Fantasy Lucy Vs Juvia

[Axiomus]

What if Juvia targets the keys with water lock?

Again, using star dress without her keys is not confirmed. Most of it is shown off screen so we don't know yet. Based on what we've seen so far Lucy never used star dress without holding her keys.

It matters because Lucy is able to get injured. If Juvia injures certain parts of her body, it would limit lucy's movement.

She used UM against flare because she had to beat an enemy of fairy tail.

And I don't think Lucy has enough MP to summon gemini, another spirit, and use UM at the same time.

It can't. Water lock is incapable of targeting Lucy's keys. Water lock is a spell that traps a target inside a sphere of water. Lucy didn't lose her keys because water lock ripped it from her. She lost her keys because she drowned and dropped them. This can be fixed by (a) not drowning and (b) literally just holding on to her keys. Lucy has a keychain right? All she has to do is put a finger through that keychain, and this entire argument goes out the window.

Sure we do. We can look at all the times Lucy summoned stardresses without holding her keys. Lucy can summon the LeoXVirgo stardress without any keys at all, and it was entirely onscreen.

Lucy's movements were fine after being trashed by Mimi last chapter, and Mimi probably hits harder than Juvia.

So?

That's literally what she did this chapter.

 

[Seven777]

You should rewatch that scene. I just did and she didn't break it one bit. Logically she should be able to do it even easier than a normal water lock.

Again Aquarius star dress by itself can't beat Juvia. She can't get her keys back either if they are significantly father away from her.

Juvia doesn't need to 'Waste Time' opening it because she can do it instantly.

I am not going to argue for UM this time. She still won't be able to get the incantation finished because of the nature of Juvia's magic.

Yes that's why she doesn't work well. She doesn't have enough spells to hit Juvia. Others have spells that can hit Juvia and hit significantly hard. I'm pretty sure star dress mix only works because she was in elantir (Correct me if I am wrong). As for Gemini, I said this previously. Saying Lucy> Juvia is speculation because Juvia doesn't have enough feats.

No, you should reread it. Don't mistake anime filler for canon. Water Lock can be broken by literally anything, let's not pretend it's anything but one of Juvia's most fodder spells. It's no threat to current Lucy. Aqua Metria alone would let Lucy escape, get her keys back and attack Juvia all at the same time.

Why wouldn't Lucy be able to get her keys back? With Aquarius Star Dress she could easily reclaim them, hell, Base Lucy would probably reclaim them just using her whip. Not that Juvia is taking them in the first place.

Show me Juvia "opening water" instantly. Juvia couldn't dispel Aquarius Water attack instantly, far from it. You just made this whole thing up.

Good.

What do you mean "enough spells" lol? Why does she need more than one spell to beat Juvia? Lucy could literally just use the same spell again and again to put her down, it doesn't make a difference if she has one or one hundred. And why would Star Dress Mix only work in Elentir? Has she even used it in Elentir? She first used the spell in Earthland. Lucy doesn't need to be greater than Juvia to use Gemini, she can only be her equal and still copy her. And Juvia lacking feats is an argument against her, not for her lol.

 

[Itsnever2k]

You should rewatch that scene. I just did and she didn't break it one bit. Logically she should be able to do it even easier than a normal water lock.

Again Aquarius star dress by itself can't beat Juvia. She can't get her keys back either if they are significantly father away from her.

Juvia doesn't need to 'Waste Time' opening it because she can do it instantly.

I am not going to argue for UM this time. She still won't be able to get the incantation finished because of the nature of Juvia's magic.

Yes that's why she doesn't work well. She doesn't have enough spells to hit Juvia. Others have spells that can hit Juvia and hit significantly hard. I'm pretty sure star dress mix only works because she was in elantir (Correct me if I am wrong). As for Gemini, I said this previously. Saying Lucy> Juvia is speculation because Juvia doesn't have enough feats.

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You didn't read my previous post. So I was saying it isn't breakable by non-magic means.

Oh well. I am quite tired of arguing for star dress. Aquarius star dress alone won't be able to beat Juvia.

Aqua metria is earth based so she summons her own water.

Lusy and Gemini have to fuse powers to cast UM. I'm pretty sure Lucy wouldn't be able to finish the incantation without being effected.

Aquarius star dress would be enough to deal with Juvia's water lock.

Aqua metria is earth based, so she summons her own water. Ok lol.

They don't have to fuse, Lucy used it in Tartaros by herself.

 

[AWater22]

No, you should reread it. Don't mistake anime filler for canon. Water Lock can be broken by literally anything, let's not pretend it's anything but one of Juvia's most fodder spells. It's no threat to current Lucy. Aqua Metria alone would let Lucy escape, get her keys back and attack Juvia all at the same time.

Why wouldn't Lucy be able to get her keys back? With Aquarius Star Dress she could easily reclaim them, hell, Base Lucy would probably reclaim them just using her whip. Not that Juvia is taking them in the first place.

Show me Juvia "opening water" instantly. Juvia couldn't dispel Aquarius Water attack instantly, far from it. You just made this whole thing up.

Good.

What do you mean "enough spells" lol? Why does she need more than one spell to beat Juvia? Lucy could literally just use the same spell again and again to put her down, it doesn't make a difference if she has one or one hundred. And why would Star Dress Mix only work in Elentir? Has she even used it in Elentir? She first used the spell in Earthland. Lucy doesn't need to be greater than Juvia to use Gemini, she can only be her equal and still copy her. And Juvia lacking feats is an argument against her, not for her lol.

