So that means he still had power. Of course it matters if the attack exhausted him. This was Natsu mere moments before fighting. The worst injury he had was the scar on his face.
The other 4 elements wouldn't make Serena twice as powerful. His attacks should all be on the same level. However, the fact that he still hasn't used half his elements meant the Ishgar Saints didn't make him go all out. I don't think Serena even managed to fire off his Gale DS attack before August stopped him.
Idk, I think Serena was close to going all out. Well I mean it in the way that he was serious in taking them out. It's just the GoI fell before he could go through all 8 elements. He should have roars at least so that's more of a reason to think he didn't go all out than not using the other 4 elements imo. I also don't think he used Gale DS, he was nearly about to.
Well, it's like the difference between doing 4 push up versus doing 8 push ups. Assuming that using all 8 elements would exhaust him, this means that Serena only used up half of the power in his tank. It's possible that cycling through all 8 elements wouldn't exhaust Serena, and that he has stronger attacks for each element. So what happens when someone can take 8 of Serena's attacks before going down? Doesn't that mean that Serena essentially needs to put in twice the effort compared to taking down the Ishgar Saints?
Cycling through all the elements shouldn't exhaust him more than if he just stayed on a couple, because that would mean that some of his elements are more powerful than his others. As long as the amount of attacks and their power level are the same, regardless of their element, Serena should be using the same amount of energy.
Serena should be capable of cycling through all 8 of his elements. The fact that he only got to 4, and only 3 was actually required to beat them, meant that the Ishgar Saints weren't capable of pushing Serena to go all out. Serena wasn't exhausted facing off against the Ishgar Saints. He stopped beating on them because August told him to.
Yea I totally agree that Serena wasn't going all out, I just think that the reason for that is more of the fact that he only used 3 attacks. The only reason that Serena would have been using more power and energy if he went through all eight is because then he would have used 8 attacks, not 3. So I think it has more to do with the amount of attacks he uses, rather than the variety. Of course, this is assuming his different elements are at the same level in terms of power and energy expended.
That's what I'm saying. It has to do with the number of attacks Serena can use before he exhausts himself. I'm not saying that his other elements are stronger than the ones he has shown, but they shouldn't be weaker either.
Well he has Igneel mode (which he can only use twice) and is faaaaar superior to anything he's ever shown; FDKM mode (which he used against Jacob and we're not sure whether he used it against the God of War) and his base powers.
I'm not disagreeing with how much power he would need to use if he did have to use all 8. If someone takes all 8, then this person will have indeed pushed Serena more than the GoI, twice as much to be exact (or 8/3 times). I see 'going all out' as using your most powerful attacks. I think you can go all out and win low diff.
I can agree that Natsu couldn't combine DF and Igneel's flames because that'd put him Acnologia level. I think the reason is not that he couldn't "combine" it though, is that he cannot summon DF at will (unlike Wendy).
He used dragon king attacks against the war god (Base) , against Zeref's army (base). He melted the stadium in his base. In jacob fight he evaporated the lake in his BDKM mode i can't see much difference tbh even in his physical appearance or aoe it's the same.
Well I wouldn't say that he can't will Dragon Force as thats simply not true. Look at the Natsu and Gray vs Mard Geer fight, where in the closing stages, Natsu entered DF at will and began to dominate Mard.
You are right in some respect. Yes the point of the fight was for Lyon to get out of his confront zone and take his first steps, but you are ignoring the fact that the first steps were defeating Ur. Ur even responds literally the panel after Gray tells Lyon to take his first step that there is no way they are going to defeat her. The fact that Lyon and Gray were celebrating means that they had defeated her, same goes for Laxus, Wendy and Juvia/Meredy.
Them celebrating doesn't necessarily mean that they were able to defeat Ur, it might have just been because Ur disappeared and they were just celebrating because the fight was over. Because if they really had been able to defeat Ur, then that would mean that Wendy was able to oneshot a Demon Gate of Tartaros with an injured leg, Laxus was able to oneshot Hades while severely injured, and Juvia/ Meredy were able to oneshot another Demon Gate of Tartaros and one of the Seven Kin of Purgatory. I know everyone's improved over the past year, but for them to have improved this much is kinda ridiculous.
