Canon Suzaku vs Erza Scarlet

[MyaHeart35]

No Erza is the main character obviously and she's the one. Ignia wants to test himself he should fight queen nakama power he'll surely have a good time and she'll light up the world in flames

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Lol no need to prove ignia>selene. Igneel was able to dodge acnologia's roar he did a 360 and he was thinking about natsu and acnologia is stronger than igneel. Also selene tried to sneak attack ignia but he reacted accordingly

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Oh mashima how can you create this character that's so strong that she has to hold back all the time, she doesn't even use her full power against enemies, she's just unbeatable. How can this be fair against everyone in the verse, they're so below her that we have to just nerf her so others can compete

All that means Selene has lower durability than Ingia, and acnologia. She has enough power to match them. That’s why the fight was equal before the sneak attack. In fact Selene had the upper hand majority of the fight.

 

[Axiomus]

so why isnt poor selene stronger than rock?

that is perfectly fine. But again i ask you, who do you think is near kirin, based on mishma statements?

no, he sneaked attacked her. before the sneak attack, how was that fight? is selene that weak? if she is that weak, can misaki and kirin also beat her, in her human form.

again misleading. natsu already had an additional power up in lfd. once gajeel got sid, they were around each other again. but why ae we making this complicated. simple does gmg gray beat gmg base gajeel?

tenrou arc and gmg arc showed no change power hierarchy between these three. or anywhere else for that matter

Dogramag's rock is unbreakable, and tougher than FDK scales. Only guy with a human form that can break 'em is Ignia.

There was no sneak attack. They were facing each other. Ignia gave a speech that ended in him giving away his intent to attack. There were moments in Igneel and Acno's fight where Igneel had his entire body facing another direction, caught sight of a roar from the corner of the eye, and twisted his body outta the way. Also, Selene literally tried to sneak up against Ignia earlier.

ISD is only a match for LFD. Again, Rogue said Natsu was stronger. Strongest version of Natsu with second origin is DF Natsu. Without an additional power up, 3 month of training Gajeel woulda be stuck at base. Second origin allowed Natsu to go from being exhausted after a single LFD roar to using multiple LFD moves and triggering DF.

 

[Darklord#10]

All that means Selene has lower durability than Ingia, and acnologia. She has enough power to match them. That’s why the fight was equal before the sneak attack. In fact Selene had the upper hand majority of the fight.

Didn't selene try to sneak attack ignia

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All that means Selene has lower durability than Ingia, and acnologia. She has enough power to match them. That’s why the fight was equal before the sneak attack. In fact Selene had the upper hand majority of the fight.

Lol ignia was literally laughing throughout the whole fight he was basically trolling selene. I don't really understand you. You wank nakama queen, you think Eileen is on dragon god level and now you're wanking selene you also put Lucy Gottfried on red lightning level. It's like the only thing you watch fT for is to see boobs.

 

[MyaHeart35]

Didn't selene try to sneak attack ignia

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Lol ignia was literally laughing throughout the whole fight he was basically trolling selene. I don't really understand you. You wank nakama queen, you think Eileen is on dragon god level and now you're wanking selene you also put Lucy Gottfried on red lightning level. It's like the only thing you watch fT for is to see boobs.

Actually I don’t genius. I said Irene had magic power close to their level. Irene was literally the strongest person outside of the dragon gods. Even Hiro Mashima stated Irene is still one of the strongest characters in the 100 year quest. No most of y’all say Ingia wrecked Selene even though that’s literally the opposite of what happen. Selene was looking at natsu when Ingia roared at her. When Selene was on guard she easily countered and pushed back Ingia’s roar. The same attack he “wrecked” her with. I said Lucy Gottfried spell( the spell itself) since it’s way above base laxus. Because he finished kiria off with attack that she only down for 2 chapters. While Lucy’s attack outright one shotted her, vaporized laxus’s coat and was down 13+ chapters. Also it’s clear Erza was stronger in the 100 year before laxus new power up. Now they could be equal. Actually I love fairy tail, I just hate when extremely strong woman get down played when they lose a fight, without considering the external factors.

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Actually I don’t genius. I said Irene had magic power close to their level. Irene was literally the strongest person outside of the dragon gods. Even Hiro Mashima stated Irene is still one of the strongest characters in the 100 year quest. No most of y’all say Ingia wrecked Selene even though that’s literally the opposite of what happen. Selene was looking at natsu when Ingia roared at her. When Selene was on guard she easily countered and pushed back Ingia’s roar. The same attack he “wrecked” her with. I said Lucy Gottfried spell( the spell itself) since it’s way above base laxus. Because he finished kiria off with attack that she only down for 2 chapters. While Lucy’s attack outright one shotted her, vaporized laxus’s coat and was down 13+ chapters. Also it’s clear Erza was stronger in the 100 year before laxus new power up. Now they could be equal. Actually I love fairy tail, I just hate when extremely strong woman get down played when they lose a fight, without considering the external factors.

Also all Selene tried to do was scratch Ingia.
Ingia was laughing but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t serious he was just arrogant. Stated in the manga itself. The only thing Ingia did before the sneak was made Selene burn. She tanked his fire rain. Pushed him back slammed him on the ground made him scream and cough of blood. Even attacked him so hard he lost his pupils and was smoking.

