Canon Suzaku vs Erza Scarlet

[Darklord#10]

Interesting. If Kirin is at the very least equal to Suzaku, why would whoever beat him not also be superior to Suzaku?

Yeah I see your point. But it's not like laxus would just one shot suzaku. It'll probably be high diff to extreme diff fight

 

[Garmadooon]

The Laxus/Kirin fight is also a BS. At first Kirin was stomping on Laxus with his pure strength not hax. But towards the end I definitely feel like he was just trying to power up Laxus with his coffin.

 

[Goku solos]

Casual Suzaku one shots again

 

[MyaHeart35]

Erza mid-high diff.

 

[Darklord#10]

Casual Suzaku one shots again

One time you be speaking facts next time you be dropping Ls

 

[Lucy>Wendy&Elfman]

Suzaku oneshot, Erza is way too overrated

 

[MyaHeart35]

Suzaku oneshot, Erza is way too overrated

I don't see how. Erza is overrated because she fought someone just as strong as him if not stronger and literally overpowered her magic itself. If anything Suzaku is the one overrated. Saying he can oneshot. Him and Erza first fight was nothing but hype and if they fought again Erza would 100% win.

 

[Axiomus]

This situation is identical to many others. Why think that only Natsu can use a defeat as an experiment in anticipation of a return match against this antagonist ?

Grey was easily defeated by Hakune, but this one was able to turn the situation around. Lucy was able to turn the situation around with Mimi as well.

They all learn from their defeats to improve themselves. Why should we think that Erza, a born warrior, is incapable of ? Especially having faced, in the past, swordmasters who, like Suzaku, used the Batto Jutsu to fight : Ikaruga, Kagura. Erza, like her companions, can use her experience to analyze and reverse a situation. She has demonstrated this many times.

As Grey says, "Fairy Tail never loses twice against the same antagonist". It’s not just for Natsu. Erza is a thoughtful warrior, just read her fight against Midnight. And even if you don’t like her, people, her strength is no longer to prove, just like Laxus.

Natsu doesnt do better against Suzaku "bEcAusE ReMAtcH". He did better against a Suzaku because he trained and developed a fire dragon king scales. These scales are harder than regular dragon scales. Erza doesnt have an armors tougher than dragon scales. You can maybe argue that her katana can cut dragon scales when she pours all of her magic into an attack, and this might be enough to hold up against Suzaku's attacks. But this leaves 2 glaring issues.

1) Erza has to go all out just to match Suzaku. The attacks that Suzaku used to oneshot Erza were casual.

2) Benisakura has repeated been stated to offer no defensive bonuses. If Erza gets hit during this, she has zero magic helping her defense.

This idea that Erza can just pour MP into her armours is to make them tougher is basically fanfiction. Her armours have never worked this way. When she fought Laxus, and he broke lightning empress, Erza concluded that defense was useless because Laxus could probably just break any armour she has. Meaning Erza probably doesnt have an armour worth using against anyone who hits harder than Laxus. Only benisakura has been stated to convert all of Erza's MP into attack power. It's the only thing here that has a realistic chance of not getting smashed, and only when Erza goes all out.

 

[sharkai]

Dude, you are trying to argue against Erza fans in good faith. The issue however is, they don't argue in good faith.

Just see them argue Erza even wins against DF Natsu. Absolutely ridiculous:

Fantasy - Natsu vs White Out PoF Erza

Scenario: Erza enters the room where Toûka is located and she uses her white magic to make her doll with the mission to protect her at the risk of her life as a loved one. Natsu arrives with Happy and finds himself facing this Erza determined to protect Toûka and to crush any enemy who tries to...

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They want her to be Natsu, wish she was same as Natsu in power and role. Even though that clearly isn't the case.
Reality is, her portrayal and feats was always below characters like Laxus in the main series, and only has recently caught up with him and closed the gap to be in same tier. And Laxus is still a bit stronger than her. Her role is that of a secondary MC, similar to Gray and Wendy.
While what Natsu has accomplished ever since x792 are feats that nobody in the guild can even dream of. And he is the primary MC along with Lucy.

Just ignore and move on. Erza and Eileen fans are two fanbases that cannot be reasoned with. Somehow they have much of an overlap too, I wonder why.


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Regarding Suzaku/Kirin/Laxus stuff:

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Selene said Laxus was a contender for the strongest in FT, while Kirin was said to be a contender for strongest in Diabolos.