That episode was definitely canon. In the manga, the spell was still unfinished when Lucy 'broke through'. How would Aqua metria help Lucy get her keyes. It is a flood attack, which on top of not affecting water lock it would not affect Juvia due to water body or her water magic in general.

How would she get them back with Aquarius star dress.

Aquarius's attack was a full blown attack, unlike water barrier. Juvia was able to control the entire swamp in her fight with Meldy. Who says she can't control Lucy's water barrier to attack Lucy.

Lucy's strongest spells are canceled by water body. Both star dress mixes she used won't effect Juvia (Exept the Leo part of the Leo-Virgo mix). She used Leo-Virgo star dress mix in Elentir. Juvia vs Juvia is a terrible matchup because neither of them can hit the other. Juvia can just completely ignore Gemini.

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It can't. Water lock is incapable of targeting Lucy's keys. Water lock is a spell that traps a target inside a sphere of water. Lucy didn't lose her keys because water lock ripped it from her. She lost her keys because she drowned and dropped them. This can be fixed by (a) not drowning and (b) literally just holding on to her keys. Lucy has a keychain right? All she has to do is put a finger through that keychain, and this entire argument goes out the window.

Sure we do. We can look at all the times Lucy summoned stardresses without holding her keys. Lucy can summon the LeoXVirgo stardress without any keys at all, and it was entirely onscreen.

Lucy's movements were fine after being trashed by Mimi last chapter, and Mimi probably hits harder than Juvia.

So?

That's literally what she did this chapter.

HOW DO YOU KNOW???? Arguably it would take less effort to trap the keys.

The only time she summoned star dresses and spirit without keys was in Elentir. Leo x Virgo was casted without keys because she was in Elentir (Aquarius x Scorpio she used scorpio's key).

Anyone would be limited if they are injured. Lucy was in her fight with Mimi.

Elentir boosted her magic when she did that and Aquarius disappeared when Lucy was in the final moments of her spell. Juvia is a lot faster than Mimi and actually knows what the spell does so she would be able to stop Lucy from saying the last words of her Urano Mentria.

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Aquarius star dress would be enough to deal with Juvia's water lock.

Aqua metria is earth based, so she summons her own water. Ok lol.

They don't have to fuse, Lucy used it in Tartaros by herself.

It won'.t How would Aquarius star dress open water lock?

Lucy was boosted by the CSK, and she just sacrificed Aquarius and had to save her friends.

 

[Seven777]

That episode was definitely canon. In the manga, the spell was still unfinished when Lucy 'broke through'. How would Aqua metria help Lucy get her keyes. It is a flood attack, which on top of not affecting water lock it would not affect Juvia due to water body or her water magic in general.

How would she get them back with Aquarius star dress.

Aquarius's attack was a full blown attack, unlike water barrier. Juvia was able to control the entire swamp in her fight with Meldy. Who says she can't control Lucy's water barrier to attack Lucy.

Lucy's strongest spells are canceled by water body. Both star dress mixes she used won't effect Juvia (Exept the Leo part of the Leo-Virgo mix). She used Leo-Virgo star dress mix in Elentir. Juvia vs Juvia is a terrible matchup because neither of them can hit the other. Juvia can just completely ignore Gemini.

The manga is canon, not the anime. And in canon, fodder Lucy could pierce Water Lock.
As for how Aqua Metria would help, it destroys Water Lock, allowing Lucy to just grab her keys.

By attacking Juvia and taking them from her.

If she couldn't control Aqaurius' magic water, why would I assume she could control Lucy's? Controlling a random swamp she's standing in hardly equates to controlling Lucy's own magic, especially when she's proven unable to in the past.

No they aren't. Lucy's strongest spells are Star Dress Mix and Urano Metra, followed by a Loke summon and all of them hurt Juvia. Juvia isn't immune to water attacks, Erza's water sword pwns her. So yes, Gemini Juvia is a good match. It also could just be a good distraction. While Juvia is equally matched with herself, Loke joins in and beats her ass.

 

[Axiomus]

HOW DO YOU KNOW???? Arguably it would take less effort to trap the keys.

The only time she summoned star dresses and spirit without keys was in Elentir. Leo x Virgo was casted without keys because she was in Elentir (Aquarius x Scorpio she used scorpio's key).

Anyone would be limited if they are injured. Lucy was in her fight with Mimi.

Elentir boosted her magic when she did that and Aquarius disappeared when Lucy was in the final moments of her spell. Juvia is a lot faster than Mimi and actually knows what the spell does so she would be able to stop Lucy from saying the last words of her Urano Mentria.

I know because I understand what water lock does. It's a sphere of water that traps its target. It does absolutely nothing to Lucy's keys.

No. Lucy also used star dresses without her keys against Brandish and against Kyria. LeoxVirgo was never used in Elentir. LeoXVirgo was used against Elfman and Mirajane on top of Aldoron. It required no keys.

Lucy was moving fine after taking hits from Mimi. She only collapsed after she exhausted her MP casting Urano.

There's absolutely no reason Lucy can't summon 2 spirits and still cast Urano.

 

[AWater22]

The manga is canon, not the anime. And in canon, fodder Lucy could pierce Water Lock.
As for how Aqua Metria would help, it destroys Water Lock, allowing Lucy to just grab her keys.

By attacking Juvia and taking them from her.

If she couldn't control Aqaurius' magic water, why would I assume she could control Lucy's? Controlling a random swamp she's standing in hardly equates to controlling Lucy's own magic, especially when she's proven unable to in the past.

