Canon Suzaku vs Erza Scarlet

[FireIce]

Bro, Erza vs DF Natsu is close with 7-8. That was what I linked in my post.

Then why are you surprised by this lol, Erza fans think she wins against anyone.

Yes lmao, I saw it.

 

[Garmadooon]

Given the number of asspull she had in the battle VS Misaki it's not surprising "Omg a magic of torture" --> Repeat of her battle VS Kyoka "Omg a new enchantment with the magic of Jellal " --> typically Mary Sue Power and to please the shippers "Omg her magic crushed the magic" --> Repeat of her fight against the historias

 

[MyaHeart35]

Given the number of asspull she had in the battle VS Misaki it's not surprising "Omg a magic of torture" --> Repeat of her battle VS Kyoka "Omg a new enchantment with the magic of Jellal " --> typically Mary Sue Power and to please the shippers "Omg her magic crushed the magic" --> Repeat of her fight against the historias

But she didn't have no asspulls against Miskai tho. Erza verses Suzaku was nothing but hype. Misaki is hinted to be the Second strongest knight. It's clear Erza is stronger than Suzaku.

 

[FireIce]

He still broke her sword and took her down with a casual attack.

 

[FireIce]

Irrelevant. You said she didn't have the speed to react to him which was just flat out false.

Yes, I recognize that I was wrong. Suzaku still can overpower Erza's swords and beat her.

 

[FireIce]

Kiria overpowered her sword as well. Doesn't mean much compared to a serious Erza.

What makes you think Suzaku was taking her seriously? He took Selene way more seriously.

 

[FireIce]

Well it's a good thing we have an example of a fight where Erza and someone of Suzaku's caliber are both serious.

Well it's a good thing we have a literal example of Erza and Suzaku fighting that ended with Erza losing.

 

[bugen]

In the manga it is made clear that rematches are clear for FT.

We all saw how Hakume instantly defeated Natsu and Gray at the same time, plus it was super easy.
The rematch was with only Gray, and we all know how it ended.

This example doesn't seem to work for Erza on this forum.

We all watched as Suzaku defeated Erza and Natsu, Erza being behind the group and being the only one to react (not Natsu).
Erza protected the group, she didn't expect that attack, instead Natsu was totally enraged and made an absolute fool of himself, since he couldn't even react to the attack, he being the one who was going to attack.

The rematch ended in a draw with Natsu, with him still unable to see Suzaku's attacks.

Natsu trained and prepared, but because people on this forum can't think that Erza doesn't train, this is ridiculous.

Furthermore, she was convinced of FT's victory over Diavolos, and knowing Suzaku's strength.

Erza knows the power and speed of Suzaku and she looked victorious, she was prepared for the fight.

If Natsu can prepare, then Erza can too, and they both did, they both faced BDSK and proved to be on their level.

Erza was able to surpass an equal to Suzaku, said by Selene, the Diavolos trio and Suzaku himself.

And it seems thay people take Selene's words seriously, it have to remember that Selene is a liar.

It must be remembered that her fight with Suzaku was a lie so that she would take him prisoner to the guild so she could kill Geor.

 

[Ronin31]

Well it's a good thing we have a literal example of Erza and Suzaku fighting that ended with Erza losing.

This situation is identical to many others. Why think that only Natsu can use a defeat as an experiment in anticipation of a return match against this antagonist ?

Grey was easily defeated by Hakune, but this one was able to turn the situation around. Lucy was able to turn the situation around with Mimi as well.

They all learn from their defeats to improve themselves. Why should we think that Erza, a born warrior, is incapable of ? Especially having faced, in the past, swordmasters who, like Suzaku, used the Batto Jutsu to fight : Ikaruga, Kagura. Erza, like her companions, can use her experience to analyze and reverse a situation. She has demonstrated this many times.

As Grey says, "Fairy Tail never loses twice against the same antagonist". It’s not just for Natsu. Erza is a thoughtful warrior, just read her fight against Midnight. And even if you don’t like her, people, her strength is no longer to prove, just like Laxus.

