One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[M3J]

Right. Like, Ace was strong, beat Luffy all the time without a DF. Shanks, Garp, etc. Luffy would be strong without the DF. He'd just fight differently.

but the problem is, he was able to beat Luffy after Luffy got his fruit mainly because Luffy didn't know how to use/controll it well

 

[HereNThere]

Honestly? The blunt immunity ain't even that impressive. Like, nearly everyone and their mother carries swords or some sort of spiked weapon in this world. It's literally an easy bypass after Luffy inevitably blurts out that he's a rubber man for the hundredth time.

Luffy would be strong without the DF. He'd just fight differently.

Yup. He and Ace were literally trained by Garp their entire childhood. You know who else was trained by Garp? Aokiji. So thinking that Luffy's fruit is solely what makes him special or strong is ignoring everything we've seen and learned about him in the series.

Spoiler

Fishman are 10 times stronger than the average human and Arlong was probably even more so at that point in the series. Yet here he is, unable to allow his sword to even budge from Luffy's grip. And then to top it off, Luffy crushes steel with his bare hands. But yeah, no, Luffy's fruit is the only reason he's strong.

 

[Fox666]

but the problem is, he was able to beat Luffy after Luffy got his fruit mainly because Luffy didn't know how to use/controll it well

Luffy trained with Ace for 7 years while he had the fruit, yet he never won against Ace.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Luffy trained with Ace for 7 years while he had the fruit, yet he never wom against Ace.

People tend to forget that throughout most of Luffy's childhood, his training was focused solely on controlling his stupid rubber powers meanwhile, Ace (and Sabo) were getting stronger each day.

Without the fruit, he likely would've been a monster while growing up.

 

[M3J]

Luffy trained with Ace for 7 years while he had the fruit, yet he never wom against Ace.

Which could be for various reasons though, primarily not having a good handle on his fruit ability until way after Ace left.

 

[XXGenesis]

Darn tootin'. We're not about to take Luffy's positives away from him

The durability buff doesn’t take away from Luffy’s tenacity or Immense will power during a fight.

Honestly? The blunt immunity ain't even that impressive. Like, nearly everyone and their mother carries swords or some sort of spiked weapon in this world. It's literally an easy bypass after Luffy inevitably blurts out that he's a rubber man for the hundredth time.
Yes it is. Do we not remember when Luffy tanked Countless physical attacks only to be unaffected. Weapons are your best bet against him….How many of these weapon users are actually worth a damn??

Premier Weapon users would no doubt give Luffy difficulty. Mihawk…We saw how Luffy handled Katakuri’s Spearman Ship fine and dandy. Marine Ford a battle field of chaos was a good representation on how effective weapon user can be against Luffy, i.e the VA of the Marines. Luffy would still come out the victor

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Yamato might be stronger than both Zoro and sanji

 

[I Am Atomic]

Yamato might be stronger than both Zoro and sanji

No doubt! She is singlehandedly holding off Kaido. Even Luffy couldn't do that until he learned ACoC.

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

No doubt! She is singlehandedly holding off Kaido. Even Luffy couldn't do that until he learned ACoC.

It’s extra funny to me because I remember how it was being used to clown sanji and now Yamato might be above them both
Life is funny like that

but as I said the signs were there , casually clashing with luffy in g2+g3 without zoan powers , eating those tank shells , one shotting the number, being kaido daughter
Also actually briefly knocking out ulti is super impressive
I suspect they can use advanced haki possible even flow

 

[HereNThere]

Yeah, Yamato is definitely stronger than the Supernova who faced Kaido not too long ago. Hell, I'd go as far to say that he's stronger than Luffy at the moment, though Luffy will lap him when he gets back up top.

 

[XXGenesis]

It’s extra funny to me because I remember how it was being used to clown sanji and now Yamato might be above them both
Life is funny like that

but as I said the signs were there , casually clashing with luffy in g2+g3 without zoan powers , eating those tank shells , one shotting the number, being kaido daughter
Also actually briefly knocking out ulti is super impressive
I suspect they can use advanced haki possible even flow

Yo the irony behind it all is super funny. I never taunted the fans basesbut now as a Zoro fan I’m salty.

Me personally did not have the perspective Yamamoto was tanking those explosive shells. It seems He was receiving minor damage, and couldn’t just sit there and go back and forth all day with the armour division, as to why he eas going Zoan….