No they aren't. Lucy's strongest spells are Star Dress Mix and Urano Metra, followed by a Loke summon and all of them hurt Juvia. Juvia isn't immune to water attacks, Erza's water sword pwns her. So yes, Gemini Juvia is a good match. It also could just be a good distraction. While Juvia is equally matched with herself, Loke joins in and beats her ass.

The spell was still incomplete, that is way Lucy was able to pierce. Aqua Metria is a flood attack so it woulden't destroy water lock.

Aqua Metria wouldn't really effect Juvia because Juvia is able to walk on water.

She was able to control the white wizards spell that she took from the water dragon god. Idk why she coulden't control Aquarius' water.

Star Dress Mix Aquarius+Scorpio won't hurt Juvia; Star dress mix Leo-Virgo, Virgo's magic won't hurt Juvia. The ones you listed are the only things that hurt Juvia. Lucy still isn't able too keep star dress mix up for an extended time so Juvia can just avoid it until Lucy runs out of magic. Idk why but fairy tail loves to downplay water body. The sword and Aquarius' water blast shouldn't have affected Juvia. Juvia can ignore the other Juvia because neither of them can hurt each other. Juvia can focus on Loke and I am pretty sure she can beat Loki.

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I know because I understand what water lock does. It's a sphere of water that traps its target. It does absolutely nothing to Lucy's keys.

No. Lucy also used star dresses without her keys against Brandish and against Kyria. LeoxVirgo was never used in Elentir. LeoXVirgo was used against Elfman and Mirajane on top of Aldoron. It required no keys.

Lucy was moving fine after taking hits from Mimi. She only collapsed after she exhausted her MP casting Urano.

There's absolutely no reason Lucy can't summon 2 spirits and still cast Urano.

Your own definition will be used to prove my argument. The target will be the keys.

That happened off-screen/page so we don't know. Aquarius star dress is the only star dress that we know lucy can use without keys.

Juvia can still hit lucy with spells that can trap her and drown her.

She has to cast urano after she summons the two spirits otherwise she wouldn't have the magic power to do so. The only spirit lucy has that affects Juvia is Leo/Loke. Juvia can do what she did to gray in 100 year quest when she was 'covering his ears' to stop lucy from finishing the incantation.

 

[Axiomus]

Your own definition will be used to prove my argument. The target will be the keys.

That happened off-screen/page so we don't know. Aquarius star dress is the only star dress that we know lucy can use without keys.

Juvia can still hit lucy with spells that can trap her and drown her.

She has to cast urano after she summons the two spirits otherwise she wouldn't have the magic power to do so. The only spirit lucy has that affects Juvia is Leo/Loke. Juvia can do what she did to gray in 100 year quest when she was 'covering his ears' to stop lucy from finishing the incantation.

Lol. I don't even.... Do you really not understand why water lock can't target Lucy's keys? Water lock is a big ball of water. Lucy's keys is a small object that she carries around on her person. Given the size of water lock, it is physically impossible for water lock to target Lucy's keys to the exclusion of Lucy's body. If Juvia aims water lock on Lucy's keys, Lucy's whole body is still going to end up inside the ball of water. You are trying to assert that Juvia has the ability to rip objects from Lucy's grasp once they are trapped inside water lock's ball of water. She does not. That's not what happened when they first met. What happened was that Lucy drowned, and her keys fell off her belt. The same thing would have happened if Lucy drowned in a swimming pool.

No it didn't. The entire transformation was on page.

Trying to drown Lucy in Aquarius stardress is a losing strategy.

No. She can cast Urano without any summons. That's how she beat Jackal. It just won't be as powerful as the one that beat Mimi, but it doesn't have to be to beat Juvia.

 

[AWater22]

Lol. I don't even.... Do you really not understand why water lock can't target Lucy's keys? Water lock is a big ball of water. Lucy's keys is a small object that she carries around on her person. Given the size of water lock, it is physically impossible for water lock to target Lucy's keys to the exclusion of Lucy's body. If Juvia aims water lock on Lucy's keys, Lucy's whole body is still going to end up inside the ball of water. You are trying to assert that Juvia has the ability to rip objects from Lucy's grasp once they are trapped inside water lock's ball of water. She does not. That's not what happened when they first met. What happened was that Lucy drowned, and her keys fell off her belt. The same thing would have happened if Lucy drowned in a swimming pool.

No it didn't. The entire transformation was on page.

Trying to drown Lucy in Aquarius stardress is a losing strategy.

No. She can cast Urano without any summons. That's how she beat Jackal. It just won't be as powerful as the one that beat Mimi, but it doesn't have to be to beat Juvia.

Water lock DOESN'T HAVE TO BE BIG. In the key to the starry heavens ark, that statue thing was much bigger than Lucy, so this shows water lock's size can vary. She can make a tiny water lock to target the keys. Juvia can just trap the keys while they are still in Lucy's belt.

This is pointless arguing. I saw that she first is normal, then she appears in star dress in a completely different position. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN BETWEEN.

Lucy still can drown in her Aquarius star dress. Se can still be trapped in water in Aquarius star dress. Lucy can't control existing water with Aquarius star dress.

She doesn't have enough power to cast Urano while summoning 2 spirits. When she casted Urano against Jackal no spirits were summoned at that time.

 

[Axiomus]

Water lock DOESN'T HAVE TO BE BIG. In the key to the starry heavens ark, that statue thing was much bigger than Lucy, so this shows water lock's size can vary. She can make a tiny water lock to target the keys. Juvia can just trap the keys while they are still in Lucy's belt.