 

[Darklord#10]

Actually I don’t genius. I said Irene had magic power close to their level. Irene was literally the strongest person outside of the dragon gods. Even Hiro Mashima stated Irene is still one of the strongest characters in the 100 year quest. No most of y’all say Ingia wrecked Selene even though that’s literally the opposite of what happen. Selene was looking at natsu when Ingia roared at her. When Selene was on guard she easily countered and pushed back Ingia’s roar. The same attack he “wrecked” her with. I said Lucy Gottfried spell( the spell itself) since it’s way above base laxus. Because he finished kiria off with attack that she only down for 2 chapters. While Lucy’s attack outright one shotted her, vaporized laxus’s coat and was down 13+ chapters. Also it’s clear Erza was stronger in the 100 year before laxus new power up. Now they could be equal. Actually I love fairy tail, I just hate when extremely strong woman get down played when they lose a fight, without considering the external factors.

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Also all Selene tried to do was scratch Ingia.
Ingia was laughing but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t serious he was just arrogant. Stated in the manga itself. The only thing Ingia did before the sneak was made Selene burn. She tanked his fire rain. Pushed him back slammed him on the ground made him scream and cough of blood. Even attacked him so hard he lost his pupils and was smoking.

Yeah you only watch fT for boobs

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Stated in the manga itse

Where?

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. I said Irene had magic power close to their level

Show me Eileen using her flex to make the moon bigger.

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Lol you're acting as if igneel didn't fight acnologia. And show me where it was a scratch, I will need you to start backing this claims with scans from the manga. Cuz all what you've been saying is atrocious. Acting like selene wasn't arrogant herself. It's people like this that just spew bs all the time, ignia was literally trolling selene the entire fight, not his fault she couldn't react.

 

[sharkai]

For me even though I consider Selene's MP comparable to Acnologia, the way she lost every time makes me think she will lose to him. If you want she can give him a high diff fight but she will lose. Sorry but the way Hiro treated his character makes me doubt about her fight level. It's no excuse to say that Ignia took it on if Selene is so strong she has to tank or dodge that Roar. Igneel and Acnologia would have NEVER been pierced by this Roar even if they weren't careful. Do you really think if Selene would have taken Ignia by surprise with a Roar he would have been One Shotted?

if selene is that weaker than god dragons, than where do we place her? is beating laxus better or beating selene?
remember, suzaku has better feat only beause of selene standing. if you take that away. he only has is hype phase (like marin from alverzec or racer from OS) and nothing more

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Dogramag's rock is unbreakable, and tougher than FDK scales. Only guy with a human form that can break 'em is Ignia.

irrelevant. if dogramag durability is far above his level than why isnt it same for gajeel. i doubt you even think tenrou gajeel durability is laxus level

There was no sneak attack. They were facing each other. Ignia gave a speech that ended in him giving away his intent to attack. There were moments in Igneel and Acno's fight where Igneel had his entire body facing another direction, caught sight of a roar from the corner of the eye, and twisted his body outta the way. Also, Selene literally tried to sneak up against Ignia earlier.

wrong. Selene went physical. ignia physical stats are apparently below selene lol. they exchanged and damaged each other back an forth, nowhere did anyone look stronger. than natsu stopped them and started talking about sh!t. for some reasons, the fighters also talked and then ignia roar hit her. in no universe this exchange look like ignia is stronger (and saying "like this!" while attacking is not giving intent of an attack, he literally giving a emotional speech, dramas and movies have murders like this). in fact, show your non fairy tail reading friend chapter 106 and 107. and ask them about it. you will get an unbaised answer.
that Selene is physically stronger (looks to me like selene preferred getting physical while ignia only attacked with fire)

ISD is only a match for LFD. Again, Rogue said Natsu was stronger. Strongest version of Natsu with second origin is DF Natsu. Without an additional power up, 3 month of training Gajeel woulda be stuck at base. Second origin allowed Natsu to go from being exhausted after a single LFD roar to using multiple LFD moves and triggering DF.

and i am assuming you have evidence that in tenrou gajeel was stronger or equal to natsu and rouge was nit just trash talking.
is gmg lucy = gmg gajeel
after all lucy did get SO and poor gajeel only got three months training.

i like how you create things that arent there and pretend they are facts. and build stuffs on top of those things lol

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No Erza is the main character obviously and she's the one. Ignia wants to test himself he should fight queen nakama power he'll surely have a good time and she'll light up the world in flames

o sorry, i thought you were talking about laxus. i was little confuse since laxus has been nakama ing his way to victory since gmg arc, but then i remebered it was gajeel who has been eating his enemies since tenrou arc.

 

[MyaHeart35]

Yeah you only watch fT for boobs

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Where?

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Show me Eileen using her flex to make the moon bigger.

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Lol you're acting as if igneel didn't fight acnologia. And show me where it was a scratch, I will need you to start backing this claims with scans from the manga. Cuz all what you've been saying is atrocious. Acting like selene wasn't arrogant herself. It's people like this that just spew bs all the time, ignia was literally trolling selene the entire fight, not his fault she couldn't react.

Yeah you only watch fT for boobs

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Where?

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Show me Eileen using her flex to make the moon bigger.

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Lol you're acting as if igneel didn't fight acnologia. And show me where it was a scratch, I will need you to start backing this claims with scans from the manga. Cuz all what you've been saying is atrocious. Acting like selene wasn't arrogant herself. It's people like this that just spew bs all the time, ignia was literally trolling selene the entire fight, not his fault she couldn't react.

For someone who says I only watch fairy tail for boobs even though I don’t like fan service you sure have been on Ingia’s d*ck lately.

