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That's so naive dude. You don't see the horror stories that kids stuck in the foster care system tell? I'm not trying to use too broad of a brush, but the fact remains, foster parents receive a lot of money from the government...and that money isn't appearing out of thin air and it trumps anything Planned Parenthood receives many times over. But abortion doesn't exist simply to reduce the burden on the state, it's matter of personal freedom. Go read Roe vs Wade, it's cut and dry.

I don't know where you got that idea, but that isn't true at all. Physicians who accept medicaid are already basically working for free, especially since there is no doctor or hospital who doesn't have bills left unpaid.
What do you mean? Doctor's offices and Hospitals do hit bankrupt, close, or have and doctors do do free work.
How is abortion a personal freedom, what about the babies freedom to live? The future it is being deprived of by the selfish parents? The babies rights are being infringed upon at the sake of the mother's bad life choice. Its not ethical or logical.
 

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I don't think the hypothetical of the US not being a thing is relevant here. In the end the US exists... And ultimate I doubt there is much of a chance of a war between the US and russia/china. The US and china are way to closely relate through trade, we are talking about hundreds of billions of dollars. Even the slightest fear of war would cripple both economies. Russian economy is to crippled at the moment to really do much. Oil prices and sanctions have affected russia way more than putin would ever admit. If there ever is a confrontation rusia and the US it would likely be no more than a small confrontation in a remote nation... All in all the US economy right now is rather solid (safe for the markets going down last week) whereas the russian and chinese economies are somewhat absolutely screwed. The simple fact is that the US economy has recovered incredibly over the last few years and the idea that rusia or china have the economy, technology or military strength to compete with the US in those regard is simply not based on any facts. And to top it all off, US allies have a rather favorable view of the US right now, at least better than during the past decades. The way I see it the US is not only the most powerful nation in the world, it's the most powerful it has ever been...
If anything, we'd probably get into another cold war.

The way I see it, Obama played a part in the allies seeing us more favorably. Bush hurt our image, and Trump is already hurting our image. I don't know how they feel about the other candidates though.
They dont have to have children and a family until they are financially stable and well established. Clearly if the military was increased in size then more people could go into the military, leading to increased jobs in numerous industries, leading to, more women working, thereby increasing the amount of women on insurance, and being able to use it for having children, childcare, and more. If someone is going to make bad life decisions and cause ME to bear the financial weight of their burden due to downstream effects (meaning I have to pay more in healthcare and taxes), then I think it is logical that I would get to have a say in the matter. Therefore, we should not have such an organization that provides support for people who make bad life decisions. More jobs and financial stability for people will cause less people to make bad life decisions, so instead of funding such useless organizations we fund job creation. In other cases, children can be put into the foster care system or sent to group homes.

Hospitals and primary physicians are more than capable of handling healthcare needs and healthcare education. Better health education and programs that teach abstinence in schools is able to thwart the need for baby killing and making bad life decisions.
But life happens, and given that rape exists, I'd say abortions are necessary. And there's a limit to how many people can join the military? Isn't it already big enough? I have not heard about size limit stopping people from going into the military, but I highly doubt this will increase jobs in industries as much as fixing and building new infrastructure like roads and buildings would.

You don't know what Planned Parenthood does, at all. Like most other anti-abortionists, you are ignorant and refuse to acknowledge the fact that the organization does more than abortions. It's a safe center where women can seek help for free in almost anything. More jobs and financial stability won't cause less people to make bad life decisions, nor will it reduce abortion. If we're about getting rid of useless organizations, let's get rid of NRA as all they do is support giving more people guns and contribute absolutely nothing but disgust to society. Planned Parenthood does far more than most organizations ever will, and it's disgusting that people like you and other conservatives are too dumb and ignorant to realize that. Republicans don't want to fund job creation, they want to fund whatever gets them the most money and votes. Putting children into the foster care system or sendin them to group homes won't help, and it's still up to the mom to make the decision. It's her body, she has the right to get an abortion or have the baby.

... Planned Parenthood provides free or discounted services to men and women, with the key being safe and without judgment. I'm pretty sure hospitals and physicians can charge money for services, while physicians don't deal primarily with feminine issues. It also helps teach people about sex education, and does far more than abortions. You may not like your "hard earned" money going into a good organization, but I guess you'll have to deal with it, just as I have to deal with my hard earned money going wastefully into defense and warfare.

lol baby killing. So hypocritical because when the baby is born, pro-lifers stop giving a shit about the babies and refuse to want to support them. Spare me the whole baby killing BS pro-lifers come up with.

Health education in school is good. They teach abstinence, but they're not dumb enough to believe that teaching abstinence will solve problems, unlike most parents. Teaching the proper and safe way to have sex is far better than saying "no sex!" Instead of tryin to stop sex, work to reduce the chances of pregnancy, STD, and any other harmful effects.

I know republicans don't like to read anything that they don't agree with, but Planned Parenthood describes what they do and what they offer. Planned Parenthood does more good for people than almost any other organization. It pisses me off that anyone would want to deny women and even men a right to safe and in many cases, free health care that can benefit them.

Well, society and individuals by extension have to deal with the "bad decisions" with or without planned parenthood. Planned parenthood isn't just abortions: Going by wikipedia:


That said, helping people out with birth control, cancer screening, medical advise... all of that actually saves money in the long term for taxpayers. I have my own reservations about abortions however with the amount of services provided with planned parenthood a significant number of them can be prevented in the first place by merely educating people.
lol, if anti-Planned Parenthood understood what Planned Parenthood is really about, there wouldn't be any discussion, and people would be happy that PP is getting funded. I don't even like abortion, but it's up to the women whether they want to get an abortion or not.

