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Making cocaine and heroin illegal will give cops a reason to arrest the drug addicts and put them in jail.

As for the street selling, I don't really care if it's 25% heroin and 75% other stuff. If these crack addicts want the drug so badly, then it's up to them to find the better quality drugs. I'm not gonna go out of my way to help them find the healthiest drug around.

Again, it's their body, they can do whatever they want. They just can't complain when they have to face the health consequences.

Obviously, I can't stop every drug addict, I'm well aware of that. There will always be people who will get them from the black market and other private dealings. Laws are put in place to govern the general population, not the addicts. That's the only way you're gonna have order in society.

As for the people who want to break the rules, they can... but I can only do so much to help them after they've made their
I admire how you believe that laws should be observed and there is nothing wrong with that. More people should believe as such. I think if you thought about what if there are those with a different opinion, like those who will break laws if they find them unnecessary, you could understand what we are saying. The world is full of unique people with different views and sometimes looking through a different lens makes things clearer.
 

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I don't understand why we have to wait for a widespread abuse to happen first before we start implementing new laws to prevent it. That's counterproductive. Drugs aren't a friend to mankind. Scientific evidence shows that addiction to drugs will cause severe health consequences for the user and possibly impair normal growth and development in their offspring.

The reason why other developed nations don't have a problem is because they don't even have drugs in their society to begin with. They have actual laws that ban the use of drugs, making them illegal for recreational purposes. Their citizens are disciplined and educated about the detrimental effects of stuff like cocaine and heroin.

Though, if somebody has a proposal to fix the system so that it doesn't get abused, then I wouldn't mind seeing the plan. It's a lot easier said than done, trust me.



And not all drug addicts want to go to rehab. That's a big assumption that people want to get off drugs. In reality, that's not the case.

Laws exist to control the general population. That's why they have to be put in place, regardless of whether it's effective or not. We need formal rules to distinguish between what is legal and illegal.

Laws aren't there to win a political war. They are necessary to establish order, control its citizens, and contribute to the well-being of society.
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I admire how you believe that laws should be observed and there is nothing wrong with that. More people should believe as such. I think if you thought about what if there are those with a different opinion, like those who will break laws if they find them unnecessary, you could understand what we are saying. The world is full of unique people with different views and sometimes looking through a different lens makes things clearer.

Which is why I think being educated about drugs is important.

It may be unfortunate that those drug users were never informed about the risks that they are taking, but that doesn't mean that society should let them hang loose. Not only will the drug users themselves pay the consequences, but society will also be affected in the process.

It will produce an entire new generation of individuals who have no concept about the health problems associated with drugs.

If we want to help them, it's better to stop them first, then try to reason with them.
 

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I don't understand why we have to wait for a widespread abuse to happen first before we start implementing new laws to prevent it. That's counterproductive. Drugs aren't a friend to mankind. Scientific evidence shows that addiction to drugs will cause severe health consequences for the user and possibly impair normal growth and development in their offspring.

The reason why other developed nations don't have a problem is because they don't even have drugs in their society to begin with. They have actual laws that ban the use of drugs, making them illegal for recreational purposes. Their citizens are disciplined and educated about the detrimental effects of stuff like cocaine and heroin.

Though, if somebody has a proposal to fix the system so that it doesn't get abused, then I wouldn't mind seeing the plan. It's a lot easier said than done, trust me.

And not all drug addicts want to go to rehab. That's a big assumption that people want to get off drugs. In reality, that's not the case.

Laws exist to control the general population. That's why they have to be put in place, regardless of whether it's effective or not. We need formal rules to distinguish between what is legal and illegal.

Laws aren't there to win a political war. They are necessary to establish order, control its citizens, and contribute to the well-being of society.
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Which is why I think being educated about drugs is important.

It may be unfortunate that those drug users were never informed about the risks that they are taking, but that doesn't mean that society should let them hang loose. Not only will the drug users themselves pay the consequences, but society will also be affected in the process.

It will produce an entire new generation of individuals who have no concept about the health problems associated with drugs.

If we want to help them, it's better to stop them first, then try to reason with them.
So... you are saying that there isn't widespread abuse now?

What makes you think other developed countries don't have drugs? Honestly, I want to try the drugs that lead you to even consider this could be anywhere in the vicinity of plausibly true. Whatever drug led you to hallucinate something this asinine probably makes heroine look like a pussy. Of course other developed nations have drugs, it's asinine to suggest otherwise.They simply have different policies regarding how they handle this, focusing on decriminalization, education and rehabilitation mostly rather than a war on drugs that pretty much can never be won.
 