Anyways Irene however did affect a different dimension when she used her universe one spell. And her power was stated to exceed everything of the terrestrial and immune to death. Also no one in the entire series was able to make the moon bigger besides Selene.
However the same attack that took Selene out, she easily reacted to it before when the fight started so it was an off guard attack.

 

[Garmadooon]

Read me once and for all Selene and Erza simps: If you want to consider Suzaku as fodder for Irene Gildarts Laxus Kirin Erza Misaki levels you have to accept that Human Selene is fucking weak and she is fodder for EVERY versions of Acnologia. Acnologia would NEVER NEVER lose to a human it's a big lack of respect for Acnologia to compare him to her when Selene is written as trash. But if you insist so much that your super moon queen is vastly better than Igneel and Ignia then you have to accept that Suzaku is very strong to give her a match.

 

[MyaHeart35]

Read me once and for all Selene and Erza simps: If you want to consider Suzaku as fodder for Irene Gildarts Laxus Kirin Erza Misaki levels you have to accept that Human Selene is fucking weak and she is fodder for EVERY versions of Acnologia. Acnologia would NEVER NEVER lose to a human it's a big lack of respect for Acnologia to compare him to her when Selene is written as trash. But if you insist so much that your super moon queen is vastly better than Igneel and Ignia then you have to accept that Suzaku is very strong to give her a match.

Yes Suzaku is very strong however Kirin Miskai Erza laxus are stronger.

 

[Axiomus]

irrelevant. if dogramag durability is far above his level than why isnt it same for gajeel. i doubt you even think tenrou gajeel durability is laxus level

Dogrmag's rocks isnt above his level. It's the best defense at his level. Dogramag has the best defense of all the god dragons.

It is the same for Gajeel. Gajeel is below Natsu, but his iron gives him tougher skin than Natsu. Gildarts and Laxus are way above them.

wrong. Selene went physical. ignia physical stats are apparently below selene lol. they exchanged and damaged each other back an forth, nowhere did anyone look stronger. than natsu stopped them and started talking about sh!t. for some reasons, the fighters also talked and then ignia roar hit her. in no universe this exchange look like ignia is stronger (and saying "like this!" while attacking is not giving intent of an attack, he literally giving a emotional speech, dramas and movies have murders like this). in fact, show your non fairy tail reading friend chapter 106 and 107. and ask them about it. you will get an unbaised answer.
that Selene is physically stronger (looks to me like selene preferred getting physical while ignia only attacked with fire)

Selene isnt physically stronger. Ignia never even hit Selene with a physical attack. Selene was scared of fighting the other god dragons, and thought they would seriously injure each other. Ignia said "Wanna bet?" and proceeded to facetank all of Selene's attacks with a smile on his face.

He wasnt just tanking Selene's physical attacks. He also tanked all the magical attacks she was using. When Ignia's flames started to burn Selene, she chose to teleport into water to wash it off instead of trying to tank it. The roar wrecked her. Tell me, what happens if Ignia puts the same amount of fire into a punch as the roar?

Y'all have got to stop claiming that everything is a sneak attack. How does a roar given after a big speech while the opponent is facing you count as sneak attacks, but literally teleporting behind someone doesn't? How is Ignia ending his speech with "Like this!" and attacking a sneak attack, but Selene hitting Ignia with moonlight palm while Ignia is trying to talk not?

and i am assuming you have evidence that in tenrou gajeel was stronger or equal to natsu and rouge was nit just trash talking.
is gmg lucy = gmg gajeel
after all lucy did get SO and poor gajeel only got three months training.

i like how you create things that arent there and pretend they are facts. and build stuffs on top of those things lol

Gajeel wasnt equal or stronger in Tenrou island. He wasnt equal or stronger in GMG or Tartaros either. Natsu has been ahead of Gajeel since Phantom Lord. Gap widened with LFD and second origin, and Gajeel caught up to LFD with ISD. DF Natsu is still stronger.

Rogue had no reason to trash talk. He wasnt even trying to make Gajeel mad. He literally said that Gajeel wasnt as strong as Natsu after getting beaten up.

 

[MyaHeart35]

Dogrmag's rocks isnt above his level. It's the best defense at his level. Dogramag has the best defense of all the god dragons.

It is the same for Gajeel. Gajeel is below Natsu, but his iron gives him tougher skin than Natsu. Gildarts and Laxus are way above them.



Selene isnt physically stronger. Ignia never even hit Selene with a physical attack. Selene was scared of fighting the other god dragons, and thought they would seriously injure each other. Ignia said "Wanna bet?" and proceeded to facetank all of Selene's attacks with a smile on his face.

He wasnt just tanking Selene's physical attacks. He also tanked all the magical attacks she was using. When Ignia's flames started to burn Selene, she chose to teleport into water to wash it off instead of trying to tank it. The roar wrecked her. Tell me, what happens if Ignia puts the same amount of fire into a punch as the roar?

Y'all have got to stop claiming that everything is a sneak attack. How does a roar given after a big speech while the opponent is facing you count as sneak attacks, but literally teleporting behind someone doesn't? How is Ignia ending his speech with "Like this!" and attacking a sneak attack, but Selene hitting Ignia with moonlight palm while Ignia is trying to talk not?


Gajeel wasnt equal or stronger in Tenrou island. He wasnt equal or stronger in GMG or Tartaros either. Natsu has been ahead of Gajeel since Phantom Lord. Gap widened with LFD and second origin, and Gajeel caught up to LFD with ISD. DF Natsu is still stronger.

