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Abortions do affect me, it is my religious duty and right to prevent murders
Are guns not a device which is specifically designed for killing? Or the main purpose of a gun is recreational?
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The next update would be the national conventions in july and whoever is announced as their vps.

The only one saying trump is taking the party down are people who believe the daily poll of whichever service they like. I dont know if those polls are ecen2that accurate this far out.
Yeah, polls are very Inaccurate till now. But many articles in the net on how Trump is destroying GOP.

Someone like Rubio would've been a much better choice to beat Clinton though.
 

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Interestingly, Chic-Fil-A also gives money to anti-homosexual groups, but I'm not 100% sure if this is real as the sources are liberal. They say these groups kill or attack homosexuals, too. I thought Chic-Fil-A discriminated homosexuals, or at least they did in some areas.

I know, which is why I said we should leave it up to people. Let them boycott the business or give it more support if they want.
Not to my knowledge. The controversy arose when they catered or sponsored some "family" conferences in some places. Groups that were for the "protection" of marriage, etc. Discriminating against homosexuals only insofar that the people in charge there clearly aren't for marriage equality. But none of that has anything to do with the day-to-day business, so I think you're misremembering.
 

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Are guns not a device which is specifically designed for killing? Or the main purpose of a gun is recreational?
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Yeah, polls are very Inaccurate till now. But many articles in the net on how Trump is destroying GOP.

Someone like Rubio would've been a much better choice to beat Clinton though.
Guns are devices meant for killing, but Shark likes to bullshit and say guns are recreational when there has been enough gun deaths and massacres in the country... unless Shark and other gun lovers think shooting/mass shooting humans is part of recreational activity.

Pretty sure Trump is destroying GOP, but tey deserve it.
Not to my knowledge. The controversy arose when they catered or sponsored some "family" conferences in some places. Groups that were for the "protection" of marriage, etc. Discriminating against homosexuals only insofar that the people in charge there clearly aren't for marriage equality. But none of that has anything to do with the day-to-day business, so I think you're misremembering.
Oh. I don't understand the backlash, other than them supporting violent anti-homosexual groups.
 

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Oh. I don't understand the backlash, other than them supporting violent anti-homosexual groups.
It's like any controversy, the people who disagree with it blow it way out of proportion. The people in the corporate structure are taking that stance, but it's inconsequential as far as day-to-day business goes...I mean, unless someone wants to have their wedding reception or wedding catered by a fast food place? :lmao

I'm not sure where you're getting "violent anti-homosexual groups" from. Thinking marriage should only be between a man and woman isn't "violent".
 

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as long as they don't deny homosexuals service, then I don't see what the fuckus is all about. I forgot which source, maybe Think Progress, but they wrote an article about how Chic-Fil-A gave money to the anti-homosexual groups that attacked and/or killed homosexuals. Might be true, might not be, but I hope it's bullshit liberal propaganda.
 
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Are guns not a device which is specifically designed for killing? Or the main purpose of a gun is recreational?
Both, as well as self-defense. Gun culture is deeply embedded in US culture. I think one of the more interesting developments over the last several decades is the rationale for gun control laws. Originally gun control laws were designed to keep non-desirables (e.g. blacks) from owning firearms. Nowadays the ideological descendants of gun control advocates are the ones fighting tooth-and-nail to expand gun rights despite overwhelming evidence that stricter laws are needed to keep firearms out of the real threats, like domestic abusers. Unsurprisingly, it turns out the Orlando shooter was a domestic abuser himself.
 

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So, looks like trump keeps on losing ground in the polls.
I still do think it is a safe bet that clinton will win, and i am absolutely fine with it.

Sanders will endorse her at some point and we will see what happens the gop gathering.
 

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Trump seems to have a few more issues than the polls. He has absolutely failed to gather GOP support, if anything he keeps alienating them, his campaign seems to be non existent and underfunded and donors straight up hate him. The only thing he has going for him is all the free media attention, which to be fair is no small thing. To boot, he has not changed his rhetoric at all, if anything he has gotten worst. Everyone thought the guy would simply change his speech to whatever got him attention but safe for a minor flip flop the guy is pretty much the same. Which goes to show that the guy rather than being an opportunistic populist crowd surfer, he is simply a dumbass.
 