Another reason why I won't be voting for a republican candidate. But to be fair, republicans and democrats would rather watch the world burn than compromise with each other.
That stuff can easily be done by regular healthcare facilities, they probably even get doctors who are already hired by such facilities to do these things. Its just redundancy for funding something that is already redundant, a waste of money.
No it can't. If it could, then Planned Parenthood wouldn't be popular in the first place. I don't understand how anyone can call Planned Parenthood a waste of money but want to increase spending in warfare and defense without carin about how mismanaged the spending is.
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What do you mean? Doctor's offices and Hospitals do hit bankrupt, close, or have and doctors do do free work.
How is abortion a personal freedom, what about the babies freedom to live? The future it is being deprived of by the selfish parents? The babies rights are being infringed upon at the sake of the mother's bad life choice. Its not ethical or logical.
And it's logical or ethical for the anti-abortionists to be against supporting family and kids who need welfare? the baby can't think on its own, the mom can. And if her life is threatened by the baby, she should have the right to go with abortion or not. It's more selfish to keep the baby knowing you can't take care of it than it is to get an abortion.
 

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But life happens, and given that rape exists, I'd say abortions are necessary. And there's a limit to how many people can join the military? Isn't it already big enough? I have not heard about size limit stopping people from going into the military, but I highly doubt this will increase jobs in industries as much as fixing and building new infrastructure like roads and buildings would.

You don't know what Planned Parenthood does, at all. Like most other anti-abortionists, you are ignorant and refuse to acknowledge the fact that the organization does more than abortions. It's a safe center where women can seek help for free in almost anything. More jobs and financial stability won't cause less people to make bad life decisions, nor will it reduce abortion. If we're about getting rid of useless organizations, let's get rid of NRA as all they do is support giving more people guns and contribute absolutely nothing but disgust to society. Planned Parenthood does far more than most organizations ever will, and it's disgusting that people like you and other conservatives are too dumb and ignorant to realize that. Republicans don't want to fund job creation, they want to fund whatever gets them the most money and votes. Putting children into the foster care system or sendin them to group homes won't help, and it's still up to the mom to make the decision. It's her body, she has the right to get an abortion or have the baby.

... Planned Parenthood provides free or discounted services to men and women, with the key being safe and without judgment. I'm pretty sure hospitals and physicians can charge money for services, while physicians don't deal primarily with feminine issues. It also helps teach people about sex education, and does far more than abortions. You may not like your "hard earned" money going into a good organization, but I guess you'll have to deal with it, just as I have to deal with my hard earned money going wastefully into defense and warfare.

lol baby killing. So hypocritical because when the baby is born, pro-lifers stop giving a shit about the babies and refuse to want to support them. Spare me the whole baby killing BS pro-lifers come up with.

Health education in school is good. They teach abstinence, but they're not dumb enough to believe that teaching abstinence will solve problems, unlike most parents. Teaching the proper and safe way to have sex is far better than saying "no sex!" Instead of tryin to stop sex, work to reduce the chances of pregnancy, STD, and any other harmful effects.

I know republicans don't like to read anything that they don't agree with, but Planned Parenthood describes what they do and what they offer. Planned Parenthood does more good for people than almost any other organization. It pisses me off that anyone would want to deny women and even men a right to safe and in many cases, free health care that can benefit them.
All of those services can be done in health centers, primacy physicians, and doctors offices. I dont understand the need for them going to these facilities when they would already be served by a regular doctor anyway. But more so, none of these things would even need to be done if they were not making bad life decisions. I said it previously but enhancing the way of life, the job security, and education of these people will eliminate the need for having these services. Everyone would be merry and happy with their own health insurance funding these medical issues they have. You only make bad life decisions when there is financial insecurity leading to domestic insecurity or things that shake up the traditional family structure. Family structure isnt shaken up when their is financial stability, and there is financial stability when there are jobs. So the more jobs there are the more their is financial stability.


No it can't. If it could, then Planned Parenthood wouldn't be popular in the first place. I don't understand how anyone can call Planned Parenthood a waste of money but want to increase spending in warfare and defense without carin about how mismanaged the spending is.
You need a safe and secure country to raise a family in. Would people utilized planned parenthood services even be financially secure individuals?

And it's logical or ethical for the anti-abortionists to be against supporting family and kids who need welfare? the baby can't think on its own, the mom can. And if her life is threatened by the baby, she should have the right to go with abortion or not. It's more selfish to keep the baby knowing you can't take care of it than it is to get an abortion.
The mom is the one who brought the baby into fruition, the baby has no way to voice whether it wanted to be brought into fruition or not, so now the mother is bound to bring the baby to fruition. I think the moment she decided to get pregnant is the time that she forfeited her own freedoms and rights and became tied with bring the babies freedom and rights to life. You dont kill someone who has no voice just because. She should not have the right to end the babys life in any situation I think or else she would be no better off than a murderer. If she does then she ought to face jailtime or criminal charges like drunk drivers do when they kill someone while drunk driving etc.

It is not selfish to bring the baby to life as the baby can be a working member of society that can quickly become another person who may incite change in the world. Financially another new life can aid in adding to the number of employed workers and is a new potential source of tax dollers and increased consumer spending.
 

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Are we really going to argue about abortion still in 2016?
 

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All of those services can be done in health centers, primacy physicians, and doctors offices. I dont understand the need for them going to these facilities when they would already be served by a regular doctor anyway. But more so, none of these things would even need to be done if they were not making bad life decisions. I said it previously but enhancing the way of life, the job security, and education of these people will eliminate the need for having these services. Everyone would be merry and happy with their own health insurance funding these medical issues they have. You only make bad life decisions when there is financial insecurity leading to domestic insecurity or things that shake up the traditional family structure. Family structure isnt shaken up when their is financial stability, and there is financial stability when there are jobs. So the more jobs there are the more their is financial stability.
If you don't understand the need, then you won't understand anything. Maybe if you actually try talking to someone who needed Planned Parenthood, you might understand better.