Rogue had no reason to trash talk. He wasnt even trying to make Gajeel mad. He literally said that Gajeel wasnt as strong as Natsu after getting beaten up.

Selene tanked his fire rain and laughed at his flames, when she physically slammed Ingia in the ground.

 

[Jko]

Read me once and for all Selene and Erza simps: If you want to consider Suzaku as fodder for Irene Gildarts Laxus Kirin Erza Misaki levels you have to accept that Human Selene is fucking weak and she is fodder for EVERY versions of Acnologia. Acnologia would NEVER NEVER lose to a human it's a big lack of respect for Acnologia to compare him to her when Selene is written as trash. But if you insist so much that your super moon queen is vastly better than Igneel and Ignia then you have to accept that Suzaku is very strong to give her a match.

Ignia went Dragon form first when they clashed in human form. If her human form was weak why didn't he just trash her in human form with a flex like he did to Suzaku? He obviously needed his full power to best Selene in that fight.

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Also Selene literally states she could have handle Dogramag if she wasn't weakened from Ignia's attack. Even if you don't believe Selene = Ignia, she is most definitely stronger than Dog who is confirmed the weakest dragon god and wasn't a 100%. Selene >>>>>> Dog >>>>>> Suzaku no matter how you slice it.

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For me even though I consider Selene's MP comparable to Acnologia, the way she lost every time makes me think she will lose to him. If you want she can give him a high diff fight but she will lose. Sorry but the way Hiro treated his character makes me doubt about her fight level. It's no excuse to say that Ignia took it on if Selene is so strong she has to tank or dodge that Roar. Igneel and Acnologia would have NEVER been pierced by this Roar even if they weren't careful. Do you really think if Selene would have taken Ignia by surprise with a Roar he would have been One Shotted?

Acno and Igneel have a massive resistance to flame based attacks so that's not comparable to Selene who doesn't have protection against said flames lol. Natsu was oneshotted by a fodder attack from Suzaku when he was off guard and then proceeded to barehand Suzaku's strongest attack, Abyss. Mentality does have a major factor in FT fights. There are numerous fights that showcase "cheapshots" being the most deadly attacks. Look at EZ, the main bosses are literally taken out by a cheapshot 99% of the time lol.

 

[sharkai]

Read me once and for all Selene and Erza simps: If you want to consider Suzaku as fodder for Irene Gildarts Laxus Kirin Erza Misaki levels you have to accept that Human Selene is fucking weak and she is fodder for EVERY versions of Acnologia. Acnologia would NEVER NEVER lose to a human it's a big lack of respect for Acnologia to compare him to her when Selene is written as trash. But if you insist so much that your super moon queen is vastly better than Igneel and Ignia then you have to accept that Suzaku is very strong to give her a match.

nope. Selene lied and acted. she is known manipulator.
Selene might be weaker than Ignia and aconolgia but she is reasonably above Dogrmag.

Misaki and Kirin are comparable. they were compared by opponents (laxus vs erza), by mp (gildarts mp) and by statements (Misaki only used her full powers against Kirin).
If kirin is indeed contender for the strongest then its
Kirin>=Misaki > Suzaku

Suzaku was never compared to Kirin.

Thus
power levels would be
Human Aconologia > Human Ignia > Human Selene >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Erza > Misaki > Suzaku
Noway can Suzaku best Human Selene
and Erza who has beaten Suzaku superior will most likely beat him too

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Dogrmag's rocks isnt above his level. It's the best defense at his level. Dogramag has the best defense of all the god dragons.

It is the same for Gajeel. Gajeel is below Natsu, but his iron gives him tougher skin than Natsu. Gildarts and Laxus are way above them.

projection? How do you know this? Suzaku strike cant cut the labyrinth walls, a small flex from ignia will melt them. Human Selene would literally die infront of Human Ignia (if suzaku vs Selene was legit). Amusingly it was Ignia who transformed into dragon first.
Selene has to be pretending against Suzaku (hinted in the manga, suzaku statement) otherwise these things dont work.
Thus Dogrmag durability is normal for god dragons not an exception

It is the same for Gajeel. Gajeel is below Natsu, but his iron gives him tougher skin than Natsu.

more projection?
which attack gajeel tanked which wrecked natsu? Vs laxus, both were being damaged the same, with natsu having higher endurance

Selene isnt physically stronger. Ignia never even hit Selene with a physical attack. Selene was scared of fighting the other god dragons, and thought they would seriously injure each other. Ignia said "Wanna bet?" and proceeded to facetank all of Selene's attacks with a smile on his face.

He wasnt just tanking Selene's physical attacks. He also tanked all the magical attacks she was using. When Ignia's flames started to burn Selene, she chose to teleport into water to wash it off instead of trying to tank it. The roar wrecked her. Tell me, what happens if Ignia puts the same amount of fire into a punch as the roar?

Y'all have got to stop claiming that everything is a sneak attack. How does a roar given after a big speech while the opponent is facing you count as sneak attacks, but literally teleporting behind someone doesn't? How is Ignia ending his speech with "Like this!" and attacking a sneak attack, but Selene hitting Ignia with moonlight palm while Ignia is trying to talk not?

I am just saying it was selene who was going physical, not ignia (so maybe selene was more confidence in her physical stats). stop making things up. ignia tanked as much as selene tanked. nothing changed till ignia sob story. they were both in similiar condition when they started to talk and ignia sneak attacked.

fine both were sneak attack, except selene atack was human swipe compared to ignia, who was literally exploiting a situation, to kill.