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Trump seems to have a few more issues than the polls. He has absolutely failed to gather GOP support, if anything he keeps alienating them, his campaign seems to be non existent and underfunded and donors straight up hate him. The only thing he has going for him is all the free media attention, which to be fair is no small thing. To boot, he has not changed his rhetoric at all, if anything he has gotten worst. Everyone thought the guy would simply change his speech to whatever got him attention but safe for a minor flip flop the guy is pretty much the same. Which goes to show that the guy rather than being an opportunistic populist crowd surfer, he is simply a dumbass.
Or planted by the clintons :D
I just love that theory. It is the only conspiracy theory i have ever loved.

But yes, as it seems now, trump has no shot at winning.
While Clinton didnt even really get started, Trump already destroyed a lot of the ppossible sympathy undecided voters might have had with him.
 

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Or planted by the clintons :D
I just love that theory. It is the only conspiracy theory i have ever loved.

But yes, as it seems now, trump has no shot at winning.
While Clinton didnt even really get started, Trump already destroyed a lot of the ppossible sympathy undecided voters might have had with him.
Agreed.... the brilliance in it is the disturbing amount of sense it makes even after you think about it. A normal conspiracy theory would normally crumble upon itself with a minimal degree of scrutiny...

Clinton became the likely candidate there were a week or two where trump was ahead in the polls which was sort of disturbing. Of course, the information now has trump consistently behind in polls and show trump as being consistently more reviled than hillary. It's like he is intentionally trying to appeal to as few people as possible outside of the racist rednecks that voted for him....
 

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So glad SCOTUS declined on ruling on another awful Obama policy for making illegal immigrants have a parth towards becoming legal. Leave it to the states to decide please and deport them.
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Also gun anger events are not only happening in America.
 

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Also gun anger events are not only happening in America.
'Several wounded'...
Last I heard, no one was hurt by the gunman.

Seems the only one who was shot was the arsehole with the gun...

If only everyone in the cinema had been armed, eh?
Perhaps then there may have been some more shooting victims.

Also, how many German 'gun anger events' can you actually name Sharky?
 

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So, looks like trump keeps on losing ground in the polls.
I still do think it is a safe bet that clinton will win, and i am absolutely fine with it.

Sanders will endorse her at some point and we will see what happens the gop gathering.
Last I read, Trump was ahead of Clinton... I'm not completely sure if she has the win in the bag given her image and Trump's image.

Or planted by the clintons :D
I just love that theory. It is the only conspiracy theory i have ever loved.

But yes, as it seems now, trump has no shot at winning.
While Clinton didnt even really get started, Trump already destroyed a lot of the ppossible sympathy undecided voters might have had with him.
Not sure about that. Many "undecided" voters decided to vote for Trump because of the protesters' behavior, like attacking Trump supporters and blocking traffic or something. BUt then again, they were probably going to vote for Trump anyway because I don't recall any of my friends pointing out Trump supporters attacking minorities or seeming to understand that the violence from Trump and his supporters are likely why protesters are responding with violence.

Agreed.... the brilliance in it is the disturbing amount of sense it makes even after you think about it. A normal conspiracy theory would normally crumble upon itself with a minimal degree of scrutiny...

Clinton became the likely candidate there were a week or two where trump was ahead in the polls which was sort of disturbing. Of course, the information now has trump consistently behind in polls and show trump as being consistently more reviled than hillary. It's like he is intentionally trying to appeal to as few people as possible outside of the racist rednecks that voted for him....
More like, xenophobic people, not racist rednecks. THere was a video of a black Trump supporter attacking a white protester, while I know few brownies who support Trump and think he's the best choice who will make America great again. I don't understand why Trump being a businessman and not a politician is a good reason; that's like saying a fast food worker with no education would be a good rocket scientist. Not only that, but Trump is a bad businessman who has gone bankrupt several times.
So glad SCOTUS declined on ruling on another awful Obama policy for making illegal immigrants have a parth towards becoming legal. Leave it to the states to decide please and deport them.
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At the very least, illegal immigrants who are in danger in their home country should either be legalized or be sent to a safer country. Other than that, my views towards illegal immigration leans towards conservative, as horrible as conservatives are.
Also gun anger events are not only happening in America.
I don't see why you brought this up.

