Bismarck is actually one of the strongest players without any gimmick, auras, or kijins.
Just Pure Base Tennis.
So Duke's Kijin will be a problem.
Without Kijin, Bismarck takes this easily.
But Bismarck will need to handle Duke's Buddha Kijin with Duke Homerun and Buster.
Bismarck could probably use Spinless sway to seal those moves.
On the other hand,
There is no way Duke can return Bismarck's Kick Serve. Tanegashima is a tier ahead of Duke in terms of defending including defending special serves. But even Tane can't return it 2 or 3 times in a row.
I always wanted to ask this.
How does Bismarck's Perception Works?
How the hell can he return void and invisible ball? His perception can felt where it is?
HOWEVER,
Will perception even a factor against Duke who used Direct Kijin and Power than Trickery?.
Bismarck is actually one of the strongest players without any gimmick, auras, or kijins.
Just Pure Base Tennis.
So Duke's Kijin will be a problem.
Without Kijin, Bismarck takes this easily.
But Bismarck will need to handle Duke's Buddha Kijin with Duke Homerun and Buster.
Bismarck could probably use Spinless sway to seal those moves.
On the other hand,
There is no way Duke can return Bismarck's Kick Serve. Tanegashima is a tier ahead of Duke in terms of defending including defending special serves. But even Tane can't return it 2 or 3 times in a row.
I always wanted to ask this.
How does Bismarck's Perception Works?
How the hell can he return void and invisible ball? His perception can felt where it is?
HOWEVER,
Will perception even a factor against Duke who used Direct Kijin and Power than Trickery?.
PS: I still go with Bismarck due to portrayal.
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Wow. I didn't know Bismarck and Duke have the same playstyle. Lmao.
Aggressive Baseliner????
Anyways, We all know All Around are the best playstyle. And the playstyle of the best players
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Yes. That kinda Made Duke and Fuji bad.
Because Bismarck was soloing them.
One can argue that Duke and Fuji are not playing at their full strength though. But still.
He did. He used the Spinless Swayball so that Duke wouldn't be able to activate the Homerun through the SSS.
By negating it altogether he doesn't need to develop a gameplay against it like Tokugawa did, making Duke Bunt's threat much less significant (and with that, the Buster).
There is no way Duke can return Bismarck's Kick Serve. Tanegashima is a tier ahead of Duke in terms of defending including defending special serves. But even Tane can't return it 2 or 3 times in a row.
I always wanted to ask this.
How does Bismarck's Perception Works?
How the hell can he return void and invisible ball? His perception can felt where it is?
HOWEVER,
Will perception even a factor against Duke who used Direct Kijin and Power than Trickery?.
PS: I still go with Bismarck due to portrayal.
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Wow. I didn't know Bismarck and Duke have the same playstyle. Lmao.
Aggressive Baseliner????
Anyways, We all know All Around are the best playstyle. And the playstyle of the best players
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Yes. That kinda Made Duke and Fuji bad.
Because Bismarck was soloing them.
One can argue that Duke and Fuji are not playing at their full strength though. But still.
At some point the Japanese players started returning Bismarck's serves since we saw them play those points, so the serve isn't infallible. But yeah he always managed to keep his service games, one way or the other.
Bismarck's profile says his defense is just that good and he can "return any ball". The dives he made to return Duke Bunt and Void make me think his play-style is kind of like Akutsu's and he can score from pretty much any angle (but instead of being a raw prospect he has a ton of experience and, added to his perception, allows him to make quick judgement on an elite level). He never returned an invisible ball, though, did he?
To me the match up relies on Duke's Ki jin being as good as Tanegashima's Ultimate Void or not, with the extra possibility that Bismarck can die if he lets his guard down (though, as I addressed, Spinless Swayball should lower the odds of this happening marginally).
All rounder =/= best, it's just different styles. Konomi fell into that trap in OG PoT and made almost every high tier player an All Rounder. But he sort of fixed that in NPoT (Bismarck is an AB, Ralph is a Counter Puncher, Amadeus is a Nadal clone and has his height, weight, preferred hand and style, etc).