This is pointless arguing. I saw that she first is normal, then she appears in star dress in a completely different position. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED IN BETWEEN.

Lucy still can drown in her Aquarius star dress. Se can still be trapped in water in Aquarius star dress. Lucy can't control existing water with Aquarius star dress.

She doesn't have enough power to cast Urano while summoning 2 spirits. When she casted Urano against Jackal no spirits were summoned at that time.

Water lock doesn't have to be big because anime filler shows a version of water lock that is....even bigger? Also, there's nothing stopping Lucy from just grabbing her keys then. She can just stick her hand through the water and grab the keys. Quite frankly, if water lock isn't big enough to submerge Lucy's head then it is....relatively useless.

We have 3 panels of Lucy transforming. No key.

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Anyways, the Aquarius star dress is the only one that really matters here, and it doesn't need a key.

Lucy can control existing water with stardress.

Aquarius stardress has enough magic power for her to cast Urano Metria while keeping the Spirit King summoned, which counts as 3 spirits.

 

[AWater22]

Water lock doesn't have to be big because anime filler shows a version of water lock that is....even bigger? Also, there's nothing stopping Lucy from just grabbing her keys then. She can just stick her hand through the water and grab the keys. Quite frankly, if water lock isn't big enough to submerge Lucy's head then it is....relatively useless.

We have 3 panels of Lucy transforming. No key.

Spoiler

Anyways, the Aquarius star dress is the only one that really matters here, and it doesn't need a key.

Lucy can control existing water with stardress.

Aquarius stardress has enough magic power for her to cast Urano Metria while keeping the Spirit King summoned, which counts as 3 spirits.

In the time where Lucy was captured by Juvia, she was banging her hand on the water lock as if it was solid. Juvia even said it was 'unbreakable' by non-magic means.

Her other hand is out of view and how do you know the keys weren't fused into her skin in that symbol..

She can't. Give me an example of her doing that.

The spirit king was boosting Lucy and he gave Lucy the Aquarius star dress so she wasn't equipped to it. The spirit king was there because Lucy broke Aquarius's key so he wasn't impacting her magic power.

 

[Axiomus]

In the time where Lucy was captured by Juvia, she was banging her hand on the water lock as if it was solid. Juvia even said it was 'unbreakable' by non-magic means.

Her other hand is out of view and how do you know the keys weren't fused into her skin in that symbol..

She can't. Give me an example of her doing that.

The spirit king was boosting Lucy and he gave Lucy the Aquarius star dress so she wasn't equipped to it. The spirit king was there because Lucy broke Aquarius's key so he wasn't impacting her magic power.

Her other hand was touching the ground. And if Lucy is fusing the keys in her skin, then Juvia has no chance of ripping it from her.

Lucy was literally able to poke her head out of water lock. It's not a solid wall at all.

Spoiler

Sure.

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Spirit King wasn't boosting Lucy. He gave her Aquarius' stardress, which had Aquarius' magic power. That's what Lucy used to sustain the summoning of the king, as well as cast Urano Metria. The star dress alone gives Lucy enough power to keep the king summoned and cast Urano.

 

[Seven777]

The spell was still incomplete, that is way Lucy was able to pierce. Aqua Metria is a flood attack so it woulden't destroy water lock.

Aqua Metria wouldn't really effect Juvia because Juvia is able to walk on water.

She was able to control the white wizards spell that she took from the water dragon god. Idk why she coulden't control Aquarius' water.

Star Dress Mix Aquarius+Scorpio won't hurt Juvia; Star dress mix Leo-Virgo, Virgo's magic won't hurt Juvia. The ones you listed are the only things that hurt Juvia. Lucy still isn't able too keep star dress mix up for an extended time so Juvia can just avoid it until Lucy runs out of magic. Idk why but fairy tail loves to downplay water body. The sword and Aquarius' water blast shouldn't have affected Juvia. Juvia can ignore the other Juvia because neither of them can hurt each other. Juvia can focus on Loke and I am pretty sure she can beat Loki.

You just made that up. The water bubble was formed, the spell was complete. Yes Aqua Metria is a flood attack, which is why it would destroy Water Lock. You're acting like Water Lock is some top tier spell lol, it isn't, even for Juvia. Anyone can pierce it. it's just water, it's not even solid, the very fact that characters can wriggle around inside of it confirms this. Elfman can punch through it, Lucy can kick through it, Taurus could axe through it. It is one of Juvia's most useless spells, she never even uses it for defense. Why? Because it's not solid, it's sole purpose is to drown people.

So? It busts water lock, that's all it really needs to do.

What? The White Witch? What are you talking about? Juvia can't control Lucy's magic, because she couldn't control Aquarius' magic, and Aquarius is.... Lucy's magic. So that's a definite no on her controlling water shield.

Yes it will, and yes it will. Both Star Dress Mixes hurt Juvia and at %100 effectiveness, they're nukes. Virgo and Loke's powers aren't two elements that Lucy's shooting at Juvia separately, they're mixed, hence the name. And what they've mixed into is a nuke, which Juvia can't use water body to defend against. Juvia has no special immunity that makes her resist the Virgo half of the attack, she's just immune to physical attacks. If Virgo doesn't hit with a physical attack, then Juvia isn't immune to it, Star Dress Mix isn't a physical attack, and so Juvia takes %100 of the damage.
Juvia simply isn't immune to water, that's all. Why would she be? She's not a dragon slayer. By rights water should be her weakness, no different to how MBPs are Bloodman's weakness.

