Didn't Roger get the One Piece, but he couldn't do much because it was either not the right time (likely knew about Neptune) and/or because he was dying?
Well 10 to be born just means the person was born 10 years after that flashback. So basically the person would need to reach the age of 15 before they were ready to start doing whatever it is that's supposed to happen.didn't read all the posts but the one above is interesting 10 to be born, 15 to grow. That'll mean 25 years... But how is that Luffy? shouldn't that person by 15 years old? or is me missing my morning joe affecting my thinking.
They don't really say it's Luffy.The second Seovereign is Luffy. Oda had put it right there in plain sight.
Read chapter 626 -the Fishmen Island legend that Queen Otihme states that a person be born with the power to guide shirahoshi, which is Luffy power to make allies.
https://tcbscans.com/chapters/1079/one-piece-chapter-626-review-1685612419
Chapter 647 reveals Luffy is that person from who othime and the fishmen island legend was talking about
One Piece Chapter 647 | TCB Scans
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Chapter 649- Neptune Talks about somebody joyboy 800 years ago saying someone(Luufy) wil fulfill his promise in the future.
https://tcbscans.com/chapters/1102/one-piece-chapter-649-review-1685612419
Chapter 654- The Whales are happy after Shirahoshi and Luffy have met, just as the seakings said would happen in Roger's flashback.
https://tcbscans.com/chapters/1108/one-piece-chapter-654-review-1685612419
Chapter 968- The Seakings talk about the two sovereigns being born in the future meeting and the whales being happy
https://tcbscans.com/chapters/113/one-piece-chapter-968-review-1685612418
Chapter 626 directly states that the births of the sovereign are supposed to match. And Momo was already born so he is already disqualified from being the sovereign. Chapter 968They say "and another, in a distant sea.. the whales are delighted in anticipation". As far as we know the whales resident in the new world which is where years later the strawhats met them as they exited fishman island. Roger and oden hearing the sea kings should have happened some 26 years ago. Ten years after that should be around the time shirahoshi was born. I don't think the births of both sovereigns are necessarily supposed to match though. Given that momonosuke and the whales reside in the same sea I would guess its him that the whales are expecting. So the meeting in question would be between momonosuke and shirahoshi. It also doesn't really fit for luffy and joyboy to be sovereigns.
It'll be funny if it turns out to be Usopp.... but you know Shounen and the japanese audience love the story of destiny. Its got to be Luffy if even they dont say so.They don't really say it's Luffy.
In fact, the Sea Kings said they helped Luffy merely because Shirahoshi asked them.
Didn't the talk between Rayleigh and the Straw Hats makes it clear the One Piece is not the void century?The manga already tells us what the One Piece is, it's the Void Century and the goal of knowing about the Void Century is to solve the issue of slavery, racism and dictatorships in order to bring about freedom for all.
Rayleigh never said what it was or wasn't.Didn't the talk between Rayleigh and the Straw Hats makes it clear the One Piece is not the void century?
Rayleigh confirmed he know the void century, but a big deal was made about Usopp asking if the One Piece was even real or not later
There is a giant Strawhat in Mary Geoise, that would fit someone who would also fit onto the Empty Throne. And the Sun is missing from the naming pattern of Imu Nerona, Gorosei, Ancient Weapons and Pangea Castle. Planets orbit around the Sun, not the moon.It also doesn't really fit for luffy and joyboy to be sovereigns.
No. This is not the One Piece. The Manga indeed has given it away multiple times, but you cannot reach that from the text.The manga already tells us what the One Piece is, it's the Void Century and the goal of knowing about the Void Century is to solve the issue of slavery, racism and dictatorships in order to bring about freedom for all.
To be fair, Luffy is one of those "selfish bums with no political agenda". He's a good dude, but his whole view of being a pirate is being able to do what he wants. We're just lucky that what he wants to be is a good dude.There is a giant Strawhat in Mary Geoise, that would fit someone who would also fit onto the Empty Throne. And the Sun is missing from the naming pattern of Imu Nerona, Gorosei, Ancient Weapons and Pangea Castle. Planets orbit around the Sun, not the moon.
