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[Ray Barracuda]

Number is obviously a factor when it comes to strength. But quality and quantity both matter. Adori is talented but she and Enne are in their own world. And Enne is not a Khun, Arie or Ha.

But the Khun, just like the Arie do not have many climbers, barely even a few and those stated to come from the bottom tier.


White is the only person we know from the Arie family other than Adori who climbed.


Same thing Ha family, the only people we know are Jinsung and Yuri.



Anyways, Enne is a product of two Irregulars, one being the most talented and powerful wave controller and the other being the second best.


She's literally the only person of her kind to exist after Baam himself, the most outlier of outliers to exist considering Gustang and Eurasia did not breed like rabbits.

 

[Lo Po Bia]

I'm not sure why people want it to be a "loop (?)". It's simply their strongest technique.

For example, Blossom-Traumerei-Gustang's case. Gustang is weaker than Traumerei because he can't handle the 3D disconnect by himself. Traumerei is weaker than Blossom because the 3D Disconnect was destroyed by a purple spark.
Do you believe that Gustang can counter that flame? So how can I believe that they can counter each other?

Also we're comparing who is stronger.
For example,
I think Yuri is stronger than Blossom meaning that even if Yurin can't destroy her flame, she can still block it and attack with a technique that Blossom can't block.
I think BM is weaker than Blossom meaning that even if he blocks her flame, he can't beat Blossom with his strongest technique.

Who is stronger includes attack and defense, even if it's a duel, it's still about whose attack is stronger.

(Note: I'm not saying that the purple flame is Blossom's strongest technique, and I don't know how strong Yurin and BM are.)

I just wanted to say that not everything it's about power, one of the best examples I can give is when Kinemon cut Kaido's Boro Breath, this generated a lot of controversy on the forum where I debated OP, there were comments like "how can this bastard who did nothing in Dressrosa, now he's cutting a special attack from a Yonko? Incoherence", when we know that Kinemon's main ability is to cut fire and that Kaido's attack is fire, characters stronger than Kinemon probably wouldn't be able to deal with that attack as easily, so Zoro learns Kinemon's technique and then uses it to cut Big Mom's Prometheus, made of fire. Let's suppose, Blossom fights Yurin, Blossom's attack destroys the entire area but somehow Yurin remains intact, then Yurin hits Blossom with some attack, it doesn't destroy anything around but manages to seriously injure Blossom, which would be the strongest attack? There's the destructive power itself and the pure power.

 

[Lonatian]

I just wanted to say that not everything it's about power, one of the best examples I can give is when Kinemon cut Kaido's Boro Breath, this generated a lot of controversy on the forum where I debated OP, there were comments like "how can this bastard who did nothing in Dressrosa, now he's cutting a special attack from a Yonko? Incoherence", when we know that Kinemon's main ability is to cut fire and that Kaido's attack is fire, characters stronger than Kinemon probably wouldn't be able to deal with that attack as easily, so Zoro learns Kinemon's technique and then uses it to cut Big Mom's Prometheus, made of fire. Let's suppose, Blossom fights Yurin, Blossom's attack destroys the entire area but somehow Yurin remains intact, then Yurin hits Blossom with some attack, it doesn't destroy anything around but manages to seriously injure Blossom, which would be the strongest attack? There's the destructive power itself and the pure power.

I don't really follow the OP but with your example his skill is simply fire cutting, so he can cut fire attacks. However, it's clearly a specific effect that targets a specific target.

That's not the case with ToG, the techniques are much more general in concept.
Traumerei's Disconnect/Rupture can disconnect from anything, even invisible things like illusions and spells.
Blossom's purple flame can burn any concept.
Basically the range of Blossom's technique effects is wider than Traumerei's. It's not as simple as using water to put out a fire, it's erasing the source of the fire.

In Gustang's case, he also can't destroy 2D Disconnect, but he can manage to dodge it. When Traumerei uses 3D Disconnect, Gustang is almost completely defeated. Gustang basically can't handle it on his own anymore.

Also, being stronger and defeating someone are different. To me, Traumerei is clearly stronger than Gustang, but Gustang could definitely defeat him with Blossom's spark.

The case you're talking about is like Yurin defeating Blossom with luck. It doesn't fit my view. Yurin has to be able to both defend against Blossom's strongest technique and use an offensive technique that Blossom can't block.

 

[Lo Po Bia]

I don't really follow the OP but with your example his skill is simply fire cutting, so he can cut fire attacks. However, it's clearly a specific effect that targets a specific target.

That's not the case with ToG, the techniques are much more general in concept.
Traumerei's Disconnect/Rupture can disconnect from anything, even invisible things like illusions and spells.
Blossom's purple flame can burn any concept.
Basically the range of Blossom's technique effects is wider than Traumerei's. It's not as simple as using water to put out a fire, it's erasing the source of the fire.

In Gustang's case, he also can't destroy 2D Disconnect, but he can manage to dodge it. When Traumerei uses 3D Disconnect, Gustang is almost completely defeated. Gustang basically can't handle it on his own anymore.