It's kinda funny since Bismarck winning 4 games playing doubles alone made no sense in the first place, then in his very next match the same happens and we are explained how those points are instant Ls.
I think Konomi often has trouble showing what such a difference in Power can make, and nowadays just kills people to do so. We don't get many Power vs not Power encounters (and a ton of them are off-screened). Back in OG PoT there's some good examples, though.
For instance, Taka overwhelmed Kaidou with his Power and made him miss the court with his return in the attack vs defense training. Despite the fact that Kaidou had defeated Seigaku's S3 (Inui) and the fact that Taka is constantly seen as a burden in the team. Against Hyotei, despite Ryoma, Fuji and Tezuka being without a doubt their best players, it was said that only Taka and Momo could hand Kabaji's Power (I assume it was following this logic). Most notably, Sanada broke the Tezuka Zone with good old Fire like a caveman.
He did. He used the Spinless Swayball so that Duke wouldn't be able to activate the Homerun through the SSS.
By negating it altogether he doesn't need to develop a gameplay against it like Tokugawa did, making Duke Bunt's threat much less significant (and with that, the Buster).
At some point the Japanese players started returning Bismarck's serves since we saw them play those points, so the serve isn't infallible. But yeah he always managed to keep his service games, one way or the other.
Bismarck's profile says his defense is just that good and he can "return any ball". The dives he made to return Duke Bunt and Void make me think his play-style is kind of like Akutsu's and he can score from pretty much any angle (but instead of being a raw prospect he has a ton of experience and, added to his perception, allows him to make quick judgement on an elite level). He never returned an invisible ball, though, did he?
To me the match up relies on Duke's Ki jin being as good as Tanegashima's Ultimate Void or not, with the extra possibility that Bismarck can die if he lets his guard down (though, as I addressed, Spinless Swayball should lower the odds of this happening marginally).
All rounder =/= best, it's just different styles. Konomi fell into that trap in OG PoT and made almost every high tier player an All Rounder. But he sort of fixed that in NPoT (Bismarck is an AB, Ralph is a Counter Puncher, Amadeus is a Nadal clone and has his height, weight, preferred hand and style, etc).
It's kinda funny since Bismarck winning 4 games playing doubles alone made no sense in the first place, then in his very next match the same happens and we are explained how those points are instant Ls.
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I think Konomi often has trouble showing what such a difference in Power can make, and nowadays just kills people to do so. We don't get many Power vs not Power encounters (and a ton of them are off-screened). Back in OG PoT there's some good examples, though.
For instance, Taka overwhelmed Kaidou with his Power and made him miss the court with his return in the attack vs defense training. Despite the fact that Kaidou had defeated Seigaku's S3 (Inui) and the fact that Taka is constantly seen as a burden in the team. Against Hyotei, despite Ryoma, Fuji and Tezuka being without a doubt their best players, it was said that only Taka and Momo could hand Kabaji's Power (I assume it was following this logic). Most notably, Sanada broke the Tezuka Zone with good old Fire like a caveman.
He did. He used the Spinless Swayball so that Duke wouldn't be able to activate the Homerun through the SSS.
By negating it altogether he doesn't need to develop a gameplay against it like Tokugawa did, making Duke Bunt's threat much less significant (and with that, the Buster).
At some point the Japanese players started returning Bismarck's serves since we saw them play those points, so the serve isn't infallible. But yeah he always managed to keep his service games, one way or the other.
Bismarck's profile says his defense is just that good and he can "return any ball". The dives he made to return Duke Bunt and Void make me think his play-style is kind of like Akutsu's and he can score from pretty much any angle (but instead of being a raw prospect he has a ton of experience and, added to his perception, allows him to make quick judgement on an elite level). He never returned an invisible ball, though, did he?
To me the match up relies on Duke's Ki jin being as good as Tanegashima's Ultimate Void or not, with the extra possibility that Bismarck can die if he lets his guard down (though, as I addressed, Spinless Swayball should lower the odds of this happening marginally).
All rounder =/= best, it's just different styles. Konomi fell into that trap in OG PoT and made almost every high tier player an All Rounder. But he sort of fixed that in NPoT (Bismarck is an AB, Ralph is a Counter Puncher, Amadeus is a Nadal clone and has his height, weight, preferred hand and style, etc).