If we look at it narratively, this is just typical Mashima way of hyping up Laxus and Kirin.
With fairy tail, we know for a fact that Natsu stomps Laxus once he pulls out DF. The way Mashima has consistently written Natsu speaks volumes, no explanation needed for anyone unbiased here, have to admit it even as a Laxus fan.
Suzaku's feats in both arcs are also unmatched amongst BDSK.

This is specifically why Mashima has to spell it out that Laxus is a contender for FT's strongest. Because it has to be said, since it is not self evident based on the showings in the manga.
Same thing for Kirin, Mashima has to say he could be the strongest.......because that is the way to hype him up. Suzaku doesn't need that, because he himself is the source of hype for BDSK, with undoubtedly the best feats by far in back to back arcs. Because he is the one paired up with Natsu. Because he is the one who faced two DGs.

But yes, this would establish Laxus and Kirin as at the very least top 2 in their respective guilds.
I say Laxus is 2nd strongest FT member there (bar Natsu), Kirin is the 2nd strongest Diabolos member (bar Suzaku).

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This really is just it tbh

i love your confidence and lack of self reflection
believes alverzec gray > alverzec erza
believes ds seal was a huge power up
believes erza had external magic power against laxus
believes bdsk will be too much for fairy tail
believes eileen to be one of the weakest ds and low tier dragon level

then later get pissed that mishma doesnt follow your thought process and claim there is no power levels in fairy tail.

i wonder, have you correctly predicted anything in fairy tail or do you have 100% track record on being wrong every fuking time

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It’s funny how people would believe laxus statements but wouldn’t believe kirin statements lol selective bias

what statements are you referring to

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Natsu doesnt do better against Suzaku "bEcAusE ReMAtcH". He did better against a Suzaku because he trained and developed a fire dragon king scales. These scales are harder than regular dragon scales. Erza doesnt have an armors tougher than dragon scales. You can maybe argue that her katana can cut dragon scales when she pours all of her magic into an attack, and this might be enough to hold up against Suzaku's attacks. But this leaves 2 glaring issues.

1) Erza has to go all out just to match Suzaku. The attacks that Suzaku used to oneshot Erza were casual.

2) Benisakura has repeated been stated to offer no defensive bonuses. If Erza gets hit during this, she has zero magic helping her defense.

This idea that Erza can just pour MP into her armours is to make them tougher is basically fanfiction. Her armours have never worked this way. When she fought Laxus, and he broke lightning empress, Erza concluded that defense was useless because Laxus could probably just break any armour she has. Meaning Erza probably doesnt have an armour worth using against anyone who hits harder than Laxus. Only benisakura has been stated to convert all of Erza's MP into attack power. It's the only thing here that has a realistic chance of not getting smashed, and only when Erza goes all out.

you are setting yourself up to be wrong again
just like natsu has figured something out for suzaku, most likely erza has too. or she never needed to (why must you always give erza short end of the stick)
fairy tail is not a complex manga

 

[LaGOAT]

i love your confidence and lack of self reflection
believes alverzec gray > alverzec erza
believes ds seal was a huge power up
believes erza had external magic power against laxus
believes bdsk will be too much for fairy tail
believes eileen to be one of the weakest ds and low tier dragon level

then later get pissed that mishma doesnt follow your thought process and claim there is no power levels in fairy tail.

i wonder, have you correctly predicted anything in fairy tail or do you have 100% track record on being wrong every fuking time

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what statements are you referring to

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you are setting yourself up to be wrong again
just like natsu has figured something out for suzaku, most likely erza has too. or she never needed to (why must you always give erza short end of the stick)
fairy tail is not a complex manga

Laxus statements vs erza
kirin statements vs laxus

 

[Ronin31]

By Kirin's statement, he didn't loose to Laxus and used only 10% of his power. Do you believe this arrogant one when he was put down to unconscious by Laxus' King Raiko ? Man, even Misaki who was destroyed in same way could accept her proper defeat.... Kirin is the most arrogant of the BDSK by far. He can proclaim he is invincible or the strongest, I don't trust a guy with such a mentality.

By analogy Laxus was same as Kirin until Fantasia then stopped being arrogant since after. He took lesson as experience to grow in his mentality.

So yes, I personally give more credit to Laxus here rather than Kirin, the arrogant one who didn't accept to loose and searched excuses.

 

[MyaHeart35]

Natsu doesnt do better against Suzaku "bEcAusE ReMAtcH". He did better against a Suzaku because he trained and developed a fire dragon king scales. These scales are harder than regular dragon scales. Erza doesnt have an armors tougher than dragon scales. You can maybe argue that her katana can cut dragon scales when she pours all of her magic into an attack, and this might be enough to hold up against Suzaku's attacks. But this leaves 2 glaring issues.