 

[One4All]

You demand for showing panels yet you don't practice what you preach.lol

As Ax just showed. Weak Lucy literally poke her head out WITHOUT using any magic. That just means your overhyped Water Lock is breakable. SHOW US then a panel wherein Juvia used Water Lock on just a part of someone's body. The recent feat the spell had was on GH arc wherein she used it against fodders,she didn't even tried using it against Meldy. If that so called unbreakable spell is very effective,how come Juvia didn't used it against Meldy who doesn't have any water based spell? Also,Vidaldus from TOH arc was able to break free of that Water Lock.

It is pretty much an assumption in FT when 2 mages has the same element,they pretty much cancels out or has some immunity to their respective spells. For example:
-Natsu against Bora
-Natsu against Totomaru(PL fire user)
-Gray against all the ice mages he faced
-Wendy vs Chelia
-Laxus vs Orga
-Gildarts vs Bluenote
-Kagura vs Libra
-Juvia vs Aquarius

By going by that assumption,Lucy should be able to break free from Water Lock and be able to counter Juvia's water based spells.

You ignore the fact that Gemini can just copy Juvia. How would Juvia ignore herself who is as strong as her? Gemini-Juvia can use Water Lock on Juvia then?can use all of those spells Juvia has. By saying it's a terrible matchup and she can just ignore Juvia,that just means you agree that Gemini can copy Juvia hence,Lucy is >= Juvia MPwise.

How would you explain Lucy needs keys to do SDM?Lucy literally showed her fist with the zodiac keys mark. It's the same with Aquarius SD. You just said it yourself.

That happened off-screen/page so we don't know. Aquarius star dress is the only star dress that we know lucy can use without keys.

You see Juvia as a speedster when she is not. If anything,Juvia and Lucy are equal on speed. You also see her as someone very intelligent battlewise,she wasn't. Erza was even disappointed in her when she faced Juvia and Lissana on the S Class Exam. You were so absolute on Juvia's decisions as if you were really her.lol.

And why would you ignore the fact that Lucy can summon 3 spirits? The spirits becomes stronger when their summoner does. Gemini who could copy Juvia shouldn't be very strong from the rest of the12 Zodiac Gates. Juvia will literally face 3 spirits around her tier. Lucy doesn't even need to interfere. If you add SD Lucy, that makes 4.

Lucy's strongest spells are canceled by water body. Both star dress mixes she used won't effect Juvia (Exept the Leo part of the Leo-Virgo mix).

I'll say this back to you,HOW DID YOU KNOW?? Okay then,SHOW ME a panel wherein Juvia was unaffected by AquariusXScorpio spell. You are so absolute on your made up Juvia counters as if they really happened. You said:
-Juvia won't be affected by AquariusXScorpio spell (I forgot the name)
-won't be affected by Aqua Metria
-is more knowledgeable battlewise than Mimi
-is more faster than Mimi
-Juvia vs Juvia is a teribble matchup. Can just ignore Gemini
-Can float away the keys
-Can control Lucy's water. How about Lucy then?
-Can control Merc's Water thru WW?????(when did that happen?when was that stated??I think you need to reread Merc and Aldo arc. Or might as well,just re-read Juvia and Lucy's fights on the original series until 100YQ)

By just all of these(not including the rest of your "counters"),please show me a panel of Juvia doing ALL of those. You were ignoring Lucy's feats while making up Juvia's feats,and bringing up her outdated and fodder spells by 100YQ standards. Lucy had shown better feats against opponents equal or stronger than Juvia. You just dropped your Wings of Love spell when you say it is Juvia's strongest attack. You even ignored Aquarius and Lucy's AOE feats with Aqua Metria compared to Juvia controlling SWAMP??add to that Lion Maiden,which is a nuke. BSS Mira and Elfman weren't even able to dodge it although they tanked it. Even without using UM,Lucy will still win this by power and numbers.

You're right,your arguments are pointless.lol. Please make some facts about Juvia's strength after we see some new powerup from her. Hell,even if we just use receiving powerups as an argument,Juvia will still not win it. So far,out of the main cast and secondary ones,Juvia was obviously left behind together with Levy.

 

[AWater22]

Her other hand was touching the ground. And if Lucy is fusing the keys in her skin, then Juvia has no chance of ripping it from her.

Lucy was literally able to poke her head out of water lock. It's not a solid wall at all.

Spoiler

Sure.

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Spirit King wasn't boosting Lucy. He gave her Aquarius' stardress, which had Aquarius' magic power. That's what Lucy used to sustain the summoning of the king, as well as cast Urano Metria. The star dress alone gives Lucy enough power to keep the king summoned and cast Urano.

How do you know her other hand was on the ground? Juvia jjust needs to seperate them before Lucy uses them

That is Lucy's own summoned water because Aqua Metria is earth based. I'm pretty sure there was no earth-water in the scenes that she uses.

The king isn't there on Lucy's power. He leaves when Lucy runs out of power but he doesn't take away Lucy's power. I'm assuming this but you are assuming that as well. Plus Lucy had emotions power, which definitely won't come up in Lucy vs Juvia fight.

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You just made that up. The water bubble was formed, the spell was complete. Yes Aqua Metria is a flood attack, which is why it would destroy Water Lock. You're acting like Water Lock is some top tier spell lol, it isn't, even for Juvia. Anyone can pierce it. it's just water, it's not even solid, the very fact that characters can wriggle around inside of it confirms this. Elfman can punch through it, Lucy can kick through it, Taurus could axe through it. It is one of Juvia's most useless spells, she never even uses it for defense. Why? Because it's not solid, it's sole purpose is to drown people.