It's kinda funny since Bismarck winning 4 games playing doubles alone made no sense in the first place, then in his very next match the same happens and we are explained how those points are instant Ls.
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I think Konomi often has trouble showing what such a difference in Power can make, and nowadays just kills people to do so. We don't get many Power vs not Power encounters (and a ton of them are off-screened). Back in OG PoT there's some good examples, though.
For instance, Taka overwhelmed Kaidou with his Power and made him miss the court with his return in the attack vs defense training. Despite the fact that Kaidou had defeated Seigaku's S3 (Inui) and the fact that Taka is constantly seen as a burden in the team. Against Hyotei, despite Ryoma, Fuji and Tezuka being without a doubt their best players, it was said that only Taka and Momo could hand Kabaji's Power (I assume it was following this logic). Most notably, Sanada broke the Tezuka Zone with good old Fire like a caveman.
Well, I cant remember Bismarck using Kick Serves in the 3rd set. Maybe it was off screeened.
Iirc, Bismarck was able to barely returning Tane's Voids in the 3rd Set, but Akaya is there to return it with his attack Mode. So, it is like a 2 V 1. Since Siegfried was useless in that early part of 3rd set. Siegfried even gave up before Volk shouted on him. Lol
My point is Bismarck was able to dive and barely returning Tane's Void. But Akaya is there to wait for it and return. If it is 1 V 1 between Bismarck and Tanegashima. We saw Bismarck Won because Tane cant reach the lob Bismarck Did against The Void.
He did. He used the Spinless Swayball so that Duke wouldn't be able to activate the Homerun through the SSS.
By negating it altogether he doesn't need to develop a gameplay against it like Tokugawa did, making Duke Bunt's threat much less significant (and with that, the Buster).
At some point the Japanese players started returning Bismarck's serves since we saw them play those points, so the serve isn't infallible. But yeah he always managed to keep his service games, one way or the other.
Bismarck's profile says his defense is just that good and he can "return any ball". The dives he made to return Duke Bunt and Void make me think his play-style is kind of like Akutsu's and he can score from pretty much any angle (but instead of being a raw prospect he has a ton of experience and, added to his perception, allows him to make quick judgement on an elite level). He never returned an invisible ball, though, did he?
To me the match up relies on Duke's Ki jin being as good as Tanegashima's Ultimate Void or not, with the extra possibility that Bismarck can die if he lets his guard down (though, as I addressed, Spinless Swayball should lower the odds of this happening marginally).
All rounder =/= best, it's just different styles. Konomi fell into that trap in OG PoT and made almost every high tier player an All Rounder. But he sort of fixed that in NPoT (Bismarck is an AB, Ralph is a Counter Puncher, Amadeus is a Nadal clone and has his height, weight, preferred hand and style, etc).
It's kinda funny since Bismarck winning 4 games playing doubles alone made no sense in the first place, then in his very next match the same happens and we are explained how those points are instant Ls.
--- Double Post Merged, ---
I think Konomi often has trouble showing what such a difference in Power can make, and nowadays just kills people to do so. We don't get many Power vs not Power encounters (and a ton of them are off-screened). Back in OG PoT there's some good examples, though.
For instance, Taka overwhelmed Kaidou with his Power and made him miss the court with his return in the attack vs defense training. Despite the fact that Kaidou had defeated Seigaku's S3 (Inui) and the fact that Taka is constantly seen as a burden in the team. Against Hyotei, despite Ryoma, Fuji and Tezuka being without a doubt their best players, it was said that only Taka and Momo could hand Kabaji's Power (I assume it was following this logic). Most notably, Sanada broke the Tezuka Zone with good old Fire like a caveman.
Bismarck, I don't think except Oni, Boss, Tokugawa, no any player can handles him, though I'd like to add Tane as honorable mention.
Duke is strong but even Byodoin choosed Tokugawa for final match, and if Oni wasn't injured still Tokugawa was his only choice.
I realizes that between G5, Byodoin the Boss, and Tokugawa are different from others.