1) Erza has to go all out just to match Suzaku. The attacks that Suzaku used to oneshot Erza were casual.

2) Benisakura has repeated been stated to offer no defensive bonuses. If Erza gets hit during this, she has zero magic helping her defense.

This idea that Erza can just pour MP into her armours is to make them tougher is basically fanfiction. Her armours have never worked this way. When she fought Laxus, and he broke lightning empress, Erza concluded that defense was useless because Laxus could probably just break any armour she has. Meaning Erza probably doesnt have an armour worth using against anyone who hits harder than Laxus. Only benisakura has been stated to convert all of Erza's MP into attack power. It's the only thing here that has a realistic chance of not getting smashed, and only when Erza goes all out.

How is Erza pulling out one of her weakest swords is her going all out. Erza wasn't expecting Suzaku attack to be so strong thats why she didn't pour any magic into her swords.

Oh and can you answer this why was Erza lighting empress armor was destroyed by basic laxus in one punch who had 50% lightning resistance BUT...
Erza's heaven wheel armor tied with Red Lightning Laxus's strongest attack when she stops holding back.

Misaki already compared Kirin and Erza when them 2 are the only ones who forced her to get serious. It's canonically Miskai > Suzaku.
Especially since the strongest was compared to Gildarts and so happens another was one but the other 2 wasn't.
Misaki already hinted Erza > Kirin when she overpowered her dimension.
Heaven wheel is one of her weakest armors she always uses at the start of the fight.

How do y'all think a Laxus vs Misaki fight would go?
Laxus doesn't have the pain tolerance that's Erza has. Meaning he might go down just after 5 hours of damage.

Erza > Kirin/Misaki

Someone said Erza never go all out until the end of her fights and it's true.

It's Canonically stated if Erza fought Suzaku again she would win.

 

[LaGOAT]

By Kirin's statement, he didn't loose to Laxus and used only 10% of his power. Do you believe this arrogant one when he was put down to unconscious by Laxus' King Raiko ? Man, even Misaki who was destroyed in same way could accept her proper defeat.... Kirin is the most arrogant of the BDSK by far. He can proclaim he is invincible or the strongest, I don't trust a guy with such a mentality.

By analogy Laxus was same as Kirin until Fantasia then stopped being arrogant since after. He took lesson as experience to grow in his mentality.

So yes, I personally give more credit to Laxus here rather than Kirin, the arrogant one who didn't accept to loose and searched excuses.

Except when did kirin said he was using 10% of his power? sounds like ur making stuff up. Just because someone claims to be the strongest doesn’t mean they are invincible. By ur logic do u believe acnologia was arrogant br he said he is the strongest.

except FF laxus knows that he isn’t strongest in the guild hence why when mystogan mentioned gildartz he couldn’t straight up say he was stronger than him he knows his limits

misaki said that she use her strongest power to spar with kirin that doesn’t prove kirin was his Strongest move.

I understand why u take laxus statements because he fighting ur favorite character. Like I said you pick and choose when statements suit your fav

 

[FireIce]

Except when did kirin said he was using 10% of his power? sounds like ur making stuff up.

Spoiler

 

[bugen]

Except when did kirin said he was using 10% of his power? sounds like ur making stuff up. Just because someone claims to be the strongest doesn’t mean they are invincible. By ur logic do u believe acnologia was arrogant br he said he is the strongest.

except FF laxus knows that he isn’t strongest in the guild hence why when mystogan mentioned gildartz he couldn’t straight up say he was stronger than him he knows his limits

misaki said that she use her strongest power to spar with kirin that doesn’t prove kirin have going all out.

I understand why u take laxus statements because he fighting ur favorite character. Like I said you pick and choose when statements suit your fav

He is saying that he does not trust the words of Kirin, a character who lies to appear better, that is, he is a liar when he cares, like when he says not to lose.

Instead Misaki admits to losing and that Erza is more powerful than her, Misaki is honest.

Talking about favoritism is very hypocritical coming from those who favor Laxus.

There are users in this forum who, regardless of each other's favorite character, see things from the manga and do not invent things for the benefit of the favorite character.

Ronin is a loyal user who does not favor his favorite character, you who read should know that.

With these types of comments you have fallen very low, very very low, I thought you were better than this.

They always look for excuses with character statements, they are only interested in the statement that suits each one, for example that Laxus and Kirin are the strongest contenders, but curiously they are not interested in the statement that the BDSK are on the same level, or which Kirin and Misaki are Gildarts level, or that Laxus and Erza were double KO, very cowardly.

I think we should all know that there are several levels at the same level, that is, within equality (=) there is the possibility of (>=), but always equality.

