Chapter Tower of God Chapter 531 Spoilers & Discussion

[EternalWinter]

Shin Translation

Edit @Lady pompom @Demonspeed pin please

 

[Cinera]

I hate to say this but most people here don't know how to read between the lines the connection on what Ha Jinsung said, Mascheny, 10 FH on Laevatian, The Laevatian and Bam. Guys start focusing on why Mascheny wanted Bam to go inside before making hypothetical theory because I hate to say it that your theories are kind of off.

She gave Baam a little pick me up before his fight with Traumerei:

Discussion - Maschenny Wants Baam to Fight Traumerei

At the beginning of the Nest, Maschenny wondered to herself what Baam was capable of: An alternate translation from Adios: I wonder what the Irregular can even do here. So one of her chief motivations when coming to the Nest was to see what Baam was truly capable of. She then goes on to...

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Blossom - Wrath

Yurin - Sloth

Blossom should be Sloth and Yurin should be Wrath.

Hana - Vanity

How did you figure this one out? Hana has been noted to rarely get angry, but when she does, her personality is said to be even more terrible than Yurin.

Traumerei - envy

The Tower of God Leviathan seems to be associated with hatred instead.

Interesting.

But I kind of hope at least some of the FH's have kept their noses clean. As in the 'good' FH's can join Baam against the corrupted ones.

For instance, you associate pride with Gustang but that could easily be any FH. Hopefully he's not corrupted.

No, I much prefer the evil vs evil theme of the Tower. I don't want to bring any moral crusade into it.

Especially when Baam has been setup to become the most terrible monster of them all.

 

[sazon]

Not sure if Baam will end up with a similar fate though. He could be the hero, the ultimate villain, or a demon-powered antihero. Or antivillain. He's already been repeatedly called or alluded to being a monster.

Yes, Gustang is super-prideful, but so is Zahard as you point out. And recently I'd say Rei is just as bad if not worse calling everyone and everything a trifle, like Gustang does with 'bugs'...

In short, ALL the FH's we've had any measurable amount of time with are like this, and I kind of expect the others to be as well.



You give Yurin the sloth association. Maybe. But I'd like to think her isolation is well-meaning. Idk.

Obviously everything is shades of grey.

Yes, but if you look at all the King's dialogue and his association with leviathan, it makes a lot more sense for him to be jealous, as if he envied WW and NN's relationship. But this is just my rambling.

Unfortunately Baam will end up as a messiah for the tower. I'm not a big fan of it, but that's what it looks like.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

Sounds like this chapter alone could spawn several (non-Mas) threads.

 

[sazon]

How did you figure this one out? Hana has been noted to rarely get angry, but when she does, her personality is said to be even more terrible than Yurin.

Totally speculative, I started from the idea that her not "corrupting" her body by remaining a virgin would be some kind of Narcissism, as if no one was fit enough to possess her body.

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

In before a succubus is associated with one of the female FH's. (or Ilarde)

[insert overtly-sexual image that I can't post because it's NSFW here]

 

[Jack Van Burace]

It’s tower of god bro . Your the type of character that would get stabbed in the back by Rachel since you seem so naive. Bam didn’t believe that arrogant beings words and figure he’d become an enemy later so he chose to subdue it I don’t see the problem with that.

It wasn't the words or his character, because in fact none of that would mean what you say. SIU gave Bam a sort of premonition ability, like I said earlier, that hinted how he should deal with the Steel eel on F1. That's what is telling him, against all odds, that Leviathan is dangerous. Basically, Bam can feel that Leviathan is lieing. What brings about another question: how did he not see Rachel's betrayal coming? Does his foresight only apply to Shinheuh?

 

[Cinera]

I didn’t see her expecting bam to subdue it as part of her plan at all. Based off her dialogue with Bam she underestimates and thinks lowly of him. If you take her mentioning she wanted to shake things up into account, I took that as her wanting the monster to get released into the tower once again and using bam as pawn to break the spell . Bam not being used as a pawn and taking matters into his own hands by subduing the monster for himself. That’s what I took from it idk how you interpreted the opposite lol

Maschenny doesn't underestimate Baam. She was just factual in her assessment that he was weaker than her.

She has very high expectations of Baam.