Also, being stronger and defeating someone are different. To me, Traumerei is clearly stronger than Gustang, but Gustang could definitely defeat him with Blossom's spark.

The case you're talking about is like Yurin defeating Blossom with luck. It doesn't fit my view. Yurin has to be able to both defend against Blossom's strongest technique and use an offensive technique that Blossom can't block.

You may be right, I think that in future battles between FH we will be able to see better, although we will probably not have the Blossom flames anymore, as for the main point of this post which is about Dumas I completely agree with you, the top 6 must certainly belong to the regents of the three strongest families.

 

[Demonspeed]

But the Khun, just like the Arie do not have many climbers, barely even a few and those stated to come from the bottom tier.

How do you know that? The story is Baam focused, we don't see everything that's happening and Eduan has tons of children. Current Regulars are also not the main force of a family, its Rankers are. Even so, we have seen more Khuns than any other members of the 10F besides PB and LPB because of the war.

We have only seen one, maybe two Hendo Lok but there are still a lot in the Tower.

White is the only person we know from the Arie family other than Adori who climbed.

Same thing Ha family, the only people we know are Jinsung and Yuri.[/QUOTE]

Characters we know =/= characters who exist. Plus we know they have a low numbers compared to the Khun. White is a fusion of 5 siblings.

By climbers do you mean Rankers? Because among the Khuns we have Hachuling, Royale Elliot, Asensio, Maschenny, Icardi etc. None of them have been called bottom tiers. In fact, Asensio, Maschenny and Icardi are exceptional since Data Eduan kept them and Royale Eliiot is a Floor Ruler.

Anyways, Enne is a product of two Irregulars, one being the most talented and powerful wave controller and the other being the second best.

So are Han and Yurin's twins. And yet, Yuri is the most talented of the Ha.

Dumas may be more talented than most members of the three families Khun, Arie and Ha.
But he cannot be more talented than the most talented members of those three families.
That's what I mean.

But why? For Arie, I might believe it considering how they are treated in the story. But why couldn't he be inherently more talented than the others? It's all about genetic lottery at the end of the day.

 

[Lonatian]

But why? For Arie, I might believe it considering how they are treated in the story. But why couldn't he be inherently more talented than the others? It's all about genetic lottery at the end of the day.

For you it's a lottery. For me it depends on their parents. I don't rate Gustang as highly as Hon, Eduan, and Yurin. There is no reason for me to believe that Dumas is a child of luck.

 

[Demonspeed]

For you it's a lottery. For me it depends on their parents. I don't rate Gustang as highly as Hon, Eduan, and Yurin. There is no reason for me to believe that Dumas is a child of luck.

All of this is genetic lottery. Gustang not being stronger than these three doesn't reduce his talents. Only Zahard and V are clearly above all the others. Arie have the broken Arie Swordsmanship but Eduan and Yurin have nothing of the sort. Ha's talent is just high physical abilties, which is inferior to Zahard too.

Yurin and Han have twins, they are less talented than Yuri. Gustang and Blossom(also weaker than these three) have Blossom who is the only one comparable to Adori. Eduan and Yurin don't have descendants that talented.

 

[Lonatian]

All of this is genetic lottery. Gustang not being stronger than these three doesn't reduce his talents. Only Zahard and V are clearly above all the others. Arie have the broken Arie Swordsmanship but Eduan and Yurin have nothing of the sort. Ha's talent is just high physical abilties, which is inferior to Zahard too.

Yurin and Han have twins, they are less talented than Yuri. Gustang and Blossom(also weaker than these three) have Blossom who is the only one comparable to Adori. Eduan and Yurin don't have descendants that talented.

The Khun and Ha families have not really appeared yet. We also don't know what their regents are like.

Comparing Dumas - top 2 (or 3) of the Po Bidau family with the Khun and Ha members that have appeared is unfair (Although I am quite confident that the Ha twins will be more talented than Dumas, and Yuri is still too young).

 

[Demonspeed]

The Khun and Ha families have not really appeared yet. We also don't know what their regents are like.

Comparing Dumas - top 2 (or 3) of the Po Bidau family with the Khun and Ha members that have appeared is unfair (Although I am quite confident that the Ha twins will be more talented than Dumas, and Yuri is still too young).

And we haven't seen the equivalent for most of the other families.

Yuri is young, but she is more talented than these twins so she has a higher ceiling. I also doubt there is a Khun Towerborn more talented or stronger than Maschenny. These twins are also weaker than Adori and Enne.

I don't get that idea that the N.2 and 3 from the Arie, Khun and Ha should be stronger than the others because they are the strongest families.

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

I think the key lies in how much FLs are willing to invest in that reagent. From what we have seen so far, LPBs have shown nothing extraordinary barring Robadon, their divine sea animals which was given by Rei are the main forces. Similar to PBs, they are given an item which seems to be reason behind the strength which originally belonged to Gussy. Like for instance, if Rei were to give one of 3 WDs to Robadon, his power will increase exponentially.