 

[Jko]

They keep forgetting Erza was weakened and off guard during her confrontation with Suzaku. The fight is meaningless against an on guard Erza at full power as shown when she beat someone who was stated to be Suzaku's relative level by himself and his peers.

I'm not going to go in circles with people who believe Suzaku is human dg level when that was proven to be not true in the next arc as he got his ass whooped by the weakest dg in human form while they were nerfed. Hell, he couldn't even beat him when Dorga was nerfed to shit in human form lol.

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Irrelevant. You said she didn't have the speed to react to him which was just flat out false.

The way he couldn't even blitz an exhausted off guard Erza

 

[Darklord#10]

Natsu trained and prepared, but because people on this forum can't think that Erza doesn't train, this is ridiculous.

Lol no the reason she does what she does it's because she's Erza. Gray confirmed that after the fight against misaki. I still don't know who wins this fight to be honest and I've maintained my stance on that. The only outright strongest among all bdsk level characters is kirin the others I don't know

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If you guys like to pick and choose Selene's statement I need you to the same to Eileen case to because some guys in this forum were wanking Eileen cuz selene said she has huge MP. If we're going to disregard suzaku's feat against selene fine but we will disregard everything selene has said. You don't get to choose which Selene's statement you want to listen and what you don't want to listen to

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If Natsu can prepare, then Erza can too, and they both did, they both faced BDSK and proved to be on their level.

Show me scans of her preparing. This idea that cuz one character said something means it's applies to others doesn't make sense to me. I need to see proof of that. Feats. It's canon statement that Erza only wins because she's Erza. Natsu trains. Not the same thing

 

[LaGOAT]

Lol no the reason she does what she does it's because she's Erza. Gray confirmed that after the fight against misaki. I still don't know who wins this fight to be honest and I've maintained my stance on that. The only outright strongest among all bdsk level characters is kirin the others I don't know

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If you guys like to pick and choose Selene's statement I need you to the same to Eileen case to because some guys in this forum were wanking Eileen cuz selene said she has huge MP. If we're going to disregard suzaku's feat against selene fine but we will disregard everything selene has said. You don't get to choose which Selene's statement you want to listen and what you don't want to listen to

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Show me scans of her preparing. This idea that cuz one character said something means it's applies to others doesn't make sense to me. I need to see proof of that. Feats. It's canon statement that Erza only wins because she's Erza. Natsu trains. Not the same thing

And that’s exactly the issue it’s the inconsistency with forums I’m not saying statements are end all be all I’m just find it funny when people pick and chose statements when it their favs but if it wouldn’t be the same with other characters . Honestly right now I think erza beats suzaku. But I keep saying repeatedly same tier=\= same lvl u can be in the same tier as some1 but u can be slight weaker/stronger than the oppoent

 

[Darklord#10]

Really not sure why you think this is the "gothca". All Selene said was that Irene's magic power was too large for someone on Wendy's level. This is information we already knew based on the fact that just a little while earlier on Aldoron, Wendy's power didn't even equal one percent of Irene's full power. And that was with a power boost. It's really simple. When the statement is corroborated with other evidence, it's credible. When it's immediately contradicted multiple times, then it's not.

Then why was some people here wanking Eileen saying her MP was to big and to monstrous that she couldn't die? Check Eileen vs fT thread

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When it's immediately contradicted multiple times, then it's not.

Nah bro if selene is a liar, that means everything She says is a lie. We're not going to be picking one statement up and dropping it. Also it's funny you say this but you said gray can match suzaku cuz natsu can....... hmmm

 

[FireIce]

They keep forgetting Erza was weakened and off guard during her confrontation with Suzaku. The fight is meaningless against an on guard Erza at full power as shown when she beat someone who was stated to be Suzaku's relative level by himself and his peers.

I'm not going to go in circles with people who believe Suzaku is human dg level when that was proben to be not true in the next arc as he git his ass whooped by the weakest dg in human form while they were nerfed. Hell, he couldn't even beat him when Dorga was nerfed to shit in human form lol.