Gajeel wasnt equal or stronger in Tenrou island. He wasnt equal or stronger in GMG or Tartaros either. Natsu has been ahead of Gajeel since Phantom Lord. Gap widened with LFD and second origin, and Gajeel caught up to LFD with ISD. DF Natsu is still stronger.

Rogue had no reason to trash talk. He wasnt even trying to make Gajeel mad. He literally said that Gajeel wasnt as strong as Natsu after getting beaten up.

If you are competing you have reason for trash talk.
i dont understand this at all.
is ISD much bigger boost than LFD
because only then can gajeel catch up with lfd natsu

No one is talking about df natsu.

we are talking about SO vs three months
which goes like this
Tenrou base natsu > Tenrou base gajeel
Gmg base natsu > Gmg base gajee (SO vs three months)
gmg lfd natsu > Isd gajeel

SO does not look superior anywhere here. nothing changed because of it. if SO was bigger boost than difference between them would widen (without df). meanwhile 100 year quest base and lfd natsu was completely stalemated by gajeel in base and in isd form.



You know what i like. you creating things out of thin air and believing them, and actually ignoring actual cannon stuffs.
SO above three months,
gajeel durability above natsu.
Dogrmag durability being above other dragon gods. (Where are you getting these)

meanwhile actual manga events seems to fly right by you.
Selene vs ignia looks like more of battle of equal.
Suzaku literally saying so selene lost on purpose
kirin and misaki were compared

 

[Axiomus]

Selene tanked his fire rain and laughed at his flames, when she physically slammed Ingia in the ground.

Selene mocked the first attack Ignia did, implying that they were too weak to be the flames of Igneel's son. So Ignia used steonger flames that Selene wanted no part of.

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Ignia went Dragon form first when they clashed in human form. If her human form was weak why didn't he just trash her in human form with a flex like he did to Suzaku? He obviously needed his full power to best Selene in that fight.

Also Selene literally states she could have handle Dogramag if she wasn't weakened from Ignia's attack. Even if you don't believe Selene = Ignia, she is most definitely stronger than Dog who is confirmed the weakest dragon god and wasn't a 100%. Selene >>>>>> Dog >>>>>> Suzaku no matter how you slice it.

Just because they're using their dragon forms doesnt mean they have to go all out. Wait... Are you saying that Ignia could only beat Selene's human form if he turned dragon? Yeah, no. He probably figured they would end up fighting with their dragon forms anyways, so there's no use wasting time. It's not like beating her human form means anything if she can just transform. It means nothing in terms of power scaling.

Selene is stronger than Dogrmag....Inher dragon form. Cuz her scales are harder to melt than Dogramag's rocks. But her human form skin isnt harder than Dogramag's rocks.

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nope. Selene lied and acted. she is known manipulator.
Selene might be weaker than Ignia and aconolgia but she is reasonably above Dogrmag.

Misaki and Kirin are comparable. they were compared by opponents (laxus vs erza), by mp (gildarts mp) and by statements (Misaki only used her full powers against Kirin).
If kirin is indeed contender for the strongest then its
Kirin>=Misaki > Suzaku

Suzaku was never compared to Kirin.

Thus
power levels would be
Human Aconologia > Human Ignia > Human Selene >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Erza > Misaki > Suzaku
Noway can Suzaku best Human Selene
and Erza who has beaten Suzaku superior will most likely beat him too

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projection? How do you know this? Suzaku strike cant cut the labyrinth walls, a small flex from ignia will melt them. Human Selene would literally die infront of Human Ignia (if suzaku vs Selene was legit). Amusingly it was Ignia who transformed into dragon first.
Selene has to be pretending against Suzaku (hinted in the manga, suzaku statement) otherwise these things dont work.
Thus Dogrmag durability is normal for god dragons not an exception


more projection?
which attack gajeel tanked which wrecked natsu? Vs laxus, both were being damaged the same, with natsu having higher endurance



I am just saying it was selene who was going physical, not ignia (so maybe selene was more confidence in her physical stats). stop making things up. ignia tanked as much as selene tanked. nothing changed till ignia sob story. they were both in similiar condition when they started to talk and ignia sneak attacked.

fine both were sneak attack, except selene atack was human swipe compared to ignia, who was literally exploiting a situation, to kill.





If you are competing you have reason for trash talk.
i dont understand this at all.
is ISD much bigger boost than LFD
because only then can gajeel catch up with lfd natsu

No one is talking about df natsu.

we are talking about SO vs three months
which goes like this
Tenrou base natsu > Tenrou base gajeel
Gmg base natsu > Gmg base gajee (SO vs three months)
gmg lfd natsu > Isd gajeel

SO does not look superior anywhere here. nothing changed because of it. if SO was bigger boost than difference between them would widen (without df). meanwhile 100 year quest base and lfd natsu was completely stalemated by gajeel in base and in isd form.



You know what i like. you creating things out of thin air and believing them, and actually ignoring actual cannon stuffs.
SO above three months,
gajeel durability above natsu.
Dogrmag durability being above other dragon gods. (Where are you getting these)

meanwhile actual manga events seems to fly right by you.
Selene vs ignia looks like more of battle of equal.
Suzaku literally saying so selene lost on purpose
kirin and misaki were compared

Lol, no. Ignia is just stronger.