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So... you are saying that there isn't widespread abuse now?

What makes you think other developed countries don't have drugs? Honestly, I want to try the drugs that lead you to even consider this could be anywhere in the vicinity of plausibly true. Whatever drug led you to hallucinate something this asinine probably makes heroine look like a pussy. Of course other developed nations have drugs, it's asinine to suggest otherwise.They simply have different policies regarding how they handle this, focusing on decriminalization, education and rehabilitation mostly rather than a war on drugs that pretty much can never be won.

I'm not part of the drug testing or unemployment benefits industry, so I wouldn't know how widespread it is. And I'd rather not speculate on that either. But obviously, the problem exists, I just don't know to what degree it is at currently.

But regardless, a problem should be fixed as soon as it becomes relevant. There's no point to wait for it to get worse.

As for developed countries that don't have drugs, I know a lot more about the Asian culture than I do about the European cultures, so I can't honestly speak for all countries.

But for the ones that I do know, yes, they have zero tolerance for recreational drugs. Especially those that actually produce health consequences in the current generation and their offspring.

There are countries that treat drug users as criminals. Some of them even go as far as execution.

Education and rehabilitation is probably the most effective methods to deal with drugs, but the United States is based on freedom. So it's extremely difficult to force somebody to attend rehab sessions and be properly educated.

War on drugs will never be won, but laws and measures still have to be put in place to control society as a whole. It's unrealistic to be a drug-free nation (at least here in the U.S. -- I can't speak for other countries), but it's quite easy to prevent further misuse of drugs.
 

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I'm not part of the drug testing or unemployment benefits industry, so I wouldn't know how widespread it is. And I'd rather not speculate on that either. But obviously, the problem exists, I just don't know to what degree it is at currently.

But regardless, a problem should be fixed as soon as it becomes relevant. There's no point to wait for it to get worse.

As for developed countries that don't have drugs, I know a lot more about the Asian culture than I do about the European cultures, so I can't honestly speak for all countries.

But for the ones that I do know, yes, they have zero tolerance for recreational drugs. Especially those that actually produce health consequences in the current generation and their offspring.

There are countries that treat drug users as criminals. Some of them even go as far as execution.

Education and rehabilitation is probably the most effective methods to deal with drugs, but the United States is based on freedom. So it's extremely difficult to force somebody to attend rehab sessions and be properly educated.

War on drugs will never be won, but laws and measures still have to be put in place to control society as a whole. It's unrealistic to be a drug-free nation (at least here in the U.S. -- I can't speak for other countries), but it's quite easy to prevent further misuse of drugs.
errh, what? How does that make any sense? You can't make the point that you don't know widespread something is, would rather not speculate and then immediately jump to "yeah, obviously the problem exists". I mean, that is literally speculating on the thing you said you weren't speculating. Unless your idea there is that you skipped speculation and just reached a conclusion but that is also nonsense.

I have read a little about drugs in asian countries and there are indeed several of them with extremely severe drug (and also crime) policies however from what I have read the effectiveness of said policies is questionable. Of course there is the case of singapore and a couple other places where harsh policies seem to work but then you have other asian countries where demand for drugs is increasing. In spite of the policies.

And still, the issue here is not whether laws keep populations in check but whether a policy is effective. In the US you have the war on drugs policy and all you have is 50 years of failure with no possibility of victory in sight.
 

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errh, what? How does that make any sense? You can't make the point that you don't know widespread something is, would rather not speculate and then immediately jump to "yeah, obviously the problem exists". I mean, that is literally speculating on the thing you said you weren't speculating. Unless your idea there is that you skipped speculation and just reached a conclusion but that is also nonsense.

I have read a little about drugs in asian countries and there are indeed several of them with extremely severe drug (and also crime) policies however from what I have read the effectiveness of said policies is questionable. Of course there is the case of singapore and a couple other places where harsh policies seem to work but then you have other asian countries where demand for drugs is increasing. In spite of the policies.

And still, the issue here is not whether laws keep populations in check but whether a policy is effective. In the US you have the war on drugs policy and all you have is 50 years of failure with no possibility of victory in sight.

There is a difference between acknowledging that a problem exists and determining the magnitude of it. Those are entirely separate discussions.

Obviously, there are drug addicts who do not qualify for unemployment benefits. That's why Trump repealed Obama's regulation that restricted the expansion of drug-testing applicants. That's why I said the problem exists.

