One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[XXGenesis]

Ok, you agree it's extreme diff at least.

So we can at least say Law + Kid ~ 1 Yonko

That should put too rest the whole. 2 admirals or even 3 admirals = 1 Yonko. That's all I'm saying

You have to debate that with those individuals. My opinion isn’t gospel. Some may think differently.

My list/ranking of Top Tier characters.

Yonkou/Admiral lv Characters
Shanks
Kaido
Akainu
Akoji
Black Beard
Mihawk
Big Mom
Kizaru
Fujitora
GreenBull
Luffy
Garp*
Sengoku*
Rayleigh

YC1+ Characters
Kidd
Law
Sabo
Ben Beckman
Marco
Zoro
Yamato

YC1 Characters
Katakuri
King
Vista
Sanji

 

[LadyVados]

A lot of people are forgetting Asura exists.

Base Zoro is YC1+, Asura Zoro may well be Admiral Level or Higher since it is a big power-up

 

[Fox666]

A lot of people are forgetting Asura exists.

Base Zoro is YC1+, Asura Zoro may well be Admiral Level or Higher since it is a big power-up

Isn't Asura just a special technique?

That's like saying Gomu Gomu no Bazooka exists

 

[Nie Li]

Isn't Asura just a special technique?

That's like saying Gomu Gomu no Bazooka exists

He has only used it for single attacks so I agree with your point of not exactly counting as a separate mode for these discussions but it is technically a mode, since he has multiple different Kyutoryu techniques.

 

[Pirate Queen]

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He has only used it for single attacks so I agree with your point of not exactly counting as a separate mode for these discussions but it is technically a mode, since he has multiple different Kyutoryu techniques.

Some people are saying King of Hell is a new mode. What are your thoughts on that?

 

[catagon87]

What about an Asura-mode with Hana Arashi?

 

[Nie Li]

What about an Asura-mode with Hana Arashi?

Then we'd have Zoro with the power of three gods.

 

[Fox666]

He has only used it for single attacks so I agree with your point of not exactly counting as a separate mode for these discussions but it is technically a mode, since he has multiple different Kyutoryu techniques.

But the same is true for Diable Jamble or Demonio Fleur... "sub-techniques" are very common in One Piece

 

[Nie Li]

But the same is true for Diable Jamble or Demonio Fleur... "sub-techniques" are very common in One Piece

Diable Jambe is a mode indeed. One that boosts his leg strength on top of burning.

 

[HereNThere]

Personally, I think Asura and it's variants are similar to the Santoryu Ogi series of techniques Zoro has and uses as his finishers. Despite it having it's own designation, he's never fought in it for an extended period of time to really call it a mode.

Now, King of Hell? Definitely a mode. It boosts his OG techniques to another level, as modes usually do, and he can fight in it for an extended period. Asura should also fall under that umbrella as, we can assume, most of Zoro's previous Asura's weren't utilizing CoC. The one against Kaido is the one we know for sure was "King of Hell" boosted as he put everything into the attack like he was going to die. This goes into Zoro's later realization that, in order to master Enma, he had to keep putting everything he had into the swords, even if he were to die. Thus, "King of Hell".

 

[Pirate Queen]

Personally, I think Asura and it's variants are similar to the Santoryu Ogi series of techniques Zoro has and uses as his finishers. Despite it having it's own designation, he's never fought in it for an extended period of time to really call it a mode.

Now, King of Hell? Definitely a mode. It boosts his OG techniques to another level, as modes usually do, and he can fight in it for an extended period. Asura should also fall under that umbrella as, we can assume, most of Zoro's previous Asura's weren't utilizing CoC. The one against Kaido is the one we know for sure was "King of Hell" boosted as he put everything into the attack like he was going to die. This goes into Zoro's later realization that, in order to master Enma, he had to keep putting everything he had into the swords, even if he were to die. Thus, "King of Hell".

I'm of the same opinion now. Don't see Ashura as a mode at this point. Just a finisher

 

[catagon87]

Diable Jambe is a mode indeed. One that boosts his leg strength on top of burning.

But what does this mean for Red Roc?!

 

[Nie Li]

But what does this mean for Red Roc?!

Well, we haven't seen Luffy hold fire on his fire before of after the punch. Just as he throws it, so I'd say it's different.

 

[Fox666]

Diable Jambe is a mode indeed. One that boosts his leg strength on top of burning.

I think that's not different from Luffy stretching his arm before throwing a Pistol.

The only way to differentiate what is a technique or a mode/form is the narrative... and to me the narrative dictates that Azura or Diable Jamble are just finisher moves.

 

[HereNThere]

I think the more appropriate comparison to Asura would be Hell's Memories rather than Diable Jambe. It's something that looks like it could and should be a mode but is only treated as a finisher.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Who else would Buggy need in his Cross Guild to beat the Strawhats in a straight up brawl?