However, Luffy is not a giant, his hair isn't white and his eyebrows don't curl. Gear Five is also not the final power-up, Gear "R" is.
Oda also said around the time Wano Arc was conceptualized, that he does not like men wearing white. Luffy is very unlikely to be the descendant of that person.
We know Joyboy is someone who fucked up, someone who broke a certain promise, and once you realize Nika's description fits Sanji much more than it does Luffy, and the fact that Oda shoved in a shit ton of weddings... including one for Nami, who was engaged to a "King" (with Sanji's powers, similar visuals and a bad take on his habits), and who looks like Shirahoshi, or rather the other way around...
No. This is not the One Piece. The Manga indeed has given it away multiple times, but you cannot reach that from the text.
What you can infer from the text though is that the revelation of a true history wouldn't change a damn thing. The Tenryubito are not popular at all, but most people have wealthy lives and are certainly not bothered by geopolitics, and those who are not wealthy lack the ressources to do anything.
There is already quite a successful uprising going on though, no One Piece needed.
The Pirates who reject the WG, most of them are selfish bums without a political agenda, and those shown to have one like Big Mom or Crocodile crave for power for themselves.
Pirates also create dictatorship, racism and tyranny all on their own, this isn't just coming from the WG, so why would the revelation of an ancient crime change anything about that? You cannot solve these problems with a story at all.
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As we usually do, I agree with you on the broad strokes: One Piece is the "missing piece of history" all in one place. As for D, all we know is that they are called "Enemy of God" or something along those lines, implying they are enemies of the Celestial Dragons, or at least their ancestors were. It's possible that you might need to be connected to that kingdom to get the full story, but there's no actual evidence of that. I think they are the families of nobility in that Ancient Kingdom, or possibly families of great military power within the kingdom, seeing as how every D we've run into has been strong.Roger found the One Piece, not sure why this is even a theory.
What Roger didn't do is fulfil the One Piece.
The manga already tells us what the One Piece is, it's the Void Century and the goal of knowing about the Void Century is to solve the issue of slavery, racism and dictatorships in order to bring about freedom for all.
Roger couldn't fulfil One Piece BECAUSE:
If anything, they key to One Piece is being a D which is why the WG have hunted down D members and killed them off. Roger gave birth to Ace because thought he'd be chosen.
- Poseidon wasn't around during his era, she wasn't born and wouldn't unlock her powers until 20 years later. Poseidon is needed to move Noah supposedly to get the Fishmen to the surface.
- Someone had to be born to interact with Poseidon which is why Roger decided to have a Kid in hopes he'd be the one... turns out it was Luffy.
- Someone was also needed to interpret the Poneglyph to Luffy which should have been Momonosuke, but Robin now plays that role.
- Also, someone to control Zunisha who is related to Pluton and opening Wano's borders.
When Roger spoke to Whitebeard in his final days, he spoke about the significance of the D initial which is why... the WG changed Gol D to Gold because the D initial is important in terms of fulfilling the One Piece. It's why they're regarded as God's greatest enemies.
I find this theory about weapons and swords and contrived numbers convoluted, arbitrary and pretty much unfounded. If one just follows the evidence, it pretty much explains itself and is simple.
The texts literally tell us.No. This is not the One Piece. The Manga indeed has given it away multiple times, but you cannot reach that from the text.
You can if you read the story, it's been pretty much stated multiple times.Pirates also create dictatorship, racism and tyranny all on their own, this isn't just coming from the WG, so why would the revelation of an ancient crime change anything about that? You cannot solve these problems with a story at all.
Like that one time at sky island when the strawhats went "fuck it, we are pirates" and attempted to rob the skypeians of their cultural heritage. Which played ofr laughs when they attempted to gift the strawhats a comical amount of gold in the middle of a daring escape..To be fair, Luffy is one of those "selfish bums with no political agenda". He's a good dude, but his whole view of being a pirate is being able to do what he wants. We're just lucky that what he wants to be is a good dude.