If Selene coulda blasted a hole in Ignia's chest, she would have. She's the one afraid of getting injured fighting another god dragon. Ignia was talking about taking turns lmao. Selene caught him off guard plenty of times. She hit him with an attack when he was on the ground and in no position to defend himself. Ignia was just too durable. The same is not true vice versa. Had Ignia and Selene kept fighting, Ignia would eventually landed a hit. Again, what happens if Ignia uses a fire fist with the same power he puts in his roar? Or do you think he's incapableof that.

All the BDSK are comparable. Suzaku has the best feats and hype. Kirin is stated to be stronger, and that's the only reason to give himthe benefit of the doubt of being stronger. Misaki doesn't get this benefit. If Kirin is only a contender, then Suzaku has a far better claim than Misaki. Defeating Selene is better han veing Kirin's sparring partner. Selene's Acno level MP is better than Gildarts level MP flex.

Why wouldn't we include DF? DF takes a lot of MP. Prior to second origin, Natsu needed to eat power ups for it. Second origin puts him at the level where he doesnt. How is this not just a better power up? Look, second origin is an entire second container of magic. Unless you're saying everyone doubled their mp in 3 months, then second origin is obviously better.

 

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Why wouldn't we include DF? DF takes a lot of MP. Prior to second origin, Natsu needed to eat power ups for it. Second origin puts him at the level where he doesnt. How is this not just a better power up? Look, second origin is an entire second container of magic. Unless you're saying everyone doubled their mp in 3 months, then second origin is obviously better.

because df natsu is above even laxus. and gajeel even in alverzec doesnt seems to have that kind ability. is alverzec gajeel mp< tartarus natsu mp.
this df nonsense is unique to natsu, thus not comparable.

it is not obviously better because nothing in power hierarchy changed. i dont think even you believe gmg natsu is vastly superior to gajeel and nor is gray.

If Selene coulda blasted a hole in Ignia's chest, she would have. She's the one afraid of getting injured fighting another god dragon. Ignia was talking about taking turns lmao. Selene caught him off guard plenty of times. She hit him with an attack when he was on the ground and in no position to defend himself. Ignia was just too durable. The same is not true vice versa. Had Ignia and Selene kept fighting, Ignia would eventually landed a hit. Again, what happens if Ignia uses a fire fist with the same power he puts in his roar? Or do you think he's incapableof that.

i already believe that ignia is above. but the battle didnt show this. and one have to be pretty stupid to go into that detail (kind a like people analyzing suzaku sword strike) in fairy tail manga. the battle shows they are somewhat comparable. if ignia does that punch, in a battle, he will do same damage maybe, but most likely will have similar injury from selene own powered attack.

All the BDSK are comparable. Suzaku has the best feats and hype. Kirin is stated to be stronger, and that's the only reason to give himthe benefit of the doubt of being stronger. Misaki doesn't get this benefit. If Kirin is only a contender, then Suzaku has a far better claim than Misaki. Defeating Selene is better han veing Kirin's sparring partner. Selene's Acno level MP is better than Gildarts level MP flex.

1. all suzaku feats are questionable. if suzaku can best human selene. Kirin is gonna one on one human ignia
2. kirin is compared with Misaki not with Suzaku
at max you can say
Suzaku>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kirin>Misaki
either you are openly playing here or you have some serious problems.
In no way you can claim kirin is compared to suzaku more than misaki, which gives us clear idea what is in Mishma head.

 

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Selene mocked the first attack Ignia did, implying that they were too weak to be the flames of Igneel's son. So Ignia used steonger flames that Selene wanted no part of.

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Just because they're using their dragon forms doesnt mean they have to go all out. Wait... Are you saying that Ignia could only beat Selene's human form if he turned dragon? Yeah, no. He probably figured they would end up fighting with their dragon forms anyways, so there's no use wasting time. It's not like beating her human form means anything if she can just transform. It means nothing in terms of power scaling.

Selene is stronger than Dogrmag....Inher dragon form. Cuz her scales are harder to melt than Dogramag's rocks. But her human form skin isnt harder than Dogramag's rocks.

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Lol, no. Ignia is just stronger.

If Selene coulda blasted a hole in Ignia's chest, she would have. She's the one afraid of getting injured fighting another god dragon. Ignia was talking about taking turns lmao. Selene caught him off guard plenty of times. She hit him with an attack when he was on the ground and in no position to defend himself. Ignia was just too durable. The same is not true vice versa. Had Ignia and Selene kept fighting, Ignia would eventually landed a hit. Again, what happens if Ignia uses a fire fist with the same power he puts in his roar? Or do you think he's incapableof that.

All the BDSK are comparable. Suzaku has the best feats and hype. Kirin is stated to be stronger, and that's the only reason to give himthe benefit of the doubt of being stronger. Misaki doesn't get this benefit. If Kirin is only a contender, then Suzaku has a far better claim than Misaki. Defeating Selene is better han veing Kirin's sparring partner. Selene's Acno level MP is better than Gildarts level MP flex.

Why wouldn't we include DF? DF takes a lot of MP. Prior to second origin, Natsu needed to eat power ups for it. Second origin puts him at the level where he doesnt. How is this not just a better power up? Look, second origin is an entire second container of magic. Unless you're saying everyone doubled their mp in 3 months, then second origin is obviously better.

Selene stats >>>>> Dorgamag stats >>>> Dorga rocks. Human form or not. There is no reason to believe her human form is fodder in comparison to the other DGs when she literally forced Ig ia out of human form in Dragon form.