Decision to have sex is not a bad life decision, and I don't see how you can blame women for getting raped and wanting an abortion. If history has taught us anything, improving way of life, job security, and education won't help, and these services will still be required. It doesn't seem like you understand anything.



You need a safe and secure country to raise a family in. Would people utilized planned parenthood services even be financially secure individuals?



The mom is the one who brought the baby into fruition, the baby has no way to voice whether it wanted to be brought into fruition or not, so now the mother is bound to bring the baby to fruition. I think the moment she decided to get pregnant is the time that she forfeited her own freedoms and rights and became tied with bring the babies freedom and rights to life. You dont kill someone who has no voice just because. She should not have the right to end the babys life in any situation I think or else she would be no better off than a murderer. If she does then she ought to face jailtime or criminal charges like drunk drivers do when they kill someone while drunk driving etc.

It is not selfish to bring the baby to life as the baby can be a working member of society that can quickly become another person who may incite change in the world. Financially another new life can aid in adding to the number of employed workers and is a new potential source of tax dollers and increased consumer spending.
Yes, even financially secure individuals would utilize Planned Parenthood services. If you think people who make poor life decisions or aren't well off use Planned Parenthood, then you are very ignorant.

No she's not. Her body, her choice. Why do you even care anyway? You're not affected by abortions, which has been happenin for well over 50 years. If you really care about lives, then why not argue for stricter gun controls when guns take away more lives than abortions? Or do babies not matter after they're born?

It is selfish to bring the baby to life when it can't be supported. The baby raised in a bad environment is more likely to grow up to be a criminal and be detrimental to society, especially if republicans have their way. But this further indicates you haven't experienced life, or that you can't see things from others' point of view.

Despite republicans advocating for more freedom and less government interference, they have no problem whatsoever stripping away freedom and getting the government interfere if it results in getting what they want, from tryin to ban abortion and same sex marriage to tryin to block Muslims from entering and forcing Mexico to build a wall. :fail
 

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If you don't understand the need, then you won't understand anything. Maybe if you actually try talking to someone who needed Planned Parenthood, you might understand better.

Decision to have sex is not a bad life decision, and I don't see how you can blame women for getting raped and wanting an abortion. If history has taught us anything, improving way of life, job security, and education won't help, and these services will still be required. It doesn't seem like you understand anything.
Some states have over 70000 abortions a year (Texas), I highly doubt 70000 women are being raped in some states THAT much (because (~300000 rape + sexaul assault happen each year)) worst yet no way does ever rape lead to pregnancy (since people are on birh control)). To imply that abortion is only happening from assault is very odd IMO. Therefore, I do find it odd that people are making bad life choices to have sex that much to lead to baby making when they dont have the means or living situation to support one, thusly leading to abortion. Abortions are happening all over the place and it is our, taxpayers job, to try to find ways to restrict or even eliminate them from happening. We bear the tax burden of the decision of these people who make bad life decisions, and in fact its partly the governments fault because the government chases companies out of the country leading to massive layoffs thereby forcing people into bad living situations leading to making bad life decisions.

And clearly the people using planned parenthood and not their primary care physician is in a situation which they are in a bad living situation of either not having an emotional support network thats open to sharing concerns or in financially difficult situations (bad living situations).




Yes, even financially secure individuals would utilize Planned Parenthood services. If you think people who make poor life decisions or aren't well off use Planned Parenthood, then you are very ignorant.

No she's not. Her body, her choice. Why do you even care anyway? You're not affected by abortions, which has been happenin for well over 50 years. If you really care about lives, then why not argue for stricter gun controls when guns take away more lives than abortions? Or do babies not matter after they're born?

It is selfish to bring the baby to life when it can't be supported. The baby raised in a bad environment is more likely to grow up to be a criminal and be detrimental to society, especially if republicans have their way. But this further indicates you haven't experienced life, or that you can't see things from others' point of view.

Despite republicans advocating for more freedom and less government interference, they have no problem whatsoever stripping away freedom and getting the government interfere if it results in getting what they want, from tryin to ban abortion and same sex marriage to tryin to block Muslims from entering and forcing Mexico to build a wall. :fail
As Ive been constantly saying the focus ought to be improving the financial stability of peoples lives thereby making everyone more prosperous and happy. By doing that, there will be no strife since people will have nothing to grumble and complain about, nothing to try to jive and chide others about leading to bad living environments. And I would have to disagree with your statement. People living in inner city neighborhoods, and slums of America have managed to rise above being likely to grow up to be a criminal and detrimental to society and become real growers and changers of society. Adversity often leads to prosperity. Just because one is in a bad environment doesnt mean they are trapped their. With all the money people want spent on funding baby killing, money could instead be poured into improving the schools systems in numerous counties and cities in America.

The grand total of abortions performed per year would easily outweigh the number of gun deaths per year, meaning restricting or eliminating abortion would be more vital than trying to restrict or ban a recreational instrument for hunting/socializing at a shooting range. Its madness that people support baby killing just on the account of a selfish mother who cares nothing for the life that she is tasked to bring into the world. Do people who support abortion really feel nothing for the life that is ended or the mothers regrets over having killed a precious life?

I care about the life of other human beings and do not want to see anyone hurt or wronged, it pains me when I see the word abortion.

I do support same sex marriages clearly.

I do not support illegal immigration, it is illegal and more things need to be done to prevent people from getting into our country and stealing opportunities from hard working Americans.