His Clash with Luffy was brief, and he knocked out Ulti, who recovered. So all in all I was speculating C3-C2lv max with Zoan.

But go ahead and prove us Wrong Oda.

 

[Pirate Queen]

If she joins the Strawhats the power dynamic is going to be insane!

We have Luffy, who I am now sure is weaker than Yamato without Advanced CoC

Yamato being stronger than Zoro AND Jinbe, who are pretty much equals

Sanji who seems to be closer to Jinbe and Zoro than he has gotten credit for

Now we have Franky that is handedly whooping a New World Veteran and Mythical Zoan User

People are gunna freak

 

[Fox666]

Now we have Franky that is handedly whooping a New World Veteran and Mythical Zoan User

The villains are as strong as the plot requires...

Who's Who is a little weaker than Jinbe, Sasaki is a little weaker than Franky

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

If she joins the Strawhats the power dynamic is going to be insane!

We have Luffy, who I am now sure is weaker than Yamato without Advanced CoC

Yamato being stronger than Zoro AND Jinbe, who are pretty much equals

Sanji who seems to be closer to Jinbe and Zoro than he has gotten credit for

Now we have Franky that is handedly whooping a New World Veteran and Mythical Zoan User

People are gunna freak

Well sakasaki is ancient zoan not mythical , mythical zoans are crazy op fighters so far
And the thing is with the right franky didn’t put and out outpower him it was of clever maneuvering and some trickery

Yo the irony behind it all is super funny. I never taunted the fans basesbut now as a Zoro fan I’m salty.

Me personally did not have the perspective Yamamoto was tanking those explosive shells. It seems He was receiving minor damage, and couldn’t just sit there and go back and forth all day with the armour division, as to why he eas going Zoan….

His Clash with Luffy was brief, and he knocked out Ulti, who recovered. So all in all I was speculating C3-C2lv max with Zoan.

But go ahead and prove us Wrong Oda.

Knocking out ulti is impressive seeing as how it is to knock out an ancient zoan with context it’s impressive
Heck a big mum attack while it damaged her didn’t knock her out for so long
I can’t see Jack doing how well Yamato did against a casual but determined luffy in gear 2 &. E so in base Yamato was flirting with at lest yc1 and yc2 level

Yamato is still the née oden , character who was around scooper and Rayleigh level , heck theybeat Kaido , likely stronger than either at time of death

 

[kkck]

I don't think the trickery part is all that relevant regarding franky's victory but I do think it is worth noting franky won the fight by a fair at best. Franky doesn't have haki and we saw how towards the end sasaki was pretty much shredding through franky's robot. Franky is presumably made out of the same material meaning that sasaki could have easily shred through his main body as well. But franky landed that radical beam which won the day. Presumably at least. Given the lack of "Franky vs sasaki" title in the chapter I think there is a small chance the fight might continue. I don't think too highly of the topo robi but sasaki only took a slash from franky's sword and the radical beam, which seems to not be that much damage for an ancient zoan.

As for WW vs jinbe... by all appearances the difference between the two was a more than decent margin. It doesn't appear like WW even dealt much damage on jinbe at all. Specially telling is that WW fingers straight up broke when using shigan against a hardened jinbe. On another note it is a disappointment that this is the only haki enhanced rokushiki fight we are going to get.

 

[Crimson Ice]

If she joins the Strawhats the power dynamic is going to be insane!

We have Luffy, who I am now sure is weaker than Yamato without Advanced CoC

Yamato being stronger than Zoro AND Jinbe, who are pretty much equals

Sanji who seems to be closer to Jinbe and Zoro than he has gotten credit for

Now we have Franky that is handedly whooping a New World Veteran and Mythical Zoan User

People are gunna freak

Zoro and Jinbe are not equals.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Zoro and Jinbe are not equals.

That seems like an opinion. And mine differs

 

[Crimson Ice]

That seems like an opinion. And mine differs

I mean Zoro has feats that outclasses Jimbei’s...But sure, let’s just say our opinions differ.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I mean Zoro has feats that outclasses Jimbei’s...But sure, let’s just say our opinions differ.

I don't think they do. I mean you can remove context and say that, but I'm not

 

[Crimson Ice]

I don't think they do. I mean you can remove context and say that, but I'm not

I never removed context nor context is really saving Jinbei in this comparison. But like you said, differing opinion.