So? It busts water lock, that's all it really needs to do.

What? The White Witch? What are you talking about? Juvia can't control Lucy's magic, because she couldn't control Aquarius' magic, and Aquarius is.... Lucy's magic. So that's a definite no on her controlling water shield.

Yes it will, and yes it will. Both Star Dress Mixes hurt Juvia and at %100 effectiveness, they're nukes. Virgo and Loke's powers aren't two elements that Lucy's shooting at Juvia separately, they're mixed, hence the name. And what they've mixed into is a nuke, which Juvia can't use water body to defend against. Juvia has no special immunity that makes her resist the Virgo half of the attack, she's just immune to physical attacks. If Virgo doesn't hit with a physical attack, then Juvia isn't immune to it, Star Dress Mix isn't a physical attack, and so Juvia takes %100 of the damage.
Juvia simply isn't immune to water, that's all. Why would she be? She's not a dragon slayer. By rights water should be her weakness, no different to how MBPs are Bloodman's weakness.

The bubble was still forming. In the Anime it showed it as Lucy was banging against the Bubble. Even in Manga there were still waves around the bubble in the panel before Lucy broke out and the bubble was still when she was inside. The edges of it are solid, not the inside. Flood attacks would just move water lock further away.

Even if it does break Water Lock, Lucy's keys would be pushed even further away from her.

White Wizard/Witch/Touka/The person with Merc's magic. She is called so many things.

Leo-Virgo does but Aquarius-Scorpio doesn't, It shoots earth-water at target. Plus, Lucy has only enough energy for one blast. Juvia got hit by Meldy many times and still got up. She has also been able to take DS grays hits many times. One hit won't defeat her. Plus, Elfman and Lisana tanks and Juvia is stronger than both of them. (You can argue she is not stronger than Elfman but she is definately stronger than Lisana.)

Juvia can literally walk on water, Lucy's flood attacks won't affect her. Juvia can walk on the flood. Other water attacks would be either controlled by Juvia or do nothing because of water body. Maybe she can even add it to her water body (Her tears themselves contained enough water to flood the fairy tail guild hall, so who knows how much water she drunk. XD).

 

[Seven777]

The bubble was still forming. In the Anime it showed it as Lucy was banging against the Bubble. Even in Manga there were still waves around the bubble in the panel before Lucy broke out and the bubble was still when she was inside. The edges of it are solid, not the inside. Flood attacks would just move water lock further away.

Even if it does break Water Lock, Lucy's keys would be pushed even further away from her.

White Wizard/Witch/Touka/The person with Merc's magic. She is called so many things.

Leo-Virgo does but Aquarius-Scorpio doesn't, It shoots earth-water at target. Plus, Lucy has only enough energy for one blast. Juvia got hit by Meldy many times and still got up. She has also been able to take DS grays hits many times. One hit won't defeat her. Plus, Elfman and Lisana tanks and Juvia is stronger than both of them. (You can argue she is not stronger than Elfman but she is definately stronger than Lisana.)

Juvia can literally walk on water, Lucy's flood attacks won't affect her. Juvia can walk on the flood. Other water attacks would be either controlled by Juvia or do nothing because of water body. Maybe she can even add it to her water body (Her tears themselves contained enough water to flood the fairy tail guild hall, so who knows how much water she drunk. XD).

No it wasn't, it was already formed before Lucy poked her head out, you can see it in the panel before. The edges are also not solid. And no, the flood would destroy water lock.

That's fine, Lucy has her whip to snatch them. But like I said, destroying Water Lock isn't really necessary. All Lucy has to do is hold onto her keys, too easy.

What about her? What has she got to do with Juvia vs Lucy?

So what if it shoots earth/water at the target? Juvia isn't immune to either of those things.
Lisanna got oneshot, so Juvia being stronger than her means nothing.
Elfman is head and shoulders above Juvia, they're not even in the same class. It'd take Lucy and Juvia combined to beat Elfman.
Tanking hits from Melody means literally nothing.
As for Gray, sure, she took a couple hits from him, which is frankly the only reason I'm even entertaining this discussion, but Lucy's Star Dress Mix has more power in it than a hit from Gajeel, much more power and with Lucy's latest feats against Mimi? The stuff she tanked? Juvia has no chance. But let's say Juvia doesn't get oneshot from Mix, it doesn't matter. Lucy can still summon several spirits after using Mix. She could just have Loke and Scorpio finish Juvia off.

You speak like walking on water actually means something. It doesn't. Juvia has also never show any sort of immunity to water, and has proven to be unable to control Lucy's water, so that's a definite no on all those theories.

 

[AWater22]

You demand for showing panels yet you don't practice what you preach.lol

As Ax just showed. Weak Lucy literally poke her head out WITHOUT using any magic. That just means your overhyped Water Lock is breakable. SHOW US then a panel wherein Juvia used Water Lock on just a part of someone's body. The recent feat the spell had was on GH arc wherein she used it against fodders,she didn't even tried using it against Meldy. If that so called unbreakable spell is very effective,how come Juvia didn't used it against Meldy who doesn't have any water based spell? Also,Vidaldus from TOH arc was able to break free of that Water Lock.