Lastly, the Muslim faith needs to address their terrorist teachings and do something, until that is done then there is great danger faced in our very country when any could potentially turn terrorist.
 

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Lastly, the Muslim faith needs to address their terrorist teachings and do something
Address it how? You do know that Muslims are victims or terrorism more often than anyone else?
 

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Address it how? You do know that Muslims are victims or terrorism more often than anyone else?
Thats why they need to address their teachings, why else have muslims been fighting muslimes for hundreds of years? The last I checked Evangelical Christians arent attacking Jewish people, or Catholics attacking Latter Day Saints in America.
 

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It also just happens that most of these "terrorist" happen to be of the Muslim faith as well.
I don't recall anything of late of *insert other religion / people of other faith *
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commuting terrorist acts.


*God damn spelling - ah f@#$/o
 
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Thats why they need to address their teachings, why else have muslims been fighting muslimes for hundreds of years? The last I checked Evangelical Christians arent attacking Jewish people, or Catholics attacking Latter Day Saints in America.
But the teachings themselves aren't necessarily the issue. There are a ton of things in the Bible and Torah that are fucked up by modern standards. The reason islamic terrorists exist is also a societal and geopolitical one.
 

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And it all goes back to Muhammad's passing too.... If you see my post in the Paris attacks thread, you can kind of get why everything started going to shit after he passed away.
 

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Some states have over 70000 abortions a year (Texas), I highly doubt 70000 women are being raped in some states THAT much (because (~300000 rape + sexaul assault happen each year)) worst yet no way does ever rape lead to pregnancy (since people are on birh control)). To imply that abortion is only happening from assault is very odd IMO. Therefore, I do find it odd that people are making bad life choices to have sex that much to lead to baby making when they dont have the means or living situation to support one, thusly leading to abortion. Abortions are happening all over the place and it is our, taxpayers job, to try to find ways to restrict or even eliminate them from happening. We bear the tax burden of the decision of these people who make bad life decisions, and in fact its partly the governments fault because the government chases companies out of the country leading to massive layoffs thereby forcing people into bad living situations leading to making bad life decisions.
I've never said all abortions are due to rape... some abortions are, and why should women be forced to carry a memento of that horrible experience? And how does rape not lead to pregnancy? I doubt women have time to use birth control before they're raped.

Again, I fail to see how sex is a bad life choice. It's normal for people to have sex, and it's not like protection is 100% effective. If they don't have the means to support a baby, then they should be allowed to have an abortion.No, it's not our right to restrict or eliminate abortion, it is our right to make sure people get safe access to healthcare where they feel comfortable and pay as little as possible. We would bear far more tax burden if abortion did not exist.

I'd rather bear tax burden for something that actually helps the society, which is what Planned Parenthood does. I have no idea why you're so against what's better for society just so you can have the government waste more money on something that won't benefit the society. It's also the companies' fault for moving when they can easily afford to stay. I'm sure some companies can afford to pay more taxes, but they'd rather see more profits at the expense of others.

I still fail to see how sex is a poor life decision, especially when compared to owning guns (legally or otherwise).

And clearly the people using planned parenthood and not their primary care physician is in a situation which they are in a bad living situation of either not having an emotional support network thats open to sharing concerns or in financially difficult situations (bad living situations).
You should read the links that I provided and talk to the people who needed and used Planned Parenthood. It seems all republicans can think about is abortions. Yet the facts have it, Planned Parenthood have been cleared of any wrongdoing, so that means they're actually contributing something.






As Ive been constantly saying the focus ought to be improving the financial stability of peoples lives thereby making everyone more prosperous and happy. By doing that, there will be no strife since people will have nothing to grumble and complain about, nothing to try to jive and chide others about leading to bad living environments. And I would have to disagree with your statement. People living in inner city neighborhoods, and slums of America have managed to rise above being likely to grow up to be a criminal and detrimental to society and become real growers and changers of society. Adversity often leads to prosperity. Just because one is in a bad environment doesnt mean they are trapped their. With all the money people want spent on funding baby killing, money could instead be poured into improving the schools systems in numerous counties and cities in America.
And as I've constantly been saying, that is a very naive and poor way to fix things. Financial stability won't make much of a difference, especially given that many people who have kids aren't well off. How many people living in bad areas have risen above? What's the percent of those who became successful and contributed to society?

Apparently, Planned Parenthood cannot use the money it gets from the federal government for abortion, and Medicaid funds are only for rape, incest, and/or danger to the mother's lives. So basically, it seems the republicans are once again wrong as usual, and and the money people spend on Planned Parenthood are money spent to help family planning and provide safe and comfortable healthcare for women and men.

The grand total of abortions performed per year would easily outweigh the number of gun deaths per year, meaning restricting or eliminating abortion would be more vital than trying to restrict or ban a recreational instrument for hunting/socializing at a shooting range. Its madness that people support baby killing just on the account of a selfish mother who cares nothing for the life that she is tasked to bring into the world. Do people who support abortion really feel nothing for the life that is ended or the mothers regrets over having killed a precious life?
More guns are used to kill people than to hunt or socialize at a shooting range. There have been more deaths from handguns than from terrorist attacks, yet why is it people want more guns but are against abortions, which would actually be better for taxpayers?

Again, talk to the women who get abortions. A lot of women have said they hated the idea of getting abortions but they needed to for one reason or another. They felt like murderers and hated the decision, but it was necessary. A lot of women who get abortions aren't doing it out of selfish needs, and I'm sure if you actually talk to people instead of believing whatever you want to believe, you'd realize that. If they can't support a baby due to finance or time or bad husband, then why should they be forced to give birth? Why should they be forced to make their kids live miserable lives, whether with them or at foster homes or whatever? It's up to her to decide if she wants to get an abortion, she has the right to do so. It's her body, and neither you nor me can tell her otherwise.