 

[O_n_Sly]

It’s kind of insane to compare Dumas to actual DDs from other families. His entire hax of being was written into reality!!! Even Tiara was a hax being only to be defeated by another bs hax character!!!

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Similar to Gustang he lacked skills/technique and only used items (A class)

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His nemesis is Khel and y’all rightfully disrespect Khel so relax LOL

 

[Lonatian]

Wait, since when did we think Dumas was the most talented? It seems I was a little mistaken.
In terms of strength, Dumas is considered to be at the top of the family (like Lobadon).
But in terms of talent, I rate Tiara higher than him.

 

[O_n_Sly]

Tiara is definitely smarter but, like Dumas, not talented!!! I don’t recall seeing any PB named attacks besides them using ignition weapons, Gustang included!

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

His nemesis is Khel and y’all rightfully disrespect Khel so relax LOL

Does anyone here even respect KH lol? As for being nemesis, doesn't mean they are equal. We know Night and kallavan are eternal nemesis. Why will it even matter lol?

don’t recall seeing any PB named attacks besides them using ignition weapons, Gustang included!

Idk what's the obsession with named attack, but one of attacks of Gussy was named, seraphim of light or sth down the lines check 635 last panels.

 

[Lonatian]

Speaking of bloodline, Tiara only said that after Enne, there were no more DDs. That doesn't mean Enne is the first and only biological daughter. Although I'm concerned that Gustang has another wife besides Blossom.

 

[Demonspeed]

Using certain weapons have never been a factor to dismiss talent and combat skills. You might as well say that Baam sucks because he has the Thorn. Different people fight differently.

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• Po Bidau: Proust and Dumas.
• Lo Po Bia: Lobadon and Kirin.

For all the other families, the N.2 and 3 are unknown. The question was to know if Dumas could possibly be stronger than the current N.2 or 3 from the Khun, Arie or Ha families and I don't see how he couldn't. Towerborn from the other families don't have some kind of theoretical limit which makes them inferior to the greatest talent from the 3 strongest families. It's genetic lottery. They are the three strongest families, they are stronger as families. Individual strength varies.

Speaking of bloodline, Tiara only said that after Enne, there were no more DDs. That doesn't mean Enne is the first and only biological daughter. Although I'm concerned that Gustang has another wife besides Blossom.

Yulia is most likely a PB.

 

[O_n_Sly]

Idk what's the obsession with named attack, but one of attacks of Gussy was named, seraphim of light or sth down the lines check 635 last panels.

Not a named attack lol!!! He read a page from his book lol!!! None of Gustang’s bs gimmick items or fictional characters could compare to Traum’s Rupture ( a created technique)

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Using certain weapons have never been a factor to dismiss talent and combat skills. You might as well say that Baam sucks because he has the Thorn. Different people fight differently.

LMFAO in Dumas’ case it does matter! He was created out of thin air and given some of Gustang’s power and sternness characteristic! Whereas all the towerborn DD trained and mastered their abilities LOL!!! Bam can barely use any of his items lol it’s constantly mentioned how bad he is at using them

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Tiara didn’t master shit, she just started writing bs and it came true

 

[Anne isn't a TT]

Not a named attack lol!!! He read a page from his book lol!!! None of Gustang’s bs gimmick items or fictional characters could compare the Traum’s Rupture ( a created technique)

400 days flood stomps, lol

given some of Gustang’s power

Where does it says the writings get the powers?

If the writings get the power, tiara should have been able to kill Enkidu. It literally states, tiara doesn't possess Gussy's power, lmfao.

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Also, Gussy never had that long hair originally lol

 

[O_n_Sly]

400 days flood stomps, lol



Where does it says the writings get the powers?

If the writings get the power, tiara should have been able to kill Enkidu. It literally states, tiara doesn't possess Gussy's power, lmfao.

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Also, Gussy never had that long hair originally lol

LMFAO S3CH211 “THE HEAD LIBRARIAN’S POWER… ALL COMES FROM GUSTANG ORIGINALLY. EVEN TIARA’S ABILITY TO CREATE THINGS… AND HIS(GUSTANG) POWER IS MUCH GREATER THAN HERS”

LMFAO any more questions?!?’

 

[Demonspeed]

Not a named attack lol!!! He read a page from his book lol!!! None of Gustang’s bs gimmick items or fictional characters could compare to Traum’s Rupture ( a created technique)

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LMFAO in Dumas’ case it does matter! He was created out of thin air and given some of Gustang’s power and sternness characteristic! Whereas all the towerborn DD trained and mastered their abilities LOL!!! Bam can barely use any of his items lol it’s constantly mentioned how bad he is at using them

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Tiara didn’t master shit, she just started writing bs and it came true

What tells you that they didn't train to develop their abilities? They have inferior version of Gustang's powers but they aren't born with a fixed power level. Tiara herself was a potential Zahard Princess and she said that she grew reading and expanding and knowledge with books. You say Gustang has nothing but you talk about Tiara's reality writing, which is a power she has thanks to Gustang. We don't even know Dumas's ability.

Baam uses the Thorn all the time. He can't use the second fragment fully.