Duke, Oni, Tane are in the same tier, in 10 matches they will be 6-4 but adding Tokugwa vs them 7-3 or 8-2 for Tokugawa. or 9-1)
That is the difference.
Now with Oni masterpiece to making his opponent strong, Q.P now is on top of Bismarck, and I think this time he can handle "Time Loop" of Monster Volk.
Atobe, he can't compete vs G5 (-2) with lacks of physical strenght.
Tezuka can beat Duke!?
Let's say Bismarck can negates all Duke's shot, do you think he sits there until the match ended?
Try to be dynamic about it.
Do we consider Duke has experienced?
Is he smart player that can overcome any situation?
I think he has!
When you put it that way, makes him more like a doll!
Though Bismarck will win vs Duke but more like 6-4.
He was with Boss!
Tezuka can beat Duke!?
Let's say Bismarck can negates all Duke's shot, do you think he sits there until the match ended?
Try to be dynamic about it.
Do we consider Duke has experienced?
Is he smart player that can overcome any situation?
I think he has!
When you put it that way, makes him more like a doll!
Though Bismarck will win vs Duke but more like 6-4.
He was with Boss!
The only way that makes me convinced is to see Tezuka or Atobe beat Duke in a match.
Yukimura can watch 1000 times of Tezuka having a match but never be as amazed as Duke!
Tezuka can beat Duke!?
Let's say Bismarck can negates all Duke's shot, do you think he sits there until the match ended?
Try to be dynamic about it.
Do we consider Duke has experienced?
Is he smart player that can overcome any situation?
I think he has!
When you put it that way, makes him more like a doll!
Though Bismarck will win vs Duke but more like 6-4.
He was with Boss!
Ryoga as a Jap or US rep was a HSer. Due to Spain schooling schedule he's fallen under MSer category. I think Tezuka, Romeo and Atobe can fight G5 HSers lower tiers such as Duke. But winning is another thing. I mean they could he even rally against Bismarck, QP, Tane, Oni, Zeus, Ralph but their chance of winning is low.
Amazing players, but from what I've seen I'd still give the edge to G5 HSers.
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Not related, but Who did Duke play against before facing Tokugawa?
Ryoga as a Jap or US rep was a HSer. Due to Spain schooling schedule he's fallen under MSer category. I think Tezuka, Romeo and Atobe can fight G5 HSers lower tiers such as Duke. But winning is another thing. I mean they could he even rally against Bismarck, QP, Tane, Oni, Zeus, Ralph but their chance of winning is low.
Amazing players, but from what I've seen I'd still give the edge to G5 HSers.
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Not related, but Who did Duke play against before facing Tokugawa?
Ryoga as a Jap or US rep was a HSer. Due to Spain schooling schedule he's fallen under MSer category. I think Tezuka, Romeo and Atobe can fight G5 HSers lower tiers such as Duke. But winning is another thing. I mean they could he even rally against Bismarck, QP, Tane, Oni, Zeus, Ralph but their chance of winning is low.
Amazing players, but from what I've seen I'd still give the edge to G5 HSers.
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Not related, but Who did Duke play against before facing Tokugawa?
Ryoga as a Jap or US rep was a HSer. Due to Spain schooling schedule he's fallen under MSer category. I think Tezuka, Romeo and Atobe can fight G5 HSers lower tiers such as Duke. But winning is another thing. I mean they could he even rally against Bismarck, QP, Tane, Oni, Zeus, Ralph but their chance of winning is low.
Amazing players, but from what I've seen I'd still give the edge to G5 HSers.
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Not related, but Who did Duke play against before facing Tokugawa?
I agree that the G5 member who is the easiest to beat (relatively) is Duke. That's why he is low tier G5.
I never argued Tezuka will beat Byo, Toku, Oni, and Tanegashima.
But Duke, I feel like there are winning chances for Tezuka. (And by extension Romeo/Atobe too)
Duke is the least Versatile among the G5. He is pure power with a little trick of duke bunt. But mostly he relies in power than technique.
So, it is more possible to outsmart or outtrick him compared to other G5.
Maybe, I am underestimating Duke. But yeah. He is very strong. I actually think he beats all Japan Top Msers in a 3 set match.
(Atobe only has chance in a 1 set match)
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