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The way he couldn't even blitz an exhausted off guard Erza

Erza was off-guard against Misaki. But she won the battle.

Suzaku literally told Team Natsu to prepare themselves and Erza reacted to his strike. How was she off-guard?

 

[bugen]

Show me scans of her preparing. This idea that cuz one character said something means it's applies to others doesn't make sense to me. I need to see proof of that. Feats. It's canon statement that Erza only wins because she's Erza. Natsu trains. Not the same thing

So you think that Erza doesn't train, well, this isn't just hate towards her, this is also ignorance.

And I really have to answer this question, what a shame.

No training is seen from any, everything is offscreen.

Like Lucy vs Mimi, she is not seen training or preparing, and Lucy was able to defeat Mimi the second time around.
Same with Gray vs Hakune.
Same as Lucy vs. Kyria.
The same as Natsu vs. Suzaku, only this last one vs. there was no winner.
And Erza looked like a winner in the rematch with Diavolos, she knew the power of Suzaku and she looked like a winner, she was ready.

I put it in my previous post, you just had to read it.

Please understand that I don't want to talk.

With Selene, it's true that she lies, it's seen in the manga, but that doesn't mean she has to lie all the time.
And Irene's magical power is something that has been known since Alvarez, please.

 

[Darklord#10]

And Irene's magical power is something that has been known since Alvarez, please.

@Jintohaku this is what I'm saying. People keep saying that her magic power is on astronomical level that it can't even be contained in the fT world.

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So you think that Erza doesn't train, well, this isn't just hate towards her, this is also ignorance

Gray and Carla literally said the reason Erza beat misaki is because she's Erza. Lucy beat kyria because we actually have on panel statement stating that Lucy actually trains and she didn't come unprepared. I don't hate Erza. fT female characters mean nothing to me I have no personal attachment to any of them except for probably Eileen so I can defend Erza today and not defend her tomorrow. Hell I barely even remember Wendy vs nebal or Lucy vs Mimi. I haven't even said suzaku wins, i will wait for more feats right now it's unclear.

 

[Darklord#10]

How do you extrapolate that to mean she never improves herself?

She does because she's Erza. That was clearly stated to be the main reason that she beat misaki.

 

[FireIce]

This situation is identical to many others. Why think that only Natsu can use a defeat as an experiment in anticipation of a return match against this antagonist ?

Grey was easily defeated by Hakune, but this one was able to turn the situation around. Lucy was able to turn the situation around with Mimi as well.

They all learn from their defeats to improve themselves. Why should we think that Erza, a born warrior, is incapable of ? Especially having faced, in the past, swordmasters who, like Suzaku, used the Batto Jutsu to fight : Ikaruga, Kagura. Erza, like her companions, can use her experience to analyze and reverse a situation. She has demonstrated this many times.

As Grey says, "Fairy Tail never loses twice against the same antagonist". It’s not just for Natsu. Erza is a thoughtful warrior, just read her fight against Midnight. And even if you don’t like her, people, her strength is no longer to prove, just like Laxus.

I agree with most of what you said. I don't hate Erza at all. She's my second fave female character.

Erza is obviously very strong. Like you said, she no longer has to prove her strength. The thing is, Erza hasn't shown the level of defense Natsu's got with FDK scales. And Suzaku is extremely durable. He has tanked attacks from Selene and Ignia in their human form. He survived Dogramag's stomp in his dragon form. I'm just not convinced Erza has the attack power to beat Suzaku.

 

[Darklord#10]

Laxus vs Suzaku?

I don't know tbh. I mean in terms of attack power I'd give it to laxus but durability I'd give it to suzaku. Anyways I will wait for new feats to give my judgement. Natsu's still inferior to suzaku. I don't think I've put natsu above laxus and erza except DF natsu. I feel like this sequel is filled with so many "oh character A is as strong as character B, oh character C has MP level on character D level etc. I've met quite a lot of people who think suzaku is still the strongest even though that's not the case

 

[Darklord#10]

I meant if Natsu had fought and defeated Kirin.

Nothing much will change for me to be honest