But I assumed that when you used the term "widespread", you meant how common it is. And since I'm not part of the Department of Labor, I wouldn't have the answer for that.



In other countries, drugs aren't a major problem because there are policies that control its use. Citizens are educated and disciplined at an early age, so they comply with the law. Those policies also drastically decrease the frequency of black markets and private dealings because drug dealers are more likely to get caught by attempting to sell drugs.

Demand for drugs isn't the same as use of drugs. Sure, their citizens are advocating for a more relaxed law with drugs, but they still aren't using it illegally, otherwise they'd be punished or even executed.

People are supporting marijuana because it is beneficial for medical purposes, but recreational drugs including cocaine and heroin are still publicly opposed by the majority of citizens in those countries.



Realistically, if you have a "democracy" or "republic" like the U.S., it's impossible for every policy to be effective. At the end of the day, the citizens are still being given the power to do whatever they want.

However, it doesn't mean that the government should neglect policies... At the very least, they still play a large role in preventing the problem from becoming worse.

By letting people abuse the welfare system, you're only inviting more people to drain the budget that is designed for the unfortunate.
 

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I don't understand why we have to wait for a widespread abuse to happen first before we start implementing new laws to prevent it. That's counterproductive. Drugs aren't a friend to mankind. Scientific evidence shows that addiction to drugs will cause severe health consequences for the user and possibly impair normal growth and development in their offspring.

The reason why other developed nations don't have a problem is because they don't even have drugs in their society to begin with. They have actual laws that ban the use of drugs, making them illegal for recreational purposes. Their citizens are disciplined and educated about the detrimental effects of stuff like cocaine and heroin.

Though, if somebody has a proposal to fix the system so that it doesn't get abused, then I wouldn't mind seeing the plan. It's a lot easier said than done, trust me.



And not all drug addicts want to go to rehab. That's a big assumption that people want to get off drugs. In reality, that's not the case.

Laws exist to control the general population. That's why they have to be put in place, regardless of whether it's effective or not. We need formal rules to distinguish between what is legal and illegal.

Laws aren't there to win a political war. They are necessary to establish order, control its citizens, and contribute to the well-being of society.
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Which is why I think being educated about drugs is important.

It may be unfortunate that those drug users were never informed about the risks that they are taking, but that doesn't mean that society should let them hang loose. Not only will the drug users themselves pay the consequences, but society will also be affected in the process.

It will produce an entire new generation of individuals who have no concept about the health problems associated with drugs.

If we want to help them, it's better to stop them first, then try to reason with them.
Amsterdam man. The Netherlands has almost every drug legal and there isn't a problem because they have a support system. Portugal had a drug problem in the 1990s and made it legal to buy but illegal to sell and it's way cleaner. Again, you are thinking about drug use from your perspective who is not an addict. Some people were on painkillers and got addicted then resorted to drugs. Some people are just high riskers. You could give all the education you want but people will still do drugs. They could go to the best rehab but that doesn't magically make them clean. It's a struggle for an addict and placing laws to discourage behaviour will never work. Not everyone avoids things just because the law forbids it.
 

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Amsterdam man. The Netherlands has almost every drug legal and there isn't a problem because they have a support system. Portugal had a drug problem in the 1990s and made it legal to buy but illegal to sell and it's way cleaner. Again, you are thinking about drug use from your perspective who is not an addict. Some people were on painkillers and got addicted then resorted to drugs. Some people are just high riskers. You could give all the education you want but people will still do drugs. They could go to the best rehab but that doesn't magically make them clean. It's a struggle for an addict and placing laws to discourage behaviour will never work. Not everyone avoids things just because the law forbids it.

Only soft drugs (like marijuana) are legal in the Netherlands. Not hard drugs like cocaine or heroin. Those are still illegal.

Not to mention, Holland believes that people are responsible for their own health. Which means that individuals who use drugs will have to face the consequences for their own actions.

Don't get me wrong, I'm the same way. I couldn't care less what people do to their body. I have no right to control their lives.

But I draw a line when it starts affecting other people in society, especially if a baby is born addicted to drugs because the mother chose to take drugs while pregnant.



As for Portugal, I'm not quite sure what you mean. It's legal to buy, but illegal to sell? The only way that works is if the drugs are sold by the state or government in controlled amounts. Meaning that citizens cannot freely distribute drugs themselves, which is not the case in the U.S.



I already understand that some people are high risk-takers and don't like to follow the law.

But again, are we going to help them out or not?