It is pretty much an assumption in FT when 2 mages has the same element,they pretty much cancels out or has some immunity to their respective spells. For example:
-Natsu against Bora
-Natsu against Totomaru(PL fire user)
-Gray against all the ice mages he faced
-Wendy vs Chelia
-Laxus vs Orga
-Gildarts vs Bluenote
-Kagura vs Libra
-Juvia vs Aquarius

By going by that assumption,Lucy should be able to break free from Water Lock and be able to counter Juvia's water based spells.

You ignore the fact that Gemini can just copy Juvia. How would Juvia ignore herself who is as strong as her? Gemini-Juvia can use Water Lock on Juvia then?can use all of those spells Juvia has. By saying it's a terrible matchup and she can just ignore Juvia,that just means you agree that Gemini can copy Juvia hence,Lucy is >= Juvia MPwise.

How would you explain Lucy needs keys to do SDM?Lucy literally showed her fist with the zodiac keys mark. It's the same with Aquarius SD. You just said it yourself.



You see Juvia as a speedster when she is not. If anything,Juvia and Lucy are equal on speed. You also see her as someone very intelligent battlewise,she wasn't. Erza was even disappointed in her when she faced Juvia and Lissana on the S Class Exam. You were so absolute on Juvia's decisions as if you were really her.lol.

And why would you ignore the fact that Lucy can summon 3 spirits? The spirits becomes stronger when their summoner does. Gemini who could copy Juvia shouldn't be very strong from the rest of the12 Zodiac Gates. Juvia will literally face 3 spirits around her tier. Lucy doesn't even need to interfere. If you add SD Lucy, that makes 4.



I'll say this back to you,HOW DID YOU KNOW?? Okay then,SHOW ME a panel wherein Juvia was unaffected by AquariusXScorpio spell. You are so absolute on your made up Juvia counters as if they really happened. You said:
-Juvia won't be affected by AquariusXScorpio spell (I forgot the name)
-won't be affected by Aqua Metria
-is more knowledgeable battlewise than Mimi
-is more faster than Mimi
-Juvia vs Juvia is a teribble matchup. Can just ignore Gemini
-Can float away the keys
-Can control Lucy's water. How about Lucy then?
-Can control Merc's Water thru WW?????(when did that happen?when was that stated??I think you need to reread Merc and Aldo arc. Or might as well,just re-read Juvia and Lucy's fights on the original series until 100YQ)

By just all of these(not including the rest of your "counters"),please show me a panel of Juvia doing ALL of those. You were ignoring Lucy's feats while making up Juvia's feats,and bringing up her outdated and fodder spells by 100YQ standards. Lucy had shown better feats against opponents equal or stronger than Juvia. You just dropped your Wings of Love spell when you say it is Juvia's strongest attack. You even ignored Aquarius and Lucy's AOE feats with Aqua Metria compared to Juvia controlling SWAMP??add to that Lion Maiden,which is a nuke. BSS Mira and Elfman weren't even able to dodge it although they tanked it. Even without using UM,Lucy will still win this by power and numbers.

You're right,your arguments are pointless.lol. Please make some facts about Juvia's strength after we see some new powerup from her. Hell,even if we just use receiving powerups as an argument,Juvia will still not win it. So far,out of the main cast and secondary ones,Juvia was obviously left behind together with Levy.

She poked her head out because the spell was unfinished at the time. (The anime depicts this better as Lucy banging on the ends of water lock as if it were a wall.) Vidaldus absorbed it with his hair. I'm saying that Juvia can use water lock on the keys to keep them away from Lucy.

Lucy was never able to control existing water with Aquarius star dress.

Juvia ignores herself because gemini can't do anything to Juvia and same thing the other way around. We don't know now, but I assumed they were equal in MP

We don't know yet if she needs her keys or not for SDM.

Juvia is incredibly fast when she turns into water. She did this against Erza and Gray. I don't think Lucy can beat that in speed.

You make a valid argument. Juvia is not the most intelligent fighter, but this still is a possibility. I don't think Lucy ever used the strategy of making Gemini turn into her opponent and Lucy never starts the battle with 2 spirits. She usually goes one at a time. Lucy also talks at the start of battle, so she never usually tries to fight first. On the other hand if Lucy were there Juvia would say "LOVE RIVAL!" and immediately attack her.

Juvia won't be affected by AquariusxScorpio because it is an upgraded aqua metria, which also won't affect Juvia (Because Juvia can walk on the aqua metria). Juvia controlled WW's water when WW was showing fairy tail her magic.

Lucy can't control existing water.

How am I supposed to find proof of Juvia fighting Lucy. That would never really happen. Aqua Metria has earth based water which is similar to the swamp. She also controlled Merc's water and aquarius's water which shows she can control magic water. She doesn't even have to control aqua metria she can just float on top of it. Aqua metria hurts its target by either drowning (Juvia can't drown), or hitting them against a surface (Juvia can float on top of it and it can't do a thing). It is true that Juvia doesn't have a lot of feats but that could be used as to say that we don't know the extent of her power. I am just using logic to prove that Juvia can win.

I love Juvia

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No it wasn't, it was already formed before Lucy poked her head out, you can see it in the panel before. The edges are also not solid. And no, the flood would destroy water lock.

That's fine, Lucy has her whip to snatch them. But like I said, destroying Water Lock isn't really necessary. All Lucy has to do is hold onto her keys, too easy.

What about her? What has she got to do with Juvia vs Lucy?