Misaki saying that she used a technique only used in training with Kirin only means that Erza made her go seriously, and that was a long time ago, just read.
It is not said at any time what happened in that training, but both are at the same level, if Kirin is superior, it is only (>=), no (>) no (>>) no (>>>) as many want to put.

And Erza is canonically > Misaki, that should put her higher than Kirin.

 

[LaGOAT]

He is saying that he does not trust the words of Kirin, a character who lies to appear better, that is, he is a liar when he cares, like when he says not to lose.

Instead Misaki admits to losing and that Erza is more powerful than her, Misaki is honest.

Talking about favoritism is very hypocritical coming from those who favor Laxus.

There are users in this forum who, regardless of each other's favorite character, see things from the manga and do not invent things for the benefit of the favorite character.

Ronin is a loyal user who does not favor his favorite character, you who read should know that.

With these types of comments you have fallen very low, very very low, I thought you were better than this.

They always look for excuses with character statements, they are only interested in the statement that suits each one, for example that Laxus and Kirin are the strongest contenders, but curiously they are not interested in the statement that the BDSK are on the same level, or which Kirin and Misaki are Gildarts level, or that Laxus and Erza were double KO, very cowardly.

I think we should all know that there are several levels at the same level, that is, within equality (=) there is the possibility of (>=), but always equality.

Misaki saying that she used a technique only used in training with Kirin only means that Erza made her go seriously, and that was a long time ago, just read.
It is not said at any time what happened in that training, but both are at the same level, if Kirin is superior, it is only (>=), no (>) no (>>) no (>>>) as many want to put.

And Erza is canonically > Misaki, that should put her higher than Kirin.

Thanks to @FireIce I didn’t remember that quote but I guess he did say that he also make excuses for misaki losing to erza. Just means he a sore loser.

Except that when I defend laxus I usually go with facts and I’m unbiased example him losing to df natsu but you and the others believe that erza can beat him which is crazy favoritism.

I don’t know lately yall think erza is on God tier I don’t know where is that coming from.

and I’m saying that misaki using her strongest move to spar with kirin doesn’t-mean that kirin was going all out either how do you know he also was going all out when sparring with her??

My guy I said this several time myself same tier=\=same lvl

Can u show me prove that any1 saying kirin is way stronger than misaki? People are just saying that kirin is the strongest Ur just prove my point that u think kirin might be slightly stronger than misaki by saying >= >= isn’t the same as =.

idc if u think erza>kirin doesn’t change the fact that currently laxus Is stronger erza especially when he got a new power up erza “tied” with a nerf laxus.

 

[Darklord#10]

Can u show me prove that any1 saying kirin is way stronger than misaki? People are just saying that kirin is the strongest Ur just prove my point that u think kirin might be slightly stronger than misaki by saying >= >= isn’t the same as =.

Bro there's nothing like slightly stronger than. Kirin is stronger than Misaki, that's all there is to it. Don't try arguing with Erza fans I literally said that they suffer from main character syndrome. This just proves my point even more. Only Erza fans think gildarts level opponents exist if we're being real here gildarts level opponents don't really exist well that's for me, but they want to wank her to be stronger than gildarts and laxus. Like kirin literally curbstomp laxus, Misaki couldn't do it to Erza but in there head it's must just be that Misaki and erza are stronger kirin and laxus. They also claim that Erza was bdsk level before the sequel even started. No use trying to argue with them my friend they're clearly delusional

 

[bugen]

Thanks to @FireIce I didn’t remember that quote but I guess he did say that he also make excuses for misaki losing to erza. Just means he a sore loser.

Except that when I defend laxus I usually go with facts and I’m unbiased example him losing to df natsu but you and the others believe that erza can beat him which is crazy favoritism.

I don’t know lately yall think erza is on God tier I don’t know where is that coming from.

and I’m saying that misaki using her strongest move to spar with kirin doesn’t-mean that kirin was going all out either how do you know he also was going all out when sparring with her??

My guy I said this several time myself same tier=\=same lvl

Can u show me prove that any1 saying kirin is way stronger than misaki? People are just saying that kirin is the strongest Ur just prove my point that u think kirin might be slightly stronger than misaki by saying >= >= isn’t the same as =.

idc if u think erza>kirin doesn’t change the fact that currently laxus Is stronger erza especially when he got a new power up erza “tied” with a nerf laxus.

I see that you do not read well what I put.

but there are people who put Suzaku >>>> than others, for example.