If they don't want help, then by all means, they are free to do whatever they want. They just have to understand that the consequences will be their own to deal with when the time comes.

However, they can't expect society to fall to its knees and serve them because they made irresponsible choices. It's either one way or the other, they can't have both.
 

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Only soft drugs (like marijuana) are legal in the Netherlands. Not hard drugs like cocaine or heroin. Those are still illegal.

Not to mention, Holland believes that people are responsible for their own health. Which means that individuals who use drugs will have to face the consequences for their own actions.

Don't get me wrong, I'm the same way. I couldn't care less what people do to their body. I have no right to control their lives.

But I draw a line when it starts affecting other people in society, especially if a baby is born addicted to drugs because the mother chose to take drugs while pregnant.



As for Portugal, I'm not quite sure what you mean. It's legal to buy, but illegal to sell? The only way that works is if the drugs are sold by the state or government in controlled amounts. Meaning that citizens cannot freely distribute drugs themselves, which is not the case in the U.S.



I already understand that some people are high risk-takers and don't like to follow the law.

But again, are we going to help them out or not?

If they don't want help, then by all means, they are free to do whatever they want. They just have to understand that the consequences will be their own to deal with when the time comes.

However, they can't expect society to fall to its knees and serve them because they made irresponsible choices. It's either one way or the other, they can't have both.
It's illegal to sell drugs but using isn't a crime. Meaning those that are addicted won't go to jail, where they don't belong. I mean, why put drug dealers in an institution with drug addicts? Netherlands has a tolerance policy because they know there will always be users and saving lives is more important.

Everyone makes stupid decisions and how do you know they aren't thinking of the consequences? Helping people out doesn't mean punishing them but treating them like a human being will. No one is expecting a handout just the proper resources.
 

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Helping people out doesn't mean punishing them but treating them like a human being will.
It doesn't matter how they use the drug, they use it, they get put into a cell. It has definitely worked in the War on Drugs and it will work today in tackling drug users!
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Making cocaine and heroin illegal will give cops a reason to arrest the drug addicts and put them in jail.

As for the street selling, I don't really care if it's 25% heroin and 75% other stuff. If these crack addicts want the drug so badly, then it's up to them to find the better quality drugs. I'm not gonna go out of my way to help them find the healthiest drug around.

Again, it's their body, they can do whatever they want. They just can't complain when they have to face the health consequences.

Obviously, I can't stop every drug addict, I'm well aware of that. There will always be people who will get them from the black market and other private dealings. Laws are put in place to govern the general population, not the addicts. That's the only way you're gonna have order in society.

As for the people who want to break the rules, they can... but I can only do so much to help them after they've made their choices.




Sure, but why make it easier for people to take advantage of the system?

If they want to drain money from programs that are designed to help out the unfortunate, might as well make them jump through a few loops.

Just because there are other ways to make money, it doesn't mean that we should let the doors wide open for them to abuse the system.
which does nothing but waste taxpayers' money and provide cheap labor for companies. If the addicts get out, there's a good chance they'll keep using drugs. instead of arresting them, more should be done to help them. there are way worse people than addicts that belong in jail.

Who even said you have to go out of your way? No one is gonna ask you so don't worry about it. the point is that legalizing drugs can help the addicts and keep them safer.

I don't think most of them do, but that's just an assumption. Do you know any addict? Do you know if any of them complained when they faced the consequences?

Some laws are bullshit designed to restrict/control people or benefit the government/certain groups. Some laws might have been created to get more prisoners for cheap labor, which seems to be likely given how easily black men are incarcerated and how they get a longer sentence than white men for the same crime.

If you don't want to help them, don't. No one said you HAVE to help them.


How would it make it easier for people to take advantage of the system? How would the system be taken advantage of? Do you know anything about this, or are you parroting what Trump/conservatives say about welfare system being taken advantage of?

Point is, preventing them from getting unemployment benefits isn't going to keep drugs out of their hands.

The reason why other developed nations don't have a problem is because they don't even have drugs in their society to begin with. They have actual laws that ban the use of drugs, making them illegal for recreational purposes. Their citizens are disciplined and educated about the detrimental effects of stuff like cocaine and heroin.
What? where did you even get this from? If you think countries like England aren't developed, then what would you consider developed? Laws banning drugs don't help shit, and I don't understand how anyone could think that.


Alcohol was banned. Didn't prevent people from getting and drinking alcohol. Saw a rise in gangsters as well because they could make and sell alcohol.
Abortion was banned. Didn't stop women from getting abortions.
Drugs are banned. Doesn't stop people from getting and selling drugs. Also sees cartels and gangs making more money.