Who would you like to see increase Buggy's offensive power?

 

[albertwv]

Who else would Buggy need in his Cross Guild to beat the Strawhats in a straight up brawl?

Who would you like to see increase Buggy's offensive power?

People will say Weevil, because they want him to be so badly relevant to the story and he is so mysterious. IMO, I could care less about Weevil he looks like a joke and Kizaru may have compared him to a younger WB, but we don't know what Age he was referring to. I highly doubt Kizaru was talking about Prime WB during Roger or Rocks era. Also I'm not impressed that Weevil was able to take down WB Pirate affiliates, they may be New World veterans but not worthy. Unless, Weevil took down Jozu or Vista then will I take him seriously.

ALSO,
are we going to start giving "modes" to Zolo, Sanji, etc now in order to claim they are stronger than they actually are? WE are now claiming moves that are used as finishers are now "modes" like Luffy's Gears? Lol. No. Zolo has used Asura twice, both times as a finisher/all out attack. This ain't DBZ. I'm super glad that Oda didn't take in Toriyama's horrible power up transformations. Imagine seeing Kaido in 5 different transformations each one stronger than the previous one, and finally the last one only using 50% and going up to 100%.

 

[john ellis]

Who else would Buggy need in his Cross Guild to beat the Strawhats in a straight up brawl?

Who would you like to see increase Buggy's offensive power?

honestly you could give buggy alot and still lose to SHP, probably another yonko to outright win. But idk thats even debatable. Zoro could take mihawk and luffy take the other yonko. Now i do think current zoro loses to mihawk but zoro would get a power of plot boost from fighting mihawk and probably win.

 

[Nie Li]

People will say Weevil, because they want him to be so badly relevant to the story and he is so mysterious. IMO, I could care less about Weevil he looks like a joke and Kizaru may have compared him to a younger WB, but we don't know what Age he was referring to. I highly doubt Kizaru was talking about Prime WB during Roger or Rocks era. Also I'm not impressed that Weevil was able to take down WB Pirate affiliates, they may be New World veterans but not worthy. Unless, Weevil took down Jozu or Vista then will I take him seriously.

ALSO,
are we going to start giving "modes" to Zolo, Sanji, etc now in order to claim they are stronger than they actually are? WE are now claiming moves that are used as finishers are now "modes" like Luffy's Gears? Lol. No. Zolo has used Asura twice, both times as a finisher/all out attack. This ain't DBZ. I'm super glad that Oda didn't take in Toriyama's horrible power up transformations. Imagine seeing Kaido in 5 different transformations each one stronger than the previous one, and finally the last one only using 50% and going up to 100%.

Well, I don't know what the intent of who brought it up was, but I'm only saying that they're modes just as much as Gear 2nd was always a mode (though Luffy can now just throw G2 attacks on the fly), not that Zoro and Sanji should be considered stronger than they are just because they have those.

Also, thrice*, Zoro asuraed a Pacifista.

 

[albertwv]

Well, I don't know what the intent of who brought it up was, but I'm only saying that they're modes just as much as Gear 2nd was always a mode (though Luffy can now just throw G2 attacks on the fly), not that Zoro and Sanji should be considered stronger than they are just because they have those.

Also, thrice*, Zoro asuraed a Pacifista.

The intent was for Lady vados to boost Zolo to Admiral level.

IMO, I always placed Luffy > Zolo > Sanji and then Luffy learned Gear 2/3 and then Gear 4 and now Gear 5.
When Luffy (until Skypiea) was only base no Gears or so, I put him and Zolo at a close level.
Then during Water 7/Enies Lobby the Monster Trio got powered up boosted. Luffy got Gear 2/3 ( I don't see much a difference between those gears) and Zolo/Sanji just got their Base power stronger with an additional finishing attack (Ashura and Diable Jambe).
Since then I have placed Gear 2/3 Luffy > Zolo > Sanji > Base Luffy = Franky (roughly).
Then Gear 4 happened but it stayed quite the same.
Gear 4 Luffy >> Gear 2/3 Luffy > Zolo > Sanji > Base Luffy = Base Franky (roughly).
Also something to point out is that one ">" doesn't mean they a whole class above but high diff battle. Two ">>" means the difference is much much higher and would most likely win low diff. So what I am saying is that G2 Luffy, Zolo, and Sanji are nearly the same level, only Gear 4 was a different class.

Now with Gear 5, it's kinda hard to say how much of a power up it is. Yes I know Luffy managed to defeat Kaido with Gear 5 somehow? But His attacks were not that effective unlike Gear 4 ACoC, but that's not the point right now. Now after Onigashima Idk how the power levels between the Monster Trio are. I think Gear 2 Luffy with ACoC could high diff a YC2, idk a YC1 yet... Since I don't think Luffy even in Gear 5 is at the same strength Kaido was in taking down YC1s in one hit.