Yeah, he went dragon form first ergo he didn't believe he could best her human form in his. It does. He would have just blitzed oneshotted her human form if it was severely weaker than his own instead he went Dragon form before she did. Therefore he saw her as a threat in human form. While he didn't believe Suzaku could do shit to him while in his human form. Literally flexed and foddered him while he obviously couldnt do the same to Selene.

No reason to believe Ignia held back in that fight. He wanted to show Natsu the difference in power between him and Igneel.

 

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because df natsu is above even laxus. and gajeel even in alverzec doesnt seems to have that kind ability. is alverzec gajeel mp< tartarus natsu mp.
this df nonsense is unique to natsu, thus not comparable.

it is not obviously better because nothing in power hierarchy changed. i dont think even you believe gmg natsu is vastly superior to gajeel and nor is gray.

i already believe that ignia is above. but the battle didnt show this. and one have to be pretty stupid to go into that detail (kind a like people analyzing suzaku sword strike) in fairy tail manga. the battle shows they are somewhat comparable. if ignia does that punch, in a battle, he will do same damage maybe, but most likely will have similar injury from selene own powered attack.

1. all suzaku feats are questionable. if suzaku can best human selene. Kirin is gonna one on one human ignia
2. kirin is compared with Misaki not with Suzaku
at max you can say
Suzaku>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kirin>Misaki
either you are openly playing here or you have some serious problems.
In no way you can claim kirin is compared to suzaku more than misaki, which gives us clear idea what is in Mishma head.

Doesnt that just prove my point? Natsu could only use DF by eating a chunk of etherion or all of Jellal's MP. Second origin doubled his MP reserves, putting him at that level without eating. How is this not just better than training 3 months? Natsu and Gajeel were never strict equals before and after the timeskip. The powerup that put Gajeel equal with LFD didnt even come from his 3 months of training. Same with Gray and his devil slaying magic. Gajeel and Gray were base Natsu level for most of GMG.

Selene landed attacks on him while he was in the middle of talking. She landed attacks on Ignia when he was on the ground and not defending himself. She had no reason to hold back as she's afraid of getting injured. Ignia was simply more durable. He was willing and able to lie on the ground and tank a moonlight palm to the chest. I very much doubt Selene would be very eager to do the same.

Im not saying being saying a Suzaku is being compared to Kirin more than Misaki. Im saying Selene saying her human form is no match for him is downright better. There were statements about Kirin being the strongest. You can either take that at face value, or argue that "Kirin is only a contender". Either is fine with me, but if you choose the latter...then Suzaku has a claim of being the strongest too. The hype of sparring Kirin is simply not better hype than of beating Selene.

Feats are feats. There's nothing questionable about it. Suzaku beats human Selene. That doesnt suggest Kirin can take human Ignia. We havnt seen Ignia fight in human form. If he's anything like the version of Natsu we saw against Merc, which was done using his power, he folds the BDSK.

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Selene stats >>>>> Dorgamag stats >>>> Dorga rocks. Human form or not. There is no reason to believe her human form is fodder in comparison to the other DGs when she literally forced Ig ia out of human form in Dragon form.

Yeah, he went dragon form first ergo he didn't believe he could best her human form in his. It does. He would have just blitzed oneshotted her human form if it was severely weaker than his own instead he went Dragon form before she did. Therefore he saw her as a threat in human form. While he didn't believe Suzaku could do shit to him while in his human form. Literally flexed and foddered him while he obviously couldnt do the same to Selene.

No reason to believe Ignia held back in that fight. He wanted to show Natsu the difference in power between him and Igneel.

Selene's dragon scales = Dogramag's dragon scales. Dogramag's rocks > Selene's human skin. Selene's human form skin can be cut by Suzaku. Dogramag's rocks can't. Dogramag is using a special type of magic that makes his rocks indestructible. Selene isnt.

Beating her human form would do nothing, as Selene can just transform into her dragon form. It would just be a waste of time. I could just as easily argue that Ignia didnt want to waste time fighting a weaker version of Selene, so he entered dragon form to encourage Selene to do the same, simply to make things less boring. It actually be more consistent with his character.

The last attack may have been serious, but it's pretty clear Ignia held back in the beginning. The first attack he used didnt do much. Selene mocked him for it, so he burned her with stronger flames. Ignia talked about how it's his turn before Natsu interrupted them. I mean, this shows that Ignia treating the fight way differently than how Selene is. Selene thinks the God Dragons to be equal, and thinks both would get seriously injured. She has no interest in trading blows with Ignia if she can help it. Ignia thinks he's stronger, strong enough to emerge unharmed from this fight. He is willing to just face-tank Selene's attacks. He wants to see what Selene can throw at him before getting serious.

 

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Doesnt that just prove my point? Natsu could only use DF by eating a chunk of etherion or all of Jellal's MP. Second origin doubled his MP reserves, putting him at that level without eating. How is this not just better than training 3 months? Natsu and Gajeel were never strict equals before and after the timeskip. The powerup that put Gajeel equal with LFD didnt even come from his 3 months of training. Same with Gray and his devil slaying magic. Gajeel and Gray were base Natsu level for most of GMG.

no because we never saw natsu with three months training. it is possible that natsu would have achieved the same with three months training.
latter part of this parapgraph doesnt make sense.
tenrou natsu > tenrou gajeel right?
and if SO>three months then
SO base natsu >> three months base gajeel
SO lfd natsu >> three months isd gajeel

was natsu tiers above gajeel in GMG?

