try to lower the effect of it. you sleep with it. if you look at my old post, maybe even in this thread, i have mentioned laxus portrayal above erza, it came from that gray statement. while you happily will ignore anything said against your position. (team fairy tail not moving == gray praising only laxus and gildarts while erza is standing next to him)

1. Feats+Statments, that's the way it goes.
2. Didn't say Minerva's statement isn't true, I said Minerva's statement didn't say what you're saying it said. Your word isn't the same as the mangas word
3. Oh but I can, and I have. Not sure why you think my environment is apolitical though, sure Australia ain't as bad as America on that stuff, still politics everywhere, I even work for the government lol.
4. Don't mistake me ignoring what you say against my position with me ignoring anything said against my position. I have capitulated on arguments on this forum, your points just aren't good enough for me to do so in this case. And no, you don't really try and lower your bias, or if you are you're failing. %99 of your comments are still related almost entirely to Erza and Laxus, and they are still almost entirely saying Laxus=bad, Erza=good. Your bias hasn't shifted at all.

 

[sharkai]

1. Feats+Statments, that's the way it goes.
2. Didn't say Minerva's statement isn't true, I said Minerva's statement didn't say what you're saying it said. Your word isn't the same as the mangas word
3. Oh but I can, and I have. Not sure why you think my environment is apolitical though, sure Australia ain't as bad as America on that stuff, still politics everywhere, I even work for the government lol.
4. Don't mistake me ignoring what you say against my position with me ignoring anything said against my position. I have capitulated on arguments on this forum, your points just aren't good enough for me to do so in this case. And no, you don't really try and lower your bias, or if you are you're failing. %99 of your comments are still related almost entirely to Erza and Laxus, and they are still almost entirely saying Laxus=bad, Erza=good. Your bias hasn't shifted at all.

1. sometimes feats or statements arent there.
2. cant we say the same for gray statement. gray didnt say what you are saying
3. i obviously dont know, just when you said your an agnostic, i was saying it didnt mean much. if you lived in American bible belt and then you were an agnostic, then yes, you have a definite open mind
4. ok. i have no other interesting topic to debate about, and then i dont get any opposition in other things. laxus is one of fan favorite, he is over hyped and stuffs. say anything bad (or something which doesn't reflect community opinion) about him, you can get a nice debate going. this has nothing to do with baisness.
(think if someone comes and say gmg kagura can one shot pre ts laxus, you might have something to say. on the other hand if someone talks about slow hax and fast hax, no one will come)
(and there isnt much going on fairy tail verse these days either, this forum is pretty dead these days)

 

[Seven777]

1. sometimes feats or statements arent there.
2. cant we say the same for gray statement. gray didnt say what you are saying
3. i obviously dont know, just when you said your an agnostic, i was saying it didnt mean much. if you lived in American bible belt and then you were an agnostic, then yes, you have a definite open mind
4. ok. i have no other interesting topic to debate about, and then i dont get any opposition in other things. laxus is one of fan favorite, he is over hyped and stuffs. say anything bad (or something which doesn't reflect community opinion) about him, you can get a nice debate going. this has nothing to do with baisness.

1. Sure.
2. Ok?
3. Alright.
4. Nothing to do with bias? You literally just admitted that you come to this forum exclusively to say Laxus ain't shit...

 

[sharkai]

1. Sure.
2. Ok?
3. Alright.
4. Nothing to do with bias? You literally just admitted that you come to this forum exclusively to say Laxus ain't shit...

2. exactly. you use one statement and ignore the other. either give both some weight or non to both. you cant just give to one and then say you have an actual point
4. these days, pretty , much lol

 

[Seven777]

2. exactly. you use one statement and ignore the other. either give both some weight or non to both. you cant just give to one and then say you have an actual point
4. these days, pretty , much lol

2. Told you many times, feats+statements. I was never relying on Gray's statement alone, i was using it in conjunction with Laxus performance against Hades, Mira's statement about Jura, Laxus performance in GMG and Mashima's statement about Laxus being too strong to write. Feats+Statements is king, what did you think I meant when I kept repeating it?

4. All days my man, all days.

 

[sharkai]

2. Told you many times, feats+statements. I was never relying on Gray's statement alone, i was using it in conjunction with Laxus performance against Hades, Mira's statement about Jura, Laxus performance in GMG and Mashima's statement about Laxus being too strong to write. Feats+Statements is king, what did you think I meant when I kept repeating it?

4. All days my man, all days.

2. non of them states that laxus is stronger than erza.

4. seriosuly man i dont. infact i talk fairy tail only here

 

[Seven777]

2. non of them states that laxus is stronger than erza.

4. seriosuly man i dont. infact i talk fairy tail only here

Nah, they state that Jura is stronger than Erza, good enough for me.
Sure man, sure

 

[sharkai]

Nah, they state that Jura is stronger than Erza, good enough for me.
Sure man, sure

not really. though if you wana go that way it also states jura above laxus

lol

 

[Seven777]

not really. though if you wana go that way it also states jura above laxus

lol

Sure, until Laxus beat him, like I said, feats+statements

 

[sharkai]

Sure, until Laxus beat him, like I said, feats+statements

so luck in other words. if mira had fought him, you would be saying something else

 

[Seven777]

so luck in other words. if mira had fought him, you would be saying something else

No, feats.
Mira would have lost to Jura, so I'm not sure why I'd say something different

 

[Demon Hunter]

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