1) No one was killed.
2) This is the only event where something like this happened in Germany.
3) Pretty sure Europe has seen less attempts at mass shooting in the last decade than US has seen in the last 12 months.
4) The gunman didn't even seem to shoot anyone.
5) Article says the gun may or may not have been real.
6) Do you read any article that you link to, or do you just go by the headlines? Or are you trying so hard to reach? I'm pretty sure you don't read any of our links that have proof of whatever the subject is, anyway.
 

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Germany had about 5 Shootings in the last 20 years in which someone was actually killed, and the number of victims was rarely above 3.

As in this case, noone died except the shooter.
And do you know why? partially, because unlike the guy in Orlando, he had no machine guns.

This is the only would be mass shooting outside of school amok runs since the reunification, and nothing happened.
And even from those school amok runs, in the last 33 years, there are 34 dead poeple, because two of those had big victim numbers (15 and 16, most of the runs ended without dead victims).
And now the prize question: Do you know what the succesful (and some unsucessful) runs had in common?
Legally aquired guns, because the fathers of those people possessed guns and the kids got them from there.

So the runs we had, if anything, could be directly traced back to the fact that even in germany, under much stricter conditions, you are allowed to possess guns.

There simply are no mass shootings in germany outside of those infamous two i mentioned in erfurt and Anstetten, which had its very big reasons of success in the fact that the access to guns was to easy for those children.
Because in germany, kids usually do not know how to get an illegal gun, so they all had to rely on their fathers weapons.
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Last I read, Trump was ahead of Clinton... I'm not completely sure if she has the win in the bag given her image and Trump's image.
He was ahead in 2 or 3 polls of which one was a fox poll.
And he was not far ahead in those.

His numbers dropped severely, he is out of money, he has internal trouble with his staff and clinton hasnt even really started yet.
It's really not looking good for him:

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/2016-general-election-trump-vs-clinton

The polls in which trump won were outliers in a longtime trend which speaks clearly for clinton.
 

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1) No one was killed.
2) This is the only event where something like this happened in Germany.
3) Pretty sure Europe has seen less attempts at mass shooting in the last decade than US has seen in the last 12 months.
4) The gunman didn't even seem to shoot anyone.
5) Article says the gun may or may not have been real.
6) Do you read any article that you link to, or do you just go by the headlines? Or are you trying so hard to reach? I'm pretty sure you don't read any of our links that have proof of whatever the subject is, anyway.
I did read, its just further proof that in an area with less of a gun industry events will still happen, hence the need for no changes to current gun legislature. Let us continue to have free access to our recreational devices please.

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I did read, its just further proof that in an area with less of a gun industry events will still happen, hence the need for no changes to current gun legislature. Let us continue to have free access to our recreational devices please.

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My candidate is going to continue in politics, hyped.
So no answer to my post as usual?

It's a bit like you question the effectiveness and need for seatbelts just because there are still fatal car crashes.
It is absolute nonsense.
 

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So no answer to my post as usual?

It's a bit like you question the effectiveness and need for seatbelts just because there are still fatal car crashes.
It is absolute nonsense.
Whats the point of seat belts when alcohol is legal and people will drive under the influence or be distracted by passengers and cell phones. Until those are banned, then there is no need for more gun control.
 

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Whats the point of seat belts when alcohol is legal and people will drive under the influence or be distracted by passengers and cell phones. Until those are banned, then there is no need for more gun control.
the point is that we know that their usage reduced fatalities in car crashes very reliably and very significantly, while lax gun laws make mass shootings more likely.
Please dont act like there are just as many massshootings in countries with stricter gunlaws as there are in the US.
It is just not true (for comparable, western countries, that is).

You can also hardly equate alcohol and guns.
You would hardly say 'there is no need to fight against terrorism because drunk driving kills much more people per year than terrorists in the US'.

You are very dishonest in how you measure priority and value for political actions.

We know that lax gun laws lead to mass shootings (and not only that, gun related homicides and suicides are also naturally higher in the US) which do threaten the felt safety of normal civillians severely.
And there is no real benefit in having laxer gun laws, exspecially on machine guns. It just means a lot of paranoid and angry people will have a device which can kill hundreds of people in minutes.

If you were consequent in your ideas, as i said, it would follow that you would have to say terrorist attacks are just fine and no measures against it should be taken as long as they dont exceed the number of victims other things have.
 
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