Selene landed attacks on him while he was in the middle of talking. She landed attacks on Ignia when he was on the ground and not defending himself. She had no reason to hold back as she's afraid of getting injured. Ignia was simply more durable. He was willing and able to lie on the ground and tank a moonlight palm to the chest. I very much doubt Selene would be very eager to do the same.

impossible to know. majority of attacks selene landed on ignia seems because he was slow. not because he was showing he can tank them. again selen tanked as much as ignia did. his last attack was much stronger and also caught selene by surprise. it does not show ignia>>selene
in fact i will wager, mishma doesnt follow your line of thinking either

Either is fine with me, but if you choose the latter...then Suzaku has a claim of being the strongest too.

no suzaku has no claim to be the strongest. only fans think that, nothing in the manga suggests it

The hype of sparring Kirin is simply not better hype than of beating Selene.

selene pretended to lose (mentioned in the manga). she might have lost to tenrou Ultear for all you know

Feats are feats. There's nothing questionable about it. Suzaku beats human Selene. That doesnt suggest Kirin can take human Ignia. We havnt seen Ignia fight in human form. If he's anything like the version of Natsu we saw against Merc, which was done using his power, he folds the BDSK.

then what does it suggest?
say lucy beats aconlogia, cant we make a prediction that she can hang with ignia. why cant we make prediction after watching Suzaku vs Selene

 

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no because we never saw natsu with three months training. it is possible that natsu would have achieved the same with three months training.
latter part of this parapgraph doesnt make sense.
tenrou natsu > tenrou gajeel right?
and if SO>three months then
SO base natsu >> three months base gajeel
SO lfd natsu >> three months isd gajeel

was natsu tiers above gajeel in GMG?1q




impossible to know. majority of attacks selene landed on ignia seems because he was slow. not because he was showing he can tank them. again selen tanked as much as ignia did. his last attack was much stronger and also caught selene by surprise. it does not show ignia>>selene
in fact i will wager, mishma doesnt follow your line of thinking either



no suzaku has no claim to be the strongest. only fans think that, nothing in the manga suggests it



selene pretended to lose (mentioned in the manga). she might have lost to tenrou Ultear for all you know


then what does it suggest?
say lucy beats aconlogia, cant we make a prediction that she can hang with ignia. why cant we make prediction after watching Suzaku vs Selene

Base Natsu >= base Gajeel
LFD Natsu >= ISD Gajeel
DF Natsu > Any version of Gajeel in x791

Second origin doubles Natsu's MP and puts him on a level where he can trigger DF. 3 months of training made Gajeel stronger by an unspecified amount. ISD is power up on top of that, and that only put Gajeel on par with LFD Natsu. I've answered the question: Rogue told Gajeel he wasnt on the same level as Natsu. You seem to be under the impression that base Natsu needs to be significantly stronger than base Gajeel to prove second origin is a better power up. I dont see why that's the case.

You don't think Ignia couldnt have dodged or blocked any of Selene's attacks? Looks to me Ignia was just being arrogant and didnt bother trying to defend himself. There was no sneak attack. You dont get to claim a sneak attack when your opponent is standing right in front of you giving a speech as he's attacking. What Ignia did was no different than Selene landing Moonlight Butterflies on him when he was trying to talk. In terms of being caught off guard, Selene landed a moonlight palm on Ignia when he was on the ground. He had no defenses there, and still tanked the hit.

Selene absolutely has a claim to being the strongest. He has the best feats and hype. The only reason Kirin is the stronger is because there are statements saying he's the strongest. Selene pretended to lose by not assuming her dragon form. Suzaku still has her human form outmatched.

 

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Base Natsu >= base Gajeel
LFD Natsu >= ISD Gajeel
DF Natsu > Any version of Gajeel in x791

Second origin doubles Natsu's MP and puts him on a level where he can trigger DF. 3 months of training made Gajeel stronger by an unspecified amount. ISD is power up on top of that, and that only put Gajeel on par with LFD Natsu. I've answered the question: Rogue told Gajeel he wasnt on the same level as Natsu. You seem to be under the impression that base Natsu needs to be significantly stronger than base Gajeel to prove second origin is a better power up. I dont see why that's the case.

ok so
tartarus df natsu > base alverzec natsu
yes or no ?

You don't think Ignia couldnt have dodged or blocked any of Selene's attacks? Looks to me Ignia was just being arrogant and didnt bother trying to defend himself. There was no sneak attack. You dont get to claim a sneak attack when your opponent is standing right in front of you giving a speech as he's attacking. What Ignia did was no different than Selene landing Moonlight Butterflies on him when he was trying to talk. In terms of being caught off guard, Selene landed a moonlight palm on Ignia when he was on the ground. He had no defenses there, and still tanked the hit.

i dont think it was that exploitive as ignia move. teleportation type is selene magic.

Selene absolutely has a claim to being the strongest. He has the best feats and hype. The only reason Kirin is the stronger is because there are statements saying he's the strongest. Selene pretended to lose by not assuming her dragon form. Suzaku still has her human form outmatched.

says who. you? you are not the author. the author says all bdsk are suzaku level after selene performance. in other words, mishma does not think anything suzaku did before that comparison is for suzaku only.
after that kirin was the contender for the stongest with mp around gildarts level, who is the only person to make misaki (another person to have gildarts level mp) go serious.