It seems to me that you have never put >= Erza and Laxus, you put Laxus>Erza, or even from I seem to read in previous comments put imply that Kirin>Misaki, even Kirin>Suzaku>Misaki, turning this into Kirin>>Misaki, Leaving equality on the ground.

The fact is that Erza has defeated and surpassed Misaki, an equal to Kirin and Suzaku.
Laxus has done the same, although to achieve it he obtained a power to achieve it.
Once again they are at the same level, it has always been like that, I can't find > in the logic with them, because Mashima has no doubts.

What do you say about putting Erza at god levels, do you know how to differentiate my few posts that I do?

Do you know what is Erza POF or Natsu POF?

Erza POF is Erza vs Irene dragon, Natsu POF is invincible against anything, Erza and no one can beat Natsu POF.

I don't know what you mean by god levels, I really don't know.

Although here I do read that Suzaku is god level for defeating a Selene who allowed himself to be won, turning Suzaku into>>>>>>>>>>>all the other BDSKs, although you are not.

 

[LaGOAT]

I see that you do not read well what I put.

but there are people who put Suzaku >>>> than others, for example.

It seems to me that you have never put >= Erza and Laxus, you put Laxus>Erza, or even from I seem to read in previous comments put imply that Kirin>Misaki, even Kirin>Suzaku>Misaki, turning this into Kirin>>Misaki, Leaving equality on the ground.

The fact is that Erza has defeated and surpassed Misaki, an equal to Kirin and Suzaku.
Laxus has done the same, although to achieve it he obtained a power to achieve it.
Once again they are at the same level, it has always been like that, I can't find > in the logic with them, because Mashima has no doubts.

What do you say about putting Erza at god levels, do you know how to differentiate my few posts that I do?

Do you know what is Erza POF or Natsu POF?

Erza POF is Erza vs Irene dragon, Natsu POF is invincible against anything, Erza and no one can beat Natsu POF.

I don't know what you mean by god levels, I really don't know.

Although here I do read that Suzaku is god level for defeating a Selene who allowed himself to be won, turning Suzaku into>>>>>>>>>>>all the other BDSKs, although you are not.

No I understand you don’t understand what I’m saying lol

my original argument is that you guys pick and choose when statements suit ur fav and I also said that statement can be accurate if the feats and the portrayal (sometimes) don’t contradict.

Yes I have said laxus>erza in the past and I still do it just that I know think that laxus is slightly stronger to me if ur slightly stronger is still means your stronger maybe u didn’t understand that. It’s either = or >.

I already said that I think suzuku is weaker than erza so I don’t know why u bringing to me I disagree with that but most of us agree laxus>erza. And those times when I said suzaku>misaki was because we didn’t know their Feats yet at time. things changes as we get new chapters

no Mashima have shown and use other characters statements to prove that laxus>erza u just denying it. examples the gmg character chart,statements happy statement (beginning of the original series ) gray and hades statements (laxus being compare to Gildartz never erza) laxus fighting stronger opponents than erza (when he shows up) erza pikachu face vs hades (also had help from team natsu just to land one hit on hades) laxus almost oneshots/heavily injured ajeel august statement when saving him. While erza had a hard time with him. Team natsu had a hard time fighting diabolos trio the first time when laxus was able to casually beat all 3 his first time. I can go on and on. The only time u can argue that they might be “equal”is when they fought And once again laxus has another power up to prove he stronger.

Because erza strongest pof vs Irene and she had help with Wendy isnt beating df natsu + ignia flames + ignia flames. Do u think Irene>zeref? If not then she isn’t gonna do the same thing with natsu did to zeref.

also from ur owns words laxus>=erza PROVES u think laxus might be slightly stronger than erza not the other way around it so I don’t know why you arguing this.

 

[Darklord#10]

I use to respect Ronin to. Until he said Erza ties against dragon force natsu. My respect for him wasn't the same as it was. It went down. Suzaku just has better feats than Misaki. He's feats are just better than hers. People thinking he is stronger than Misaki aren't wrong for thinking like that. The one who is wrong is the author for hyping up an enemy but failing to deliver. You could show any reasonable power scaler suzaku's feat and they'll say he is stronger. It's the author's fault for just giving out random statements. In this sequel once a character is being referred to as "strong as a certain character or stronger than certain character" it's a bad thing because the author will just use it as an excuse not to show why said character is as strong as that character. Look at how the dragon gods have been defeated and they were supposed to be acnologia tier. Lmao. All in all power scaling is almost nigh irrelevant in this sequel. Mira not being surpassed is prove of this.

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laxus almost oneshots/heavily injured ajeel august statement when saving him.

Exactly this. Like remove her fluke feat against Eileen she literally has nothing on laxus.