Also, according to Fact Check, in 2011 or 2013, Planned Parenthood has performed about 3% of abortions, while 35% went to providing STD testing and treatment and another 35% went into contraception. If you even bothered to fact check and read from the other side, you'd actually understand what Planned Parenthood does. And it deserves to be funded and supported. I don't mind if women have to pay out of pocket for abortion though, but they deserve to get healthcare. Fact Check also says anti-abortionists who claim at least 90% of the services rendered by Planned Parenthood are abortions are full of shit.

I care about the life of other human beings and do not want to see anyone hurt or wronged, it pains me when I see the word abortion.

I do support same sex marriages clearly.

I do not support illegal immigration, it is illegal and more things need to be done to prevent people from getting into our country and stealing opportunities from hard working Americans.

Lastly, the Muslim faith needs to address their terrorist teachings and do something, until that is done then there is great danger faced in our very country when any could potentially turn terrorist.
Do you really? I highly doubt it. Are you really for supporting people and providing welfare to families, or are you just suggesting that because you don't like abortion? It seems most people against killing fetuses are content to throw it to the curb after it's born and not care about whether it lives or dies. Also, I still don't see why you care when you're not affected. And ironically, for someone who cares about the life of other human beings and not want to see anyone hurt or wronged, you have no issue with blocking refugees and letting them face a horrible life in their homeland. Hmm.

I doubt you do, given you're a republican. They're against same sex marriage and want to repeal the same sex marriage act that Obama passed. They somehow think allowing same sex marriage will pave way for allowing bestiality, incest, and pedophilia.

I do not like illegal immigration either, but employers should be blamed for hiring the cheapest labor, not immigrants.

The Christian faith and Americans need to address their terrorist teachings far more than the Muslims. Far more terrorist attacks on American soil came from Americans, white or Christian or both. We are in far more danger from white Americans than we are from Muslims. But I see just how ignorant people are when they point out Muslims need to do something about terrorism despite the fact that more Americans have committed acts of terrorism. And given what I know from my interactions with Muslims, there is no terrorist teaching.

Hell, there is a video out where a group took the Bible, highlighted the violent or bad passage, and make it look like the Qu'ran. People were apparently shocked to find out that it was actually the Bible that had those violent and horrific writings.

It also just happens that most of these "terrorist" happen to be of the Muslim faith as well.
I don't recall anything of late of *insert other religion / people of other faith *
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commuting terrorist acts.


*God damn spelling - ah f@#$/o
That's because the media likes to gloss over other religions or races committing terrorist acts or somehow try to manipulate it into something else.

Remember when Hicks executed three Muslim teens? The news actually entertained the idea of parking lot dispute instead of saying it was a terrorist attack.
There was an attack on the Oak Creek gurudwara by white supremacists, but the newspapers I read barely covered that. People on Facebook who weren't brown never even mentioned that, even though if it was a church or if the attackers were minorities, they'd condemn the horrific act.
There have been far more attacks than these by white supremacists on brown people, whether Sikhs, Muslims, or Hindus, just because they thought everyone was a Muslim. It just doesn't get brought up because no one the media appeals to wants to see brown people as victims or white people as evil.

We've had far less terrorist attacks from Muslims than from any other group, if I recall. We've had potentials, I won't deny that, but most were born in America who were thwarted by the authority. Europe is in far more danger from terrorist attacks, Muslim or otherwise, than we are.
 

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I've never said all abortions are due to rape... some abortions are, and why should women be forced to carry a memento of that horrible experience?
It doesn't even matter how the pregnancy came about. Some people like to add these stipulations to where they think it's okay in their mind, the woman's life being in danger, rape....it doesn't matter. If you apply Christian logic to being against it, a "soul" is a "soul". Why should the circumstances matter then? None of it makes sense, and personal beliefs aren't infringed upon by abortion being an option. It's no ones fucking business but the woman's and the man's (though can be less so, depending on the situation). The Supreme court ruled on this decades ago and it's never being overturned.
 

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It doesn't even matter how the pregnancy came about. Some people like to add these stipulations to where they think it's okay in their mind, the woman's life being in danger, rape....it doesn't matter. If you apply Christian logic to being against it, a "soul" is a "soul". Why should the circumstances matter then? None of it makes sense, and personal beliefs aren't infringed upon by abortion being an option. It's no ones fucking business but the woman's and the man's (though can be less so, depending on the situation). The Supreme court ruled on this decades ago and it's never being overturned.
The fact that abortion is affecting Planned Parenthood matters to me because it's unfair that they lose money that they can use to help out others just because pro-lifers are so blind to what the organization really does. In any case, I don't see why making abortions illegal is a smart idea, especially when women can get abortions, but in a more unsafe way. As I said though, it is abhorrent to me that anyone would want to defund or stop Planned Parenthood given what they do for the men and women who need their services.

But I agree, it's no one's business but the woman involved, and we have no right to say otherwise, especially when we're not affected.


And the more republican candidates say something and the more I fact check their claims, the less I trust them. Same with Clinton, honestly. And even Bernie is not immune, but that's based on the criticisms he got from a source I trust.
 

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the candidates' views towards abortions and Planned Parenthood. It's another reason why I'm not voting republican.
 

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Ah, the old "I'm more of a Christian than you" approach - to win the votes of people who couldn't give 2 hoots about your policies, so long as you are part of their specific form of *insert religion here*...
 