She said that she wants him to become a raging tide like the Tower has never seen before:

Spoiler

She called him a monster:

Spoiler

And in him, she sees the visage of Zahard:

Spoiler

I think Maschenny was trying to power up Baam for his fight with Traumerei:

Discussion - Maschenny Wants Baam to Fight Traumerei

At the beginning of the Nest, Maschenny wondered to herself what Baam was capable of: An alternate translation from Adios: I wonder what the Irregular can even do here. So one of her chief motivations when coming to the Nest was to see what Baam was truly capable of. She then goes on to...

mangahelpers.com

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

It wasn't the words or his character, because in fact none of that would mean what you say. SIU gave Bam a sort of premonition ability, like I said earlier, that hinted how he should deal with the Steel eel on F1. That's what is telling him, against all odds, that Leviathan is dangerous. Basically, Bam can feel that Leviathan is lieing. What brings about another question: how did he not see Rachel's betrayal coming? Does his foresight only apply to Shinheuh?

That's easy. For better or for worse Rachel is another irregular. The ability to see into the future seems to muddy in response to irregulars.

 

[Cinera]

My guys need to know that what leviathan said is not somethings related to the 7 deadly sins or something..
If you are christian and read the bible you know that SIU use few bible verses.. all leviathan said is the same thing stated in the bible to describe him..

Could you quote or cite some of those verses? I'd love to see the similarities and differences.

I thought about it, but both Eduan and the Blossom lore refer to her as being extremely temperamental.

I don't recall Eduan saying anything about Blossom other than that she was the best Wave Controller.

And Yurin doesn't care about anything, leaving everything to others.

Yuri is a mirror image of Yurin and Yuri said that she takes after Yurin's desire to smash things.

Yurin has also been said to have the most terrible personality of the Family Leaders.

Totally speculative, I started from the idea that her not "corrupting" her body by remaining a virgin would be some kind of Narcissism, as if no one was fit enough to possess her body.

The problem is that by lore, she did this because she was heartbroken. She made a contract with the Administrator to remove her ability to feel romantic/sexual affection (for the opposite sex?).

Current Hana is either lesbian or completely asexual and aromantic altogether.

Virginity for such reasons doesn't really fit any sort of narcissism.

Unfortunately Baam will end up as a messiah for the tower. I'm not a big fan of it, but that's what it looks like.

He's been setup as the monster that will devour it instead.

 

[JustJosh]

Not sure if Baam will end up with a similar fate though. He could be the hero, the ultimate villain, or a demon-powered antihero. Or antivillain. He's already been repeatedly called or alluded to being a monster.

Yes, Gustang is super-prideful, but so is Zahard as you point out. And recently I'd say Rei is just as bad if not worse calling everyone and everything a trifle, like Gustang does with 'bugs'...

In short, ALL the FH's we've had any measurable amount of time with are like this, and I kind of expect the others to be as well.



You give Yurin the sloth association. Maybe. But I'd like to think her isolation is well-meaning. Idk.

Obviously everything is shades of grey.

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Welcome.

She gave Baam a little pick me up before his fight with Traumerei:

Discussion - Maschenny Wants Baam to Fight Traumerei

At the beginning of the Nest, Maschenny wondered to herself what Baam was capable of: An alternate translation from Adios: I wonder what the Irregular can even do here. So one of her chief motivations when coming to the Nest was to see what Baam was truly capable of. She then goes on to...

mangahelpers.com

Blossom should be Sloth and Yurin should be Wrath.


How did you figure this one out? Hana has been noted to rarely get angry, but when she does, her personality is said to be even more terrible than Yurin.


The Tower of God Leviathan seems to be associated with hatred instead.




No, I much prefer the evil vs evil theme of the Tower. I don't want to bring any moral crusade into it.

Especially when Baam has been setup to become the most terrible monster of them all.

Also there really haven't been any Family heads Who are morally

She gave Baam a little pick me up before his fight with Traumerei:

Discussion - Maschenny Wants Baam to Fight Traumerei

At the beginning of the Nest, Maschenny wondered to herself what Baam was capable of: An alternate translation from Adios: I wonder what the Irregular can even do here. So one of her chief motivations when coming to the Nest was to see what Baam was truly capable of. She then goes on to...

mangahelpers.com

Blossom should be Sloth and Yurin should be Wrath.


How did you figure this one out? Hana has been noted to rarely get angry, but when she does, her personality is said to be even more terrible than Yurin.


The Tower of God Leviathan seems to be associated with hatred instead.