Discipline and education won't stop anyone from doing shit like cocaine and heroin.
 

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It's illegal to sell drugs but using isn't a crime. Meaning those that are addicted won't go to jail, where they don't belong. I mean, why put drug dealers in an institution with drug addicts? Netherlands has a tolerance policy because they know there will always be users and saving lives is more important.

Everyone makes stupid decisions and how do you know they aren't thinking of the consequences? Helping people out doesn't mean punishing them but treating them like a human being will. No one is expecting a handout just the proper resources.

I understand, but how are they going to use drugs if selling it is banned? The only way that is the case is if the state or government is in control of the distribution of drugs, which isn't the case in the U.S.

I'm not comparing drug dealers and drug addicts. The problem is that the United States is based on economic competition and individual freedom. It's impossible to control the amount of drugs sold because private dealings and the black market exist. Sellers will do whatever it takes to make the largest profit.



Who said we're punishing them?

By giving them unemployment benefits, they are getting paid for being off drugs. That's extremely lenient and will actually help out the drug users more than they realize.

The only drug addicts we punish are cocaine and heroin users, because those are illegal, since they provide drastic health consequences for reproduction (babies become addicted to drugs before they are born) and the overall society.

The Netherlands also ban the use of cocaine and heroin, so I don't see why the U.S. is being the targeted one here. Many countries around the world actually have stricter prohibition laws on drugs as well as worse criminal offenses for using them.

But only the U.S. gets blamed because people just want political bragging rights.

From a global perspective, there is a general and obvious consensus that drugs will hinder society as a whole. The negative effects that drugs have are also scientifically proven by medical studies.
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which does nothing but waste taxpayers' money and provide cheap labor for companies. If the addicts get out, there's a good chance they'll keep using drugs. instead of arresting them, more should be done to help them. there are way worse people than addicts that belong in jail.

Cocaine and heroin are hard drugs. That means kids who are born from drug addicts will have to suffer health consequences their entire lives because of their parents. Those types of drugs will impair a child's growth and development as well as produce hazardous effects on their health.

That's why they have to be outlawed. Asian and European countries also ban cocaine and heroin, so the U.S. isn't the lone wolf here.

Who even said you have to go out of your way? No one is gonna ask you so don't worry about it. the point is that legalizing drugs can help the addicts and keep them safer.

That was a rhetorical statement.

Obviously, I'm not gonna go out of my way or do anything about it. It's not my business and I have no interest to control somebody's life. And besides, I couldn't care less because I'm not the one that has to face the consequences.

I don't think most of them do, but that's just an assumption. Do you know any addict? Do you know if any of them complained when they faced the consequences?

Some laws are bullshit designed to restrict/control people or benefit the government/certain groups. Some laws might have been created to get more prisoners for cheap labor, which seems to be likely given how easily black men are incarcerated and how they get a longer sentence than white men for the same crime.

How would it make it easier for people to take advantage of the system? How would the system be taken advantage of? Do you know anything about this, or are you parroting what Trump/conservatives say about welfare system being taken advantage of?

Point is, preventing them from getting unemployment benefits isn't going to keep drugs out of their hands.

People who are addicted to drugs aren't job ready. You can't drive a truck while being intoxicated. Not only does it impair your senses, but it leads to abnormal behavior, such as violence in the workplace.

That causes huge problems for companies and businesses. They won't hire drug addicts.

And the government can't do anything about that. Drug addicts will be forever unemployed and can't get a job because employers don't want to hire somebody who is addicted to drugs.

That drains the welfare budget designed to help out unfortunate families who are struggling to find work.

The negative side-effects to drugs have been proven scientifically and medically. This isn't recent news.

If you don't want to help them, don't. No one said you HAVE to help them.

That's easy.

All the government needs to do is just not give them unemployment benefits.

The drug addicts are the ones who apply for assistance. They are the ones who are asking for help.


What? where did you even get this from? If you think countries like England aren't developed, then what would you consider developed? Laws banning drugs don't help shit, and I don't understand how anyone could think that.


Alcohol was banned. Didn't prevent people from getting and drinking alcohol. Saw a rise in gangsters as well because they could make and sell alcohol.
Abortion was banned. Didn't stop women from getting abortions.
Drugs are banned. Doesn't stop people from getting and selling drugs. Also sees cartels and gangs making more money.