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This is something I found genuinely funny a while back:

So.... the IRS got its funding cost because it does not work and it does not work because it does not have funding? I have read about several programs which go through that logic including schools which is specially asinine... As in cutting funding for a school that for whatever reason under performs would do anything but aggravate the situation. My guess is that the plan with planned parenthood goes along the same lines. Once it gets defunded and stops working altogether the argument will be why have it if it simply doesn't work. Is it me or are conservatives actively working to sabotage government over there? I have seen several incompetent governments in my time but I don't recall any other cases of actively sabotaging it like that.
 

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I've never said all abortions are due to rape... some abortions are, and why should women be forced to carry a memento of that horrible experience? And how does rape not lead to pregnancy? I doubt women have time to use birth control before they're raped.

Again, I fail to see how sex is a bad life choice. It's normal for people to have sex, and it's not like protection is 100% effective. If they don't have the means to support a baby, then they should be allowed to have an abortion.No, it's not our right to restrict or eliminate abortion, it is our right to make sure people get safe access to healthcare where they feel comfortable and pay as little as possible. We would bear far more tax burden if abortion did not exist.

I'd rather bear tax burden for something that actually helps the society, which is what Planned Parenthood does. I have no idea why you're so against what's better for society just so you can have the government waste more money on something that won't benefit the society. It's also the companies' fault for moving when they can easily afford to stay. I'm sure some companies can afford to pay more taxes, but they'd rather see more profits at the expense of others.

I still fail to see how sex is a poor life decision, especially when compared to owning guns (legally or otherwise).
Having sex to lead to baby making when one has the means not necessary for caring for themselves or others is a very bad life decision. Additionally, its not like they have to take birth control daily some forms offer days to weeks to months worth of protection. I would additionally think that the majority of people being raped that leads to pregnancy are not in situations in which they had a chance to miss taking their birth control (unless they are enslaved or something, but that would be very very uncommon).

I would disagree on your rights statement. It is the babys right to live a life and it is therefore the right of another entity to take care of the baby and ensure it has a fair chance at life like everyone else does. I would think that private funding could be used to create organizations to handle this. Private groups are great at fundraising and people can donate. It would be a great situation.

You should read the links that I provided and talk to the people who needed and used Planned Parenthood. It seems all republicans can think about is abortions. Yet the facts have it, Planned Parenthood have been cleared of any wrongdoing, so that means they're actually contributing something.

And as I've constantly been saying, that is a very naive and poor way to fix things. Financial stability won't make much of a difference, especially given that many people who have kids aren't well off. How many people living in bad areas have risen above? What's the percent of those who became successful and contributed to society?

Apparently, Planned Parenthood cannot use the money it gets from the federal government for abortion, and Medicaid funds are only for rape, incest, and/or danger to the mother's lives. So basically, it seems the republicans are once again wrong as usual, and and the money people spend on Planned Parenthood are money spent to help family planning and provide safe and comfortable healthcare for women and men.
This organization can survive off of private funding and capital campaign strategies to raise the money to do their tasks. Again people could donate to support this endeavour. Meanwhile Federal Funding can be used to enhance hospitals and other healthcare centers which are already doing good at health education, and care for ALL people. Theres nothing that is suggesting that planned parenthood is even necessary.

And for the bold that statement doesn't make sense. Isnt the major platform of the candidates increasing the wealth of Americans (meaning give everyone financial stability), if financial stability wont make a difference then why is every candidate pushing that forward. Lastly, financial stability would imply that people would become "well off". So Im confused by the statement youre making. Will having more money make people "not well off"?

More guns are used to kill people than to hunt or socialize at a shooting range. There have been more deaths from handguns than from terrorist attacks, yet why is it people want more guns but are against abortions, which would actually be better for taxpayers?

Again, talk to the women who get abortions. A lot of women have said they hated the idea of getting abortions but they needed to for one reason or another. They felt like murderers and hated the decision, but it was necessary. A lot of women who get abortions aren't doing it out of selfish needs, and I'm sure if you actually talk to people instead of believing whatever you want to believe, you'd realize that. If they can't support a baby due to finance or time or bad husband, then why should they be forced to give birth? Why should they be forced to make their kids live miserable lives, whether with them or at foster homes or whatever? It's up to her to decide if she wants to get an abortion, she has the right to do so. It's her body, and neither you nor me can tell her otherwise.


Also, according to Fact Check, in 2011 or 2013, Planned Parenthood has performed about 3% of abortions, while 35% went to providing STD testing and treatment and another 35% went into contraception. If you even bothered to fact check and read from the other side, you'd actually understand what Planned Parenthood does. And it deserves to be funded and supported. I don't mind if women have to pay out of pocket for abortion though, but they deserve to get healthcare. Fact Check also says anti-abortionists who claim at least 90% of the services rendered by Planned Parenthood are abortions are full of shit.
Selling guns would be better for tax payers. Guns are items that are sold and would generate taxes, guns sales would lead more people to stores raising the amount of revenue for that store and thus raising the amount the govt and state is taking in taxes. Additionally several pieces of legislature are being pushed to tax people for gun and ammo, seems like gun control advocates are trying to use guns to be a new source of income. More armed people in the country would lead to increased safety, leading to overall happier Americans, meaning happier tax payers that will be more than willing to part with their money to spend on purchases. Everyone wins in this scheme.

Meanwhile Planned Parenthood is a non profit organization, so its not really generating anything for taxpayers. In fact were paying our hard earned money to support endeavours helping people who made poor life decisions or make bad lifestyle choices to lead to needing to have healthcare procedures that could have easily been avoided by smart decision making. Isn't it unfair to support an organization that not only does abortions but supports people making bad lifestyle decisions? I do not want any of my money going to such an organization.


