Fantasy All 4 Yonko's Vs World Government

[Shasha23]

WHen has a military ever been mentioned or implied anywhere? And fujitora and ryogoku certainly did not come from there, as far as we know they were drafted, not transferred from elsewhere.

they were drafted from the world military its already been stated, not sure by Doffy or Jimbe

 

[kkck]

they were drafted from the world military its already been stated, not sure by Doffy or Jimbe

Neither one said such a thing. Such a thing is fails to even make sense with the basic definition of draft or conscription.

 

[Shasha23]

Neither one said such a thing. Such a thing is fails to even make sense with the basic definition of draft or conscription.

I wouldn't bring it up if it wasn't so, what cant you understand about it?
The WG has a military and the marines held trail/drafted some people from the military to the marines its not a hard concept to grasp

 

[kkck]

I wouldn't bring it up if it wasn't so, what cant you understand about it?
The WG has a military and the marines held trail/drafted some people from the military to the marines its not a hard concept to grasp

What I understand is that you are wrong. The military has never been mentioned in the manga. And even if they have fujitora and ryogoku certainly did not come from there (unless draft/conscription means something different in OPverse).

 

[Fuuji Genichiro]

holy crap, i mixed up WB with BB, either way, it HAS been stated in the manga that they have been drafted from the military, in any scenario, it wasnt prmotion and i dont expect they would take admirals off the roadside, the shichibukai are VERY VERY powerful, the seven of them could take on two yonko easily

 

[Mighty Action X]

holy crap, i mixed up WB with BB, either way, it HAS been stated in the manga that they have been drafted from the military, in any scenario, it wasnt prmotion and i dont expect they would take admirals off the roadside, the shichibukai are VERY VERY powerful, the seven of them could take on two yonko easily

At yet DD is crapping his pants in the presence of Kaido. And we can consider him as a top tier among the Seven and yet he can't hold his ground against him and will desperately resolved into anything than to anger him. An evidence on that is how desperately he tried to save the SMILE Factory above all else during the havoc against the Strawhat Pirates and Law.

 

[M3J]

At yet DD is crapping his pants in the presence of Kaido. And we can consider him as a top tier among the Seven and yet he can't hold his ground against him and will desperately resolved into anything than to anger him. An evidence on that is how desperately he tried to save the SMILE Factory above all else during the havoc against the Strawhat Pirates and Law.

Speculation, and why the hell would anyone want to anger one of the most powerful forces? The Marines didn't even do anything until Ace came into their hands, and only to send a message while scheming to take out Whitebeard once and for all.

But yeah, if one Yonkou could cause destruction, and the leader still keep fighting despite damage and old age, then all four Yonkou should be able to beat the World Government.

 

[Shasha23]

What I understand is that you are wrong. The military has never been mentioned in the manga. And even if they have fujitora and ryogoku certainly did not come from there (unless draft/conscription means something different in OPverse).

Fujitora himself stated he was drafted from the military by the marines to become an admiral, he said so himself when he was talking with Doffy about destroying the shichibukai system ( I remember now)
You failed to listen to other people I think that's your problem, I wasn't wrong , what Fuji said was that he was drafted from the world military to become a new admiral and that's a fact, proving in the world military there are people admiral level

 

[BASED Shinigami]

Fujitora himself stated he was drafted from the military by the marines to become an admiral, he said so himself when he was talking with Doffy about destroying the shichibukai system ( I remember now)
You failed to listen to other people I think that's your problem, I wasn't wrong you were just ignorant, what Fuji said was that he was drafted from the world military to become a new admiral and that's a fact, proving in the world military there are people admiral level

No he didn't. Doflamingo said Issho was given the rank of Admiral when Issho enlisted(voluntarily engaged for service in the armed forces) into the military a.k.a Marines in the context of this manga. Issho didn't come from another armed forces branch because such a branch doesn't even exist in the One Piece world. There are only the Marines. Cipher Pol doesn't really count as an armed forces branch because they specialize in covert operations, espionage, and spying.

Read this page http://www.mangainn.me/manga/chapter/107479_one-piece-chapter-713/page_6

Indeed I highly suggest you check your sources before you utter strong words like wrong and ignorant to another poster while debating.

 

[Fox666]

when Issho enlisted(voluntarily engaged for service in the armed forces)

A more accurate translation would be a military draft (mandatory recruitment).

Issho didn't come from another armed forces branch because such a branch doesn't even exist in the One Piece world.

Most countries in One Piece appears to have a military force. It may be possible that the World Government has a united army, but it's nowhere the magnitude of the Marines.

 

[BASED Shinigami]

A more accurate translation would be a military draft (mandatory recruitment).


Most countries in One Piece appears to have a military force. It may be possible that the World Government has a united army, but it's nowhere the magnitude of the Marines.

I doubt it. If the World Government has an united army, then wouldn't it have made sense for the author to have made mention of such a thing in at least one of the 790+ chapters that have come out so far. I would argue the possibility is slim to none.

If you can provide me with a single manga link that even remotely suggests the World Government has an united army, then I would be happy to change my stance.

Yes indeed some countries have their own local militia that upholds the law and defends their land from outsiders, but in specific regards to the World Government there is no armed forces but the Marines based upon manga evidence.

 

[Shasha23]

I doubt it. If the World Government has an united army, then wouldn't it have made sense for the author to have made mention of such a thing in at least one of the 790+ chapters that have come out so far. I would argue the possibility is slim to none.

If you can provide me with a single manga link that even remotely suggests the World Government has an united army, then I would be happy to change my stance.