No, I much prefer the evil vs evil theme of the Tower. I don't want to bring any moral crusade into it.

Especially when Baam has been setup to become the most terrible monster of them all.

Agreed. Also there really haven't been any Family heads who kept there noses Clean

Yurin - Seems to only care for her daughter

She gave Baam a little pick me up before his fight with Traumerei:

Discussion - Maschenny Wants Baam to Fight Traumerei

At the beginning of the Nest, Maschenny wondered to herself what Baam was capable of: An alternate translation from Adios: I wonder what the Irregular can even do here. So one of her chief motivations when coming to the Nest was to see what Baam was truly capable of. She then goes on to...

mangahelpers.com

Blossom should be Sloth and Yurin should be Wrath.


How did you figure this one out? Hana has been noted to rarely get angry, but when she does, her personality is said to be even more terrible than Yurin.


The Tower of God Leviathan seems to be associated with hatred instead.




No, I much prefer the evil vs evil theme of the Tower. I don't want to bring any moral crusade into it.

Especially when Baam has been setup to become the most terrible monster of them all.

Tbh conpletely honesty What

Could you quote or cite some of those verses? I'd love to see the similarities and differences.




I don't recall Eduan saying anything about Blossom other than that she was the best Wave Controller.


Yuri is a mirror image of Yurin and Yuri said that she takes after Yurin's desire to smash things.

Yurin has also been said to have the most terrible personality of the Family Leaders.



The problem is that by lore, she did this because she was heartbroken. She made a contract with the Administrator to remove her ability to feel romantic/sexual affection (for the opposite sex?).

Current Hana is either lesbian or completely asexual and aromantic altogether.

Virginity for such reasons doesn't really fit any sort of narcissism.




He's been setup as the monster that will devour it instead.

I can help u with that. But it doesn't QUOTE it word for word but you will see the similarities.

In that day the Lord with his hard and great and strong sword will punish Leviathan the fleeing serpent, Leviathan the twisting serpent, and he will slay the dragon that is in the sea.

Isaiah 27:1 - In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.

Here is the sea, great and wide, which teems with creatures innumerable, living things both small and great. There go the ships, and Leviathan, which you formed to play in it.

 

[Turtle hunter]

Maschenny doesn't underestimate Baam. She was just factual in her assessment that he was weaker than her.

She has very high expectations of Baam.

She said that she wants him to become a raging tide like the Tower has never seen before:

Spoiler

She called him a monster:

Spoiler

And in him, she sees the visage of Zahard:

Spoiler

I think Maschenny was trying to power up Baam for his fight with Traumerei:

Discussion - Maschenny Wants Baam to Fight Traumerei

At the beginning of the Nest, Maschenny wondered to herself what Baam was capable of: An alternate translation from Adios: I wonder what the Irregular can even do here. So one of her chief motivations when coming to the Nest was to see what Baam was truly capable of. She then goes on to...

mangahelpers.com

Don't act as if yo didn't say that Baam wasn't even worthy of being her " pawn " .

 

[Ignorant]

You going to see it little different but that was the english TL i found.. but SIU use the bible for sure...

 

[Cinera]

In before a succubus is associated with one of the female FH's. (or Ilarde)

[insert overtly-sexual image that I can't post because it's NSFW here]

PM me.

It wasn't the words or his character, because in fact none of that would mean what you say. SIU gave Bam a sort of premonition ability, like I said earlier, that hinted how he should deal with the Steel eel on F1. That's what is telling him, against all odds, that Leviathan is dangerous. Basically, Bam can feel that Leviathan is lieing. What brings about another question: how did he not see Rachel's betrayal coming? Does his foresight only apply to Shinheuh?

It's not that he can feel that Leviathan is lying. It very well may have been completely honest.

He can just feel how incredibly dangerous it is.