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The people of D are the only people called the enemies of god.As we usually do, I agree with you on the broad strokes: One Piece is the "missing piece of history" all in one place. As for D, all we know is that they are called "Enemy of God" or something along those lines, implying they are enemies of the Celestial Dragons, or at least their ancestors were. It's possible that you might need to be connected to that kingdom to get the full story, but there's no actual evidence of that. I think they are the families of nobility in that Ancient Kingdom, or possibly families of great military power within the kingdom, seeing as how every D we've run into has been strong.
No, it has always been your inference that the Riu Poneplyph is the One Piece.The texts literally tell us.
Tamago said:
- 4 Road Ponegylphs lead to Laughtale.
- Where the REAL PONEGLPYHS resides which are the 9 or so Poneglyphs that detail the history of the world that the WG want hidden as well as Ancient Weapons.
Even Whitebeard pretty much said it, he said when One Piece is found, that person who finds it will carry the weight of history on his shoulder. History is on the poneglyphs.
EVEYTHING the WG does is to stop people from finding the history, so we know for sure One Piece are the Poneglyphs carrying the history. Everything they do is to oppose this.
It isn't for me, because I know what it is, what must be done and what will happen thenNo way a story can have 1000+ chapters and you really think the story doesn't give us enough information to know what One Piece is, at this point, I don't see how it's still a question.
Yes, and all have been missed.There are tonnes of hints and evidence regarding what One Piece is
No one thinks that, and only the top 50 countries get to participate in global politics. They are all aware they are under aristocratic rule based on bloodright, and that's the way most of them govern themselves, too.all 170 countries think this is a Democratic system where they all contribute in how the world runs when in reality, it's a charade.
Do you mean around this forum or in the whole wide world?I am the only one though that knows what it is.
It is.The One Piece is detailled on the Riu Poneglyph, but it is not the history itself.
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Man, just look up the wikia at least.No one thinks that, and only the top 50 countries get to participate in global politics.
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This is a ridiculous statement.You cannot find this in the text, at least not when analyzing it like a linguist, because that is not how you should read a comic in the first place.
Honestly, you are the only one who think the One Piece isn't some kind of task, ever since Fishman Island at least.It is.
You do realise the 4 Road Poneglyphs lead to the Rio = Meaning REAL Poneglyphs which have the true history?
That's what Robin is looking to read.
The entire story is literally about covering up history, lol.
Man, read the comment properly at least.Man, just look up the wikia at least.
170 countries are part of the WG.
50 Paricipate in the Reverie, doesn't mean there aren't 170 allied nations.
Top out of what? I never denied there being 170 countries, this is a reply to your comment and can only be understood as such.No one thinks that, and only the top 50 countries get to participate in global politics.
Yeah but you are treating it like a novel, you are pretty much ignoring the pictures.This is a ridiculous statement.
A comic is basically a story with pictures.
To say you shouldn't find all the information you need within a story, and more so, 1 with 1,000 chapters is absurd.
You know what, I'll call it agree to disagree, I can't argue with you because your reasoning is such that we might as well be speaking in different languages, lol.
Well, I certainly don't think I've found an answer on what the One Piece is, and my most exaggerated guess would probably be something like Galactical Peace, but this type of thought scares me... I still can't imagine the cosmology/astrology inspiration to just shift gears like that, so I'll leave that sort of stuff up in the "make your craziest, wildest guess" shelf.We know Joyboy is someone who fucked up, someone who broke a certain promise, and once you realize Nika's description fits Sanji much more than it does Luffy, and the fact that Oda shoved in a shit ton of weddings... including one for Nami, who was engaged to a "King" (with Sanji's powers, similar visuals and a bad take on his habits), and who looks like Shirahoshi, or rather the other way around...
That's a bummer.I find this theory about weapons and swords and contrived numbers convoluted, arbitrary and pretty much unfounded. If one just follows the evidence, it pretty much explains itself and is simple.
Well, Usopp and Buggy do have a lot in common, and keep failing upwards ... is he not "God" Usopp?It'll be funny if it turns out to be Usopp
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