Yes indeed some countries have their own local militia that upholds the law and defends their land from outsiders, but in specific regards to the World Government there is no armed forces but the Marines based upon manga evidence.

just like we only found out about CP-0 some 50-70 chapters ago, the world military will be formally introduced once they become relevant to the story

 

[kkck]

Fujitora himself stated he was drafted from the military by the marines to become an admiral, he said so himself when he was talking with Doffy about destroying the shichibukai system ( I remember now)
You failed to listen to other people I think that's your problem, I wasn't wrong you were just ignorant, what Fuji said was that he was drafted from the world military to become a new admiral and that's a fact, proving in the world military there are people admiral level

So... on top of being absolutely and unequivocally wrong you start with name calling? I am guessing you are referring to this:
http://www.mangareader.net/one-piece/713/5
http://www.mangastream.to/one-piece-chapter-714-page-5.html

Doflamingo: Fuffuffu!! So it's you, eh...? // I've heard all about you, Fujitora. Specially appointed as a Marine Admiral through the World Conscription system. / I hear both you and Ryokugyuu are full-on monsters with power to spare!

The implication in the manga is that there was a massive draft, that's it. There is absolutely no implication that there is yet another military somewhere. Let alone that it has people as strong as you claim. Even if there was yet another military organization, the stuff you mention would not even constitute evidence of it. If anything, you are so wrong that even if this hypothetical other army existed there is no guarantee it would be enough to take on the 4 yonko. Assuming its similar it would have equivalents to the fleet admiral(2), the admirals(6) and the VAs. In which case they would still be outnumbered by the yonko. You'd still have the 4 yonko, 2 or 3 fighters in each crew capable of taking on admirals which would make for 8-12 fighters and then the rest of their main crews which would still be at least 7 people per crew to deal with VAs. Its still a massive force, just doubling the strength of the world government does not guarantee victory here.

 

[Notice me Escanor senpai]

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Please keep the discussion civil, no name calling.

Concerning the military as a force here's what the wikia says:

The Marines are the World Government's military sea force, tasked with law enforcement, international security and military operations. The Marines are one of the three great powers, alongside the Shichibukai and the Yonko.

Unfortunately among the three powers there is no mention of The Military similar to what we have in our world and it shouldn't be. The world of One Piece is mostly constituted of islands, so the Marines play the role of the military since they are forced to intervene on each island. It would make little sense to have a terrestrial force like the military, and on each island affiliated to the WG it's not rare to find a Marines HQ. The Marines are the main military force in the manga, end of discussion.
The military draft was held by the Marines who are responsible of military operations. If you're still confused about that then I suggest rereading the manga or the SBS, or the wikia. ~ ladylola

 

[monkeydyummy]

Did you ever think about one of gorosei's strength may be as much as a yonko? They are old enough to see lots of war (even the war with the ancient kingdom? maybe gorosei who starts the war?). Just look at scars they have, gorosei should be above of the admiral level. Don't underestimate them.

 

[kkck]

Did you ever think about one of gorosei's strength may be as much as a yonko? They are old enough to see lots of war (even the war with the ancient kingdom? maybe gorosei who starts the war?). Just look at scars they have, gorosei should be above of the admiral level. Don't underestimate them.

Well, it is completely possible they were all powerful at some point however odds are that currently they are well past their prime. Aging is a real thing in this manga after all so they all are probably weaker than they were. Even WB was shown as weakened from what he was due to his age.

 

[MBVC]

Those 5 are immortal beings all thanks to the legendary operations in the past. probably all of them used to be general admirals several hundred years ago hence the aging problem doesn't work. If they were indeed ex-general admirals from the past then the probability of them eating exotic powerful dfs was extremely high, of course Sengoku is the only example so far.

 

[Holt]

The Gorosei could possibly be powerful individuals but they all look pretty old. They're bound to not be as strong due to that.

 

[Franckie]

I'm curious if Oda will ever reveal how the Revolutionaries tie into the balance of power. We already know Yonkou vs. Yonkou vs. Yonkou vs. Yonkou >= MHQ + 7 SB. I doubt the WG ever considered the possibility of something like the Revolutionaries allying themselves with a Yonkou (e.g. Shanks), but this is what makes someone like Luffy so dangerous--he has ties to the Yonkou and the Revolutionaries. If the Revolutionaries were to receive assistance from just 1 Yonkou fleet, and vice-versa, how would the balance of power change? Now that is something I'd like to see Oda highlight one of these days.

Did you ever think about one of gorosei's strength may be as much as a yonko? They are old enough to see lots of war (even the war with the ancient kingdom? maybe gorosei who starts the war?). Just look at scars they have, gorosei should be above of the admiral level. Don't underestimate them.

Each Gorosei could be "top-tier", but stronger than an Admiral? Unlikely because of their advanced age, as well as Admirals being the "strongest". The important thing to keep in mind though when comparing the Yonkou to the World Government is the total military power each side has. The WG, with assistance from the Shichibukai, can easily defeat the forces of 1 Yonkou fleet, maybe 2 if under better circumstances (e.g. what would happen if Fujitora and Ryokugya were present at the Marineford War + all 7 Shichibukai?). Still, the WG lacks the manpower to take on all 4 Yonkou fleets themselves, and this isn't factoring in the constant infighting that goes on between the Yonkou fleets.

 

[Shasha23]

The Gorosei could possibly be powerful individuals but they all look pretty old. They're bound to not be as strong due to that.

1 of them looks very young, even younger than Akainu