This is the whole bio but the verses siu use are the bottom lines
This is God speaking to Job..about leviathan

““Can you pull in Leviathan with a fishhook or tie down its tongue with a rope? Can you put a cord through its nose or pierce its jaw with a hook? Will it keep begging you for mercy? Will it speak to you with gentle words? Will it make an agreement with you for you to take it as your slave for life? Can you make a pet of it like a bird or put it on a leash for the young women in your house? Will traders barter for it? Will they divide it up among the merchants? Can you fill its hide with harpoons or its head with fishing spears? If you lay a hand on it, you will remember the struggle and never do it again! Any hope of subduing it is false; the mere sight of it is overpowering. No one is fierce enough to rouse it. Who then is able to stand against me? Who has a claim against me that I must pay? Everything under heaven belongs to me. “I will not fail to speak of Leviathan’s limbs, its strength and its graceful form. Who can strip off its outer coat? Who can penetrate its double coat of armor? Who dares open the doors of its mouth, ringed about with fearsome teeth? Its back has rows of shields tightly sealed together; each is so close to the next that no air can pass between. They are joined fast to one another; they cling together and cannot be parted. Its snorting throws out flashes of light; its eyes are like the rays of dawn. Flames stream from its mouth; sparks of fire shoot out. Smoke pours from its nostrils as from a boiling pot over burning reeds. Its breath sets coals ablaze, and flames dart from its mouth. Strength resides in its neck; dismay goes before it. The folds of its flesh are tightly joined; they are firm and immovable. Its chest is hard as rock, hard as a lower millstone. When it rises up, the mighty are terrified; they retreat before its thrashing. The sword that reaches it has no effect, nor does the spear or the dart or the javelin. Iron it treats like straw and bronze like rotten wood. Arrows do not make it flee; slingstones are like chaff to it. A club seems to it but a piece of straw; it laughs at the rattling of the lance. Its undersides are jagged potsherds, leaving a trail in the mud like a threshing sledge. It makes the depths churn like a boiling caldron and stirs up the sea like a pot of ointment. It leaves a glistening wake behind it; one would think the deep had white hair. Nothing on earth is its equal— a creature without fear. It looks down on all that are haughty; it is king over all that are proud.””
‭‭Job‬ ‭41:1-34‬ ‭NIV‬‬

SIU is incredibly based.

Don't act as if yo didn't say that Baam wasn't even worthy of being her " pawn " .

I said that Baam was only worthy of being her pawn.

Maschenny can be fully cognisant Baam's potential while acknowledging that he's currently much weaker than her.

 

[Narayami]

@Demonspeed @Lady pompom please pin

"

1. Baam: I am not going to borrow any power from you, // I'm going to take that power from you. // I'm going to make you succumb to me. And then take you out of here. // Therefore, you don't have to lend me your power, // Just give me that dangerous power of yours!!

"
holyyy shiiit. out baby is growing up

 

[Ignorant]

So baam is getting an body armor here...

 

[Turtle hunter]

PM me.



It's not that he can feel that Leviathan is lying. It very well may have been completely honest.

He can just feel how incredibly dangerous it is.



SIU is incredibly based.



I said that Baam was only worthy of being her pawn.

Maschenny can be fully cognisant Baam's potential while acknowledging that he's currently much weaker than her.

No you didn't , in fact you said even with White Baam wasn't even worthy .

 

[Narayami]

What baam wants to do is to control the beast.
Since the beast said he would LEND power, basically he means he would be like baam's boss meaning he would be above baam.
baam realizes he is dangerous, so he is going to put the beast at his place(beneath him) and actually be his boss. He wants the beast to give him the power not to lend it.
pretty cool

 

[Jubei_Kibagami]

PM me.

lol, don't get too excited. It's only what I can google images of 'succubus' with safe search off. I don't have anything of my own.

 

[Calm Core]

"

1. Baam: I am not going to borrow any power from you, // I'm going to take that power from you. // I'm going to make you succumb to me. And then take you out of here. // Therefore, you don't have to lend me your power, // Just give me that dangerous power of yours!!

"
holyyy shiiit. out baby is growing up

Great development of Baam indeed

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What baam wants to do is to control the beast.
Since the beast said he would LEND power, basically he means he would be like baam's boss meaning he would be above baam.
baam realizes he is dangerous, so he is going to put the beast at his place(beneath him) and actually be his boss. He wants the beast to give him the power not to lend it.
pretty cool

Leviathan is going to be Baam's Lecalicus

Edit: In the wiki it is stated that the three fases of Zahard weapon are: 1- Lecalicus; 2- Coelacanth; 3- Leviathan

 

[salo14419]

No you didn't , in fact you said even with White Baam wasn't even worthy .

Don't even try. He's going to change the narrative again. That's why the best course of action is to ignore him.

I remember crystal clear the amount of pages wasted trying to make him realize that Maschenny wasn't calling Baam weak during that conversation.