Discipline and education won't stop anyone from doing shit like cocaine and heroin.

England isn't the only developed country out there. There are several others that I named in previous posts.

And again, alcohol is socially accepted globally because it actually provides health benefits for people who drink in moderation. The same cannot be said for drugs, since most of them only cause health complications.

Discipline and education won't stop people from taking cocaine and heroin, but laws will allow the police to be arrest them and put them in prison.
 

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which does nothing but waste taxpayers' money and provide cheap labor for companies. If the addicts get out, there's a good chance they'll keep using drugs. instead of arresting them, more should be done to help them. there are way worse people than addicts that belong in jail.

Who even said you have to go out of your way? No one is gonna ask you so don't worry about it. the point is that legalizing drugs can help the addicts and keep them safer.

I don't think most of them do, but that's just an assumption. Do you know any addict? Do you know if any of them complained when they faced the consequences?

Some laws are bullshit designed to restrict/control people or benefit the government/certain groups. Some laws might have been created to get more prisoners for cheap labor, which seems to be likely given how easily black men are incarcerated and how they get a longer sentence than white men for the same crime.

If you don't want to help them, don't. No one said you HAVE to help them.


How would it make it easier for people to take advantage of the system? How would the system be taken advantage of? Do you know anything about this, or are you parroting what Trump/conservatives say about welfare system being taken advantage of?

Point is, preventing them from getting unemployment benefits isn't going to keep drugs out of their hands.


What? where did you even get this from? If you think countries like England aren't developed, then what would you consider developed? Laws banning drugs don't help shit, and I don't understand how anyone could think that.


Alcohol was banned. Didn't prevent people from getting and drinking alcohol. Saw a rise in gangsters as well because they could make and sell alcohol.
Abortion was banned. Didn't stop women from getting abortions.
Drugs are banned. Doesn't stop people from getting and selling drugs. Also sees cartels and gangs making more money.

Discipline and education won't stop anyone from doing shit like cocaine and heroin.
You forgot prostitution ;) Nevada is really ranking in the tax dollars from that and prostitutes are cleaner/safer.
 
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Cocaine and heroin are hard drugs. That means kids who are born from drug addicts will have to suffer health consequences their entire lives because of their parents. Those types of drugs will impair a child's growth and development as well as produce hazardous effects on their health.

That's why they have to be outlawed. Asian and European countries also ban cocaine and heroin, so the U.S. isn't the lone wolf here.
Higher risk of that, yeah. But again, how does banning drugs help? they'll still find a way to get their hands on drugs. I feel like you know near to nothing about drug addiction or addicts, and you keep proving that more and more.

Still doesn't stop people from those countries from getting their hands on drugs.




That was a rhetorical statement.

Obviously, I'm not gonna go out of my way or do anything about it. It's not my business and I have no interest to control somebody's life. And besides, I couldn't care less because I'm not the one that has to face the consequences.
Doesn't matter, it said a lot about you when you rhetorically said "I'm not gonna go out of my way." Which makes no sense anyway, unless you'd be in that line of business.

You do if addicts are jailed and punished. I don't want my tax money going to punishing addicts instead of helping them. In any case, you care enough.




People who are addicted to drugs aren't job ready. You can't drive a truck while being intoxicated. Not only does it impair your senses, but it leads to abnormal behavior, such as violence in the workplace.

That causes huge problems for companies and businesses. They won't hire drug addicts.

And the government can't do anything about that. Drug addicts will be forever unemployed and can't get a job because employers don't want to hire somebody who is addicted to drugs.

That drains the welfare budget designed to help out unfortunate families who are struggling to find work.

The negative side-effects to drugs have been proven scientifically and medically. This isn't recent news.
Says who? You do know being an addict doesn't mean being high or intoxicated 24/7, right? A drug user can drive a truck or operate heavy machinery, depending on the drug, how addicted he is, and how often he takes it. An alcoholic can still drive without an issue, sober, but he'd still be addicted because he'd consume tons of alcohol after work. Philip Seymour Hoffman, despite doing drugs, was still giving out great performances.

Yeah, they won't hire drug addicts, but they'd have to know the addicts are actually addicts. And as far as I recall, aren't republicans for lowering welfare budget? And I think it's the non-addicts who're draining more of the budget than addicts. I don't know how many addicts are on unemployment benefits though, or how many of them were able to get said benefits. It's not easy.


As far as I recall, marijuana/weed have been cited to be safe and have far more positive effect than any other drug. Yet it's illegal. Drugs aren't illegal just because they're dangerous and bad, they're also illegal in order to get more people jailed.