Do you really? I highly doubt it. Are you really for supporting people and providing welfare to families, or are you just suggesting that because you don't like abortion? It seems most people against killing fetuses are content to throw it to the curb after it's born and not care about whether it lives or dies. Also, I still don't see why you care when you're not affected. And ironically, for someone who cares about the life of other human beings and not want to see anyone hurt or wronged, you have no issue with blocking refugees and letting them face a horrible life in their homeland. Hmm.

I doubt you do, given you're a republican. They're against same sex marriage and want to repeal the same sex marriage act that Obama passed. They somehow think allowing same sex marriage will pave way for allowing bestiality, incest, and pedophilia.

I do not like illegal immigration either, but employers should be blamed for hiring the cheapest labor, not immigrants.

The Christian faith and Americans need to address their terrorist teachings far more than the Muslims. Far more terrorist attacks on American soil came from Americans, white or Christian or both. We are in far more danger from white Americans than we are from Muslims. But I see just how ignorant people are when they point out Muslims need to do something about terrorism despite the fact that more Americans have committed acts of terrorism. And given what I know from my interactions with Muslims, there is no terrorist teaching.

Hell, there is a video out where a group took the Bible, highlighted the violent or bad passage, and make it look like the Qu'ran. People were apparently shocked to find out that it was actually the Bible that had those violent and horrific writings.
Why would I be against same sex marriage, I want to get married someday afterall. Just because one sides with a political party doesnt mean they blindly support 100% of what the party figureheads say.

I will continue to care about where money is going when it is going to fund things I am morally against and find ethically concerning and wrong on a fundamental level. States are still investigating planned parenthood for the despicable act of performing abortions and selling the baby parts for profits, so they are not cleared of any wrongdoing.

Anyone would easily be able to see that the Christian people in America, the ones who are true believers have not carried out any of the historical violent acts shown in the bible. Christian people are some of the most understanding and concerning people around, always willing to offers prayer and support for those in need, the ones to visit people in the hospital when they are on their sick bed, and to help people at end of life/terminal care. They volunteer their services, support the poor and hungry and needed, and offer their support. They visit people in jails, offer their homes and churches to the hungry and poor and down on their luck folks. I find it shocking that people immediately jump to the historical text of the old testament to point out Christian acts of wrongdoing but somehow ignore how theyve been helped by Christian believers in this current day and age. You never see influential Christian pastors of significant mega church sizes proclaiming anything hateful teachings to inspire people to rise up against people of color, no Christian leader influenced the Charleston shooter who even suggested that the people in the church were very kind and nice to him welcoming him when he was not even a person of color. I never recall other popular mainstream preachers suggesting anything terrorist with their teachings.

I people who are actually terrorists in the muslim faith clearly embody some aspect of being muslim, why else are they ultra religious willing to die for their religion and doing it all for their religions figurehead. Clearly someone very influential in their religion is teaching them teachings in line with the muslim religion to incite them and inspire them to do such acts that Americans find very appalling.

If one is that afraid of white America and fear that the guy or girl next to them is a terrorist then I do not know what to say.

That's because the media likes to gloss over other religions or races committing terrorist acts or somehow try to manipulate it into something else.

Remember when Hicks executed three Muslim teens? The news actually entertained the idea of parking lot dispute instead of saying it was a terrorist attack.
There was an attack on the Oak Creek gurudwara by white supremacists, but the newspapers I read barely covered that. People on Facebook who weren't brown never even mentioned that, even though if it was a church or if the attackers were minorities, they'd condemn the horrific act.
There have been far more attacks than these by white supremacists on brown people, whether Sikhs, Muslims, or Hindus, just because they thought everyone was a Muslim. It just doesn't get brought up because no one the media appeals to wants to see brown people as victims or white people as evil.

We've had far less terrorist attacks from Muslims than from any other group, if I recall. We've had potentials, I won't deny that, but most were born in America who were thwarted by the authority. Europe is in far more danger from terrorist attacks, Muslim or otherwise, than we are.
Oak Creek was covered, Mr Obama even mentioned it, so I dont know what news you were watching the didnt cover it.

I would think that those groups ought to do like I suggested, rally up and show America who they are so they can understand Americans, and where Americans are coming from and try to embrace American culture so they can be accepted and understood. If attacks are happening its because they remained too inclusive in their community and did not do anything to try to get other people to understand who they were and where they came from. White supremists recovered over time with education and being with other groups of people.
 

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Ah, the old "I'm more of a Christian than you" approach - to win the votes of people who couldn't give 2 hoots about your policies, so long as you are part of their specific form of *insert religion here*...
Or towards people raised to vote towards one party no matter how wrong it is. Interestingly, lot of liberals/democrats point out how when a lot of voters turn up, democrats win while when there's not enough voters, republicans usually end up winning. I don't know how true or accurate it is, but I can believe it simply because in my limited experience, republicans tend to be ignorant and of older generation while those who would vote democrat don't vote as much as they should.
Is it me or are conservatives actively working to sabotage government over there? I have seen several incompetent governments in my time but I don't recall any other cases of actively sabotaging it like that.
I see it more as them willing to destroy the country if they don't get things their way, but I'm sure same can be said about liberals as well. Politicians are shitheads.
Having sex to lead to baby making when one has the means not necessary for caring for themselves or others is a very bad life decision. Additionally, its not like they have to take birth control daily some forms offer days to weeks to months worth of protection. I would additionally think that the majority of people being raped that leads to pregnancy are not in situations in which they had a chance to miss taking their birth control (unless they are enslaved or something, but that would be very very uncommon).

I would disagree on your rights statement. It is the babys right to live a life and it is therefore the right of another entity to take care of the baby and ensure it has a fair chance at life like everyone else does. I would think that private funding could be used to create organizations to handle this. Private groups are great at fundraising and people can donate. It would be a great situation.
When one uses protection, it is not a bad life decision. Also, I'm pretty sure that a lot of women who are raped don't plan on having sex, thus they don't take birth control. But it doesn't look like you understand this at all. Your thoughts on this entire subject has been ignorant so far.

It's up to the mom to make that decision. As I said, I am more pro choice than I am pro-life, but I can't argue against a fetus's right to live.

Getting fundin from the government/taxpayers isn't a bad thing. Private funding is a bonus as well, means the organization can help more people at cheaper or free cost.



This organization can survive off of private funding and capital campaign strategies to raise the money to do their tasks. Again people could donate to support this endeavour. Meanwhile Federal Funding can be used to enhance hospitals and other healthcare centers which are already doing good at health education, and care for ALL people. Theres nothing that is suggesting that planned parenthood is even necessary.

And for the bold that statement doesn't make sense. Isnt the major platform of the candidates increasing the wealth of Americans (meaning give everyone financial stability), if financial stability wont make a difference then why is every candidate pushing that forward. Lastly, financial stability would imply that people would become "well off". So Im confused by the statement youre making. Will having more money make people "not well off"?
Yes there is. We could have a report out saying why people go to PLanned Parenthood and why it's necessary, and you'd still deny that it's necessary. Researching Planned Parenthood should help you realize why it's important and necessary for people. Hospitals and healthcare centers will still continue to charge a lot, and they may not offer what the men and women are looking for.

Hospitals and healthcare centers would benefit more from reducing spending in warfare and defense and using the difference towards them. If you wanted to get tested for STD or needed treatment for STD, you can go to Planned Parenthood without fear of judgment. If your friend was raped, she can go to Planned Parenthood to get checked for STD and prevent pregnancy with a pill or something. If you wanted to have sex but couldn't afford condoms, you could go to Planned Parenthood for cheap or even free condoms. There's plenty suggested Planned Parenthood is necessary, and if you refuse to read the links I provided or even talk to someone who used their services, I can't help you there. But no one benefits from this level of ignorance.

No, that's the platform of democrats. Republicans just want to increase the wealth of rich people, from what I understand. And if financial stability did make as much of a difference as you claim, why were Hollywood celebrities getting abortion? Surely the major stars can afford to have kids, no? And I did some googling, and it seems abortion rates are lower amongst white women and women who are high above the poverty level compared to minorities and women below poverty level.

I forgot what I meant by that, truth be told. But I don't see financial stability halting accidental pregnancy or abortion, just possibly reducing the amount of abortion and pregnancy. You can be wealthy and have a stable life, but still want to get an abortion because you don't want a child.



Selling guns would be better for tax payers. Guns are items that are sold and would generate taxes, guns sales would lead more people to stores raising the amount of revenue for that store and thus raising the amount the govt and state is taking in taxes. Additionally several pieces of legislature are being pushed to tax people for gun and ammo, seems like gun control advocates are trying to use guns to be a new source of income. More armed people in the country would lead to increased safety, leading to overall happier Americans, meaning happier tax payers that will be more than willing to part with their money to spend on purchases. Everyone wins in this scheme.
Guns that are sold illegally do not generate taxes. However, you keep saying abortions are bad because it takes away innocent lives. Guns do the same as well, they take away the lives of animals and humans. Why should guns be allowed but not abortion or Planned Parenthood? Guns and abortions are about ending lives, yet people support guns over abortions, which make no sense. Guns have played a huge part in killing so many innocent people, yet abortion and abortion doctors get criticized, which makes no sense.

Can you prove this? There are a lot of armed people, but the gun violence is pretty high in the country. Americans are not happy with the idea of giving more people more guns, not when there have been mass shootings, gang violence, and police brutality.

Also, accordin to this, Obama's gun control action can be good for us taxpayers and for firearms companies.

Meanwhile Planned Parenthood is a non profit organization, so its not really generating anything for taxpayers. In fact were paying our hard earned money to support endeavours helping people who made poor life decisions or make bad lifestyle choices to lead to needing to have healthcare procedures that could have easily been avoided by smart decision making. Isn't it unfair to support an organization that not only does abortions but supports people making bad lifestyle decisions? I do not want any of my money going to such an organization.
It doesn't have to generate anything for taxpayers, it's meant to help people with services. Hell, it can help generate money for taxpayers in a way by offering free or cheaper services. And actually, by preventin pregnancies and ending pregnancies, it actually saves taxpayers more in money.

So, are you saying homosexuality is a bad lifestyle choice? Are you saying men and women who were raped made a decision to get raped? Are you saying a couple who uses protection made bad lifestyle choice or poor decisions? Because that's exactly what you're saying as these people use Planned Parenthood. No, it's unfair to attack an organization that helps people, which is exactly what republicans are doing. If Planned Parenthood is doing wrong things, then tell me why they were cleared of all charges. Why did Texas of all states cleared Planned Parenthood of any wrongdoing and are instead indicting the people who doctored the videos, which republicans knew and endorsed?

And clearly you have no idea what Planned Parenthood is about, like other republicans. The level of ignorance is baffling, and just the more reason why none of the republican candidates deserve to become president. Despite proof that they offer far more services and abortions make up less than 10% of the services they've rendered, all republicans can say is "Planned Parenthood's services consist of 94% of abortion hurr durr!"

I'd rather my money go to an organization that actually helps people, like Planned Parenthood, instead of warfare and defense that gets billions of dollars and has so little to show for it.




Why would I be against same sex marriage, I want to get married someday afterall. Just because one sides with a political party doesnt mean they blindly support 100% of what the party figureheads say.

I will continue to care about where money is going when it is going to fund things I am morally against and find ethically concerning and wrong on a fundamental level. States are still investigating planned parenthