But it did happen. If they didn't do anything he would've done major damage. Brandish couldn't do anything against him.That is true but right after Natsu defeat him it almost seems like they pretend it never happened
But it did happen. If they didn't do anything he would've done major damage. Brandish couldn't do anything against him.That is true but right after Natsu defeat him it almost seems like they pretend it never happened
Point is Hiro isn’t going to have a side guild beat a major dark guildTake that up with him.
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I get that but the thing most of the second fights were either mostly off penal or short.But it did happen. If they didn't do anything he would've done major damage. Brandish couldn't do anything against him.
That's why I only mentioned Neinhart because the rest you'd be right about.I get that but the thing most of the second fights were either mostly off penal or short.
Being villain we all knew they weren’t going to last very long
No we don't, since we don't know if he'd come up with the idea if Erza wasn't there. Importance doesn't matter considering the point is that Jellal tried.Yes we do know since he wanted info on END. Oh wow, you two really are missing brain cells. Are those dark guilds of any importance?
No, some random fodder isn't posing any threat to world peace. They are so irrelevant that Mashima didn't even give them a name or screen time.
Saying he will do something is different than attempting.
Gray himself said he wanted info in END so.......No we don't, since we don't know if he'd come up with the idea if Erza wasn't there. Importance doesn't matter considering the point is that Jellal tried.
You tried justifying random no named dark guilds being a threat.World Peace? Doesn't matter the scale the Oración Seis were still criminals and so were the Dark Guilds. I'm gonna assume your talking about the Dark Guilds instead of the Oración Seis.
Like what? Didn't go after Zeref, didn't effectively put down any of his subordinates, didn't partake in beating any of the Balam Alliance when they were a threat. All he did was yell about beating Zeref but didn't even try.....good thing Jellal did attempt to do something and were even told and shown this in the manga.
Wanting info doesn't prove he would of done it without Erza's request. Talking about the Dark Guilds...Gray himself said he wanted info in END so.......
Tried.....he did literally nothing. "It was requested by Jellal" = he can't be bothered to do it himself.
You tried justifying random no named dark guilds being a threat.
And OS weren't threats to anyone. Legit no one cared about them after they lost.
Like what? Didn't go after Zeref, didn't effectively put down any of his subordinates, didn't partake in beating any of the Balam Alliance when they were a threat. All he did was yell about beating Zeref but didn't even try.
Beating random fodder doesn't count.
But Gray said so......Wanting info doesn't prove he would of done it without Erza's request. Talking about the Dark Guilds...
Criminals that Jet and Droy could probably beat. Still has nothing to do with his mission.Well they are, whether small or big. Still a threat. No one cared because they thought they were still locked up, if Jellal didn't do anything they'd still be the same asshole criminals.
You mean after I debunked you? ToodlesI already told you everything he did, but if you want to ignore it & pretend to not know what "trying" means that's on you . Adiós
Okay fair enoughThat's why I only mentioned Neinhart because the rest you'd be right about.
So you’re going to tell me that erza didn’t beat ajeel, that shellia na pas defecu dimaria that natsu didn’t beat jacob, that laxus didn’t beat walht because they went back to the second round?Each person I mentioned had a direct hand in taking down a Spriggan who was a major antagonist.
Jellal didn't even beat Neinhart, Natsu did.
Well according to him Wahl doesn’t count because he was a historia the second timeSo you’re going to tell me that erza didn’t beat ajeel, that shellia na pas defecu dimaria that natsu didn’t beat jacob, that laxus didn’t beat walht because they went back to the second round?
He helped defeat zeref and acnologia, beating ninehart and for acnologia he put cobra back on track to help natsu and others.In what way did he help in directly beating Zeref?
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Since his ghost remembers laxus and has all his memory, it's as if he wasn't defeated by luxus. Jacob was defeated by lucy and natsu because he was put in jail. To say that Jellal didn't defeat Ninehart is an eyesore.Well according to him Wahl doesn’t count because he was a historia the second time
Doesn’t make any senseHe helped defeat zeref and acnologia, beating ninehart and for acnologia he put cobra back on track to help natsu and others.
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Since his ghost remembers laxus and has all his memory, it's as if he wasn't defeated by luxus. Jacob was defeated by lucy and natsu because he was put in jail. To say that Jellal didn't defeat Ninehart is an eyesore.
I know it doesn't make any sense, but if we can say that Jacob didn't lose to Natsu because he fought again mira. So to say that the ghost of Wahl Icht is not defeated because his ghost is still here and good too. . .Doesn’t make any sense
I think his reasoning is after their second fight they were no longer a threatI know it doesn't make any sense, but if we can say that Jacob didn't lose to Natsu because he fought again mira. So to say that the ghost of Wahl Icht is not defeated because his ghost is still here and good too. . .
Reread the manga. She literally threatened to kill an amnesiac Jellal if he didn't remember what he had done. He tried to kill himself and she still kept yelling about how he needs to pay for his crimes... What else do you expect her to do? It's not in Erza's character to keep attacking someone who is overwhelmed with guilt and wants to make things right.She did. She forgave him as soon as he came back. He actually tormented her emotionally for several years by holding her friends hostage and making them think they abandon them. He then tried to kill her and to do that he toyed with her feelings to grant an opening. He abused and tormented Erza for ten years.
He had his own free will. Brainwashing to the extent he went was not something that would bind him to Ultear's will which was shown when he switched side easily after Natsu smacked him up. He saw a fake illusion and was ride or die Zeref cultist. Every act he committed was of his own free will. Were they his own plans, no, but he still committed the acts which why he went on a redemption path in the first place. All I hear are excuses for the crimes he has committed from Jellal fans.
I am going to tell you to read the messages because all of that has been answered.So you’re going to tell me that erza didn’t beat ajeel, that shellia na pas defecu dimaria that natsu didn’t beat jacob, that laxus didn’t beat walht because they went back to the second round?
I think it was rather the loss of memory that allowed Jellal to return to the way it was before the ultear control.We saw what Jellal was like after Ultear's manipulation stopped. He's basically as nice as you can get. Either Fairy Tail's prison system is absurdly good at reforming criminals, or Ultear's influence was pretty huge.
He regained all his memories by the time they met again before the GMG.I think it was rather the loss of memory that allowed Jellal to return to the way it was before the ultear control.