That's easy.

All the government needs to do is just not give them unemployment benefits.

The drug addicts are the ones who apply for assistance. They are the ones who are asking for help.





England isn't the only developed country out there. There are several others that I named in previous posts.

And again, alcohol is socially accepted globally because it actually provides health benefits for people who drink in moderation. The same cannot be said for drugs, since most of them only cause health complications.

Discipline and education won't stop people from taking cocaine and heroin, but laws will allow the police to be arrest them and put them in prison.
how would that even work? Are they gonna come to everyone who applies' homes and either say "hey you look like a drug addict, NO BENEFIT FOR YOU!!" or "you look clean, you get all the benefits!"??? Because that's a horrible solution. And if they're asking for help, then they should be given help.


And how do you know there's no problem in other countries?

Alcohol is socially accepted because it brings in money for the government, and there's no point in banning it. What benefit does alcohol provide? there are tons of alcoholics, many who turn into bad people when they drink or drink too much. And then there's drunk driving, and a lot of people have been killed by drunk driving. I've rarely heard about addicts getting into car accidents or addicted drivers killing someone, not compared to drunk driving. Drugs aren't so dangerous either, as long as they're done in moderation. With that logic, most drugs shouldn't be banned as most of the complications come from doing too much or frequently.


And it won't stop them from doing cocaine or heroin in prison as well, or relapsing when they get out. Arresting addicts is dumb, and better energy can be used to arrest people like pedophiles (one or two whom Trump defended/sides with), bankers (hurt our economy with their deceitful ways), and etc. I believe there are also stats out that black men caught with drugs are more likely to get jail time and more likely to get longer jail time than white people. Makes one wonder about the law.
You forgot prostitution ;) Nevada is really ranking in the tax dollars from that and prostitutes are cleaner/safer.
This is exactly why I want prostitution to be legalized everywhere or at least, prostitutes be allowed to seek help without fear or issues.
 

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Net Neutrality vote will happen on December 14.

This is a serious issue, because it affects everyone, both in the United States and outside. Unless you love the concept of "Pay-to-Play", into some form of masochism by ISP companies fucking you and your wallets, and/or own stocks from big companies like Comcast and Verizon, you're not going to love it when Net Neutrality gets repealed.
 
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Net Neutrality vote will happen on December 14.

This is a serious issue, because it affects everyone, both in the United States and outside. Unless you love the concept of "Pay-to-Play", into some form of masochism by ISP companies fucking you and your wallets, and/or own stocks from big companies like Comcast and Verizon, you're not going to love it when Net Neutrality gets repealed.
Broadcast distribution always ends up being their copyright lawyers’ pissing contest. In Canada, we don’t have nearly the amount of legal anime as the US because of distribution rights. It’s a lot of lost revenue but lawyers don’t seem to understand. This will further illegal streaming because if someone can’t get GOT through legal means they will just find another way.
 

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The main issue when it comes to net neutrality is ISP charging website owners over what speed viewers can access their websites. It's a greedy move which benefits literally no one but ISPs, harms websites that get charged and screws over people who already pay for an internet speed. You also have ISPs being able to control what people can or not view which is in itself extremely troubling.... It's the end of open Internet.

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Higher risk of that, yeah. But again, how does banning drugs help? they'll still find a way to get their hands on drugs. I feel like you know near to nothing about drug addiction or addicts, and you keep proving that more and more.

Still doesn't stop people from those countries from getting their hands on drugs.

Banning drugs help because laws are necessary to govern society and maintain order.

Look, what you're saying is that there should be no laws to restrict drugs because people will get their hands on them anyways. By that logic, murder and rape should not be illegal because criminals are gonna kill innocent civilians either way.

In order for society to function, we need laws that can control people and lead them in the right direction, regardless if the rules are broken.

Making drugs illegal will give courts and other law enforcement officials the power to arrest individuals who break the law.

I don't want my tax money going to punishing addicts instead of helping them. In any case, you care enough.

So basically, what you're worried about is your tax money...

If your tax money is what you're worried about, then do you realize who's gonna pay for all the drug users' health bills? Healthcare in the U.S. isn't cheap. It's easily several times more expensive than the cost to punish criminals.



Like I said before, drugs will put people at higher risk for cardiovascular disease, brain damage, seizures, respiratory complications, liver problems, kidney failures, and mental health issues.

If drug addicts start lining up at the hospital with no health insurance, somebody is going to have to pay for that.

And your tax money is the first thing that the government will use to pay the bills.

Not to mention, the drug addicts will produce children with even more health problems. You're going to have a whole new generation of addicts that are in poor health.

The cost shouldn't even be part of the discussion here. The health and well-being of society is the main focus..

If you really want to help out the drug addicts, the first step is to eliminate what's actually causing them health problems to begin with.

Says who? You do know being an addict doesn't mean being high or intoxicated 24/7, right? A drug user can drive a truck or operate heavy machinery, depending on the drug, how addicted he is, and how often he takes it. An alcoholic can still drive without an issue, sober, but he'd still be addicted because he'd consume tons of alcohol after work. Philip Seymour Hoffman, despite doing drugs, was still giving out great performances.

Yeah, they won't hire drug addicts, but they'd have to know the addicts are actually addicts. And as far as I recall, aren't republicans for lowering welfare budget? And I think it's the non-addicts who're draining more of the budget than addicts. I don't know how many addicts are on unemployment benefits though, or how many of them were able to get said benefits. It's not easy.


As far as I recall, marijuana/weed have been cited to be safe and have far more positive effect than any other drug. Yet it's illegal. Drugs aren't illegal just because they're dangerous and bad, they're also illegal in order to get more people jailed.

A drug addict will obviously be intoxicated. That's the definition of addiction. Same goes with the alcoholics.

The only difference is that alcohol doesn't last very long in your body. Which means if a police stops a drunk driver, it's easy to prove to the court that the driver was drinking irresponsibly a few hours ago.

The same cannot be said for drugs because drugs can last several days in a person's bloodstream. People who take drugs regularly throughout the week will be intoxicated for up to 7 days.

That means if they use marijuana the night before, they will still be considered intoxicated when they drive the next day.

Maybe you can give out great performances while being high, but driving on the freeway is an entirely different matter.



I doubt it's hard for an employer to tell whether their applicant is high or not. People can tell stoners and crack addicts apart from the general population. And besides, some companies to require their employees to undergo drug screening.

I agree that marijuana/weed is not that dangerous of a drug, but drug screenings don't only screen for cannabis.

Marijuana might have positive effects for temporary medical relief, but it still results in slower perception as well as interfere with your awareness.

how would that even work? Are they gonna come to everyone who applies' homes and either say "hey you look like a drug addict, NO BENEFIT FOR YOU!!" or "you look clean, you get all the benefits!"??? Because that's a horrible solution. And if they're asking for help, then they should be given help.


And how do you know there's no problem in other countries?

Alcohol is socially accepted because it brings in money for the government, and there's no point in banning it. What benefit does alcohol provide? there are tons of alcoholics, many who turn into bad people when they drink or drink too much. And then there's drunk driving, and a lot of people have been killed by drunk driving. I've rarely heard about addicts getting into car accidents or addicted drivers killing someone, not compared to drunk driving. Drugs aren't so dangerous either, as long as they're done in moderation. With that logic, most drugs shouldn't be banned as most of the complications come from doing too much or frequently.


And it won't stop them from doing cocaine or heroin in prison as well, or relapsing when they get out. Arresting addicts is dumb, and better energy can be used to arrest people like pedophiles (one or two whom Trump defended/sides with), bankers (hurt our economy with their deceitful ways), and etc. I believe there are also stats out that black men caught with drugs are more likely to get jail time and more likely to get longer jail time than white people. Makes one wonder about the law.

I wasn't talking about a solution. I was just replying to your statement about "drug addicts not asking for help". By applying for unemployment benefits, it's obvious that they are requesting government assistance. If they want help, they need to comply with the government's rules, which means passing the drug tests.



Again, I can't necessarily speak for all the European countries, but I'm quite familiar with the Asian culture. They don't have drug problems like here in the U.S. because their laws and penalties for taking drugs is a lot stricter.

Additionally, families discipline and prohibit their kids from using drugs at an early age.

Drug are highly opposed by the majority of citizens in Asian societies.



As for benefits of alcohol, there are scientific studies that show people who drink alcoholic beverages in moderation have reduced risks of heart disease, strokes, and diabetes.

There are actually numerous health benefits in alcohol if people drink responsibly.



And even if we were to assume that prisoners use cocaine and heroin in jail, it's still not gonna affect society. What prisoners do in jail is up to the correctional facilities.

Also, why not arrest cocaine/heroin users, bankers, and pedophiles?

I don't see a reason why they can't all be put in jail...
 
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