This the quality of this forum sadly.
@Axiomus and
@grey matter are one of the respected members of this forum. but they actually believe Suzaku has a sh!t chance against erza. Seriously
People in this forum were told, again and again. that these hypes, and feats will amount to nothing. but they refused. these knights were special they say.
and here we are
Apparently, Suzaku casual no name strike is stronger than anything Misaki and Kirin can do lol. Kirin who is contender for the strongest, and miskai who has only gone serious against kirin and no one else.
i guess you really cant change people. they will believe this till next time and then they will say mishma doesnt care about power ranking. (same as before when they said laxus and erza were separate by tiers and then watched as laxus gained so much power to only reach draw of sort against erza)
In fairy tail verse, Erza will mid diff Suzaku.
A lot to unpack here lol. Let's go over these.
"feats and hype don't matter in fairy tail, Mashima doesn't care, there is zero consistency, powerscaling = dead"
99% of the time, yes this is true.
I'm fairly certain that you've read enough of my posts to know I also heavily lean this direction.
If there is anything that is somewhat reliable in FT, it is
relative portrayal.
It is for this reason that Gildarts, a middle aged man who should've peaked in BoS, still remains the strongest FT mage bar peak Natsu.
It is for this reason that I for instance, even as a Laxus fan try arguing against Laxus fans that the gap between Laxus and Erza has not decreased because Laxus got a powerup in his Kirin fight. Mashima doesn't care.
Portrayal >> feats, logic, powerups.
If Laxus fights Jellal, it will probably be a tie. If Laxus fights Erza, it will probably still be an extreme diff for Laxus. All the powerups and modes Laxus got become irrelevant to relative portrayal.
But at the same time, it is high time that all fanbases come to the realization that a serious Natsu is several tiers above any of his allies. At this point anyone not getting this is agenda fueled, there is really no other explanation. Natsu's portrayal >>>, feats >>>
Natsu has reached a point where he can solo the entire guild once he goes DF.
Point of this is to establish that
just because Natsu can do something, doesn't mean others can.
I see this reasoning all the time from varying fanbases - "Natsu did this, so X can as well." WRONG.
DF Natsu completely vap'd the body of FH Zeref, and he had to use time magic to reverse and reform his body.
Gildarts' strongest attack (after bypassing magic immunity) on the other hand got tanked by August with relatively minor injuries.
DF Natsu vap'd nerfed Aldo seed, and vap'd the torso of dragon Aldo.
Coming to Suzaku.
If Mashima doesn't care for feats, why did Mashima
SPECIFICALLY HIGHLIGHT Suzaku's prior feats in the Natsu vs Suzaku round 2? Afterall, Mashima could've simply pretended like they never happened, and made Natsu react to his attacks and tank his attacks. But what happened in reality was Mashima uncharacteristically and carefully wrote Natsu vs Suzaku R2 without retconning his previous feats:
- Natsu still can't react to his speed, have to resort to prediction through footwork
- Natsu, by his own admission, is STILL one shot material to Suzaku. If not for his FDK scales (i.e his DF durability)
I ask you........why did Mashima specifically highlight these?
Yes, Mashima doesn't care for feats 99% of the times. Hence why Skullion and Madmole went from: defeating Gray and no selling FDK demo fist -> stalemating Mira and Elfman -> getting no diff'd by Laxus
But here, we have reasons to believe Mashima does care. Because Mashima explicitly pointed to Suzaku's prior feats in Natsu vs Suzaku round 2. Natsu said he grew stronger; specifically, Natsu developed a powerup to deal with Suzaku's attack power
There is a reason Natsu got Suzaku.
It is because there are characters only Natsu can handle. Once every fandom comes to accept the reality that Natsu >> your fav, things will make more acceptable. I realized this during Alverez itself.
"BDSK are same level, Suzaku is no different from the others"
I've addressed this already
Kirin was stated to be a contender for the strongest cause that's the only way for Mashima to build hype for Laxus' opponent cause he doesn't have any prior showings apart from Laxus.
Suzaku doesn't have that issue, cause the hype for BDSK solely comes from Suzaku. He was always the special one - The one with best feats, the one Mashima focus on the most, one with most plot relevance, one who got to fight against two DGs, one Mashima chose to pair with Natsu.......people ignoring this usually have agendas.
Suzaku fighting DGs is simply portrayal that he is the special one. There is a reason Mashima builds plots around him and not anyone else (except maybe Kirin to a small extend). There is a reason Mashima pairs up Suzaku with Natsu.
Suzaku is the only BDSK that Mashima truly cares about and builds up. This should be obvious to anyone who read the last 2 arcs.
This is where I would again tell you to ignore hype and look at the narratives. Because what we have here is basically God Serena 2.0 scenario.
In Alverez. God Serena gets compared to Gildarts; no diff'd 3GOI + Jura in his base, then in his DS mode.
The average Spriggans on the other hand gets clowned like flies by characters a tier or more below Gildarts. You've got Neinhart, supposedly God Serena level in MP, shitting his pants at Jellal (someone weaker than Gildarts) flexing his MP
Suzaku fights two DGs, never went down to damage. His power convinced Selene to take over Diabolos. He gets paired up with Natsu. HUGE plot relevance. The dude is built different.
There is a reason the average Spriggan got compared to GS, and the BDSK got compared to Suzaku.
Because that is the narrative tool to build hype.
I will once again reiterate my previous point.
Just because Natsu can do something, doesn't mean others can.
"Suzaku gets mid diff'd by Erza"
She extreme diff'd Misaki, someone who is weaker than Kirin..........
"lol at you guys believing Suzaku hits leagues harder than Kirin and Misaki"
Why stop at Kirin and Misaki? Why not include Haku as well lol? Afterall, Haku is a BDSK too.
Cause most of us can use a brain and conclude that attacks that can be tanked/blocked by Wendy of all people, won't even tickle Laxus or Erza,
Now use that reasoning a bit further and take it to it's logical conclusion.
Mashima, through Natsu's word, STILL MAINTAINS that Natsu without his scales would be one shot by Suzaku. Hmm........I wonder why Mashima especially mentioned this. I wonder why Mashima especially had Natsu develop a powerup to deal with Suzaku's attack power.
Say it with me one more time
Just because Natsu can do something, doesn't mean others can.