So what if it shoots earth/water at the target? Juvia isn't immune to either of those things.
Lisanna got oneshot, so Juvia being stronger than her means nothing.
Elfman is head and shoulders above Juvia, they're not even in the same class. It'd take Lucy and Juvia combined to beat Elfman.
Tanking hits from Melody means literally nothing.
As for Gray, sure, she took a couple hits from him, which is frankly the only reason I'm even entertaining this discussion, but Lucy's Star Dress Mix has more power in it than a hit from Gajeel, much more power and with Lucy's latest feats against Mimi? The stuff she tanked? Juvia has no chance. But let's say Juvia doesn't get oneshot from Mix, it doesn't matter. Lucy can still summon several spirits after using Mix. She could just have Loke and Scorpio finish Juvia off.

You speak like walking on water actually means something. It doesn't. Juvia has also never show any sort of immunity to water, and has proven to be unable to control Lucy's water, so that's a definite no on all those theories.

You are missing my argument. It wasn't already formed that is why there were still waves around the water lock. There were none when lucy was inside it next. How do you know the edges are not solid? In the anime it shows that it was solid. In the manga the spell was incomplete when Lucy broke out. How would the flood do so, it would push water lock away.

What if Juvia attacks Lucy before she uses her whip. How would Lucy know to hold on to her keys.

Juvia controlled swamp water, which was a similar composition.

Juvia controlled 'her' water, which shows she can control magic water. I just forgot, she controlled aquarius's water in their fight against Vidaldus.

How do you know that elfman is above both of them? In his fight against Lucy he had Mira on his side.

She tanked hits over and over and over and over. Same for gray even while Juvia was holding back.

I'm using that as an argument for how she could tank Star dress mix. Juvia can also do what Lucy did against Jackal. Juvia can put up a water barrier to nulify the attack. It probably won't completely stop it but it would prevent much of the damage.

SHE CAN WALK ON THE FLOOD. The flood hurts people by drowning them (Juvia can't drown) or hitting them against the ground or other object. Juvia can walk on aqua metria which would prevent her from getting damaged by it.

 

[Seven777]

You are missing my argument. It wasn't already formed that is why there were still waves around the water lock. There were none when lucy was inside it next. How do you know the edges are not solid? In the anime it shows that it was solid. In the manga the spell was incomplete when Lucy broke out. How would the flood do so, it would push water lock away.

What if Juvia attacks Lucy before she uses her whip. How would Lucy know to hold on to her keys.

Juvia controlled swamp water, which was a similar composition.

Juvia controlled 'her' water, which shows she can control magic water. I just forgot, she controlled aquarius's water in their fight against Vidaldus.

How do you know that elfman is above both of them? In his fight against Lucy he had Mira on his side.

She tanked hits over and over and over and over. Same for gray even while Juvia was holding back.

I'm using that as an argument for how she could tank Star dress mix. Juvia can also do what Lucy did against Jackal. Juvia can put up a water barrier to nulify the attack. It probably won't completely stop it but it would prevent much of the damage.

SHE CAN WALK ON THE FLOOD. The flood hurts people by drowning them (Juvia can't drown) or hitting them against the ground or other object. Juvia can walk on aqua metria which would prevent her from getting damaged by it.

I'm not missing it, I'm denying it. To begin with nothing suggests Water Lock has a complete or incomplete stage, this is something you've invented in your head. Secondly, even if there were two stages, which there aren't, nothing suggests durability improves between them, this is another thing you've just made up. Thirdly, the manga is canon, not the anime. As for how the flood busts water lock, force, like anything else.

Because Lucy is significantly smarter than Juvia, and because she knows how to protect her keys better than Juvia knows how to take them.

What chapter did Juvia control her water?
Juvia didn't control Aquarius' water, Lucy and her did a Unison Raid. It's like saying she controlled Gray's Ice lol.

Because he beat Ajeel. because he matched Madmole. Because he no sold Star Dress Mix. Every single one of these feats craps on everything Lucy and Juvia have done. Elfman is in another league to these two.
She tanked two punches from Gray. Not bad... not enough. And like I said, even if she doesn't get oneshot, Lucy still just finishes her off afterwards.
Juvia doesn't have a water barrier, that's Lucy's spell.
What flood? What are you talking about? And what the hell is the point of walking on Aqua Metria lol? If she's fast enough to jump on top of it she might as well just dodge it completely. But she's not fast enough, so she gets hurt.

 

[Axiomus]

How do you know her other hand was on the ground? Juvia jjust needs to seperate them before Lucy uses them

That is Lucy's own summoned water because Aqua Metria is earth based. I'm pretty sure there was no earth-water in the scenes that she uses.

The king isn't there on Lucy's power. He leaves when Lucy runs out of power but he doesn't take away Lucy's power. I'm assuming this but you are assuming that as well. Plus Lucy had emotions power, which definitely won't come up in Lucy vs Juvia fight.

Because she's posting on it. Btw, the scorpioxaquarius mix shows both hands, and again Lucy isn't holding a key.

The only reason Lucy used the Aquarius stardress was because they were underwater. But whatever. If it's earth based, then Juvia can't control it....and Aqua Metria being a town-level attack simply smashes through water lock.

POF doesn't makes a difference here, because the MP required to keep the Spirit King and cast Urano against Jackal was from the stardress. The star dress alone has enough MP to keep the spirit king summoned and cast Urano. Lucy just needs enough MP to requip the stardress. And yes, the Spirit King was relying on Lucy to keep his gate open. That's why he gave her the stardress.

 

[Phaizzy]

Juvia is a wasted character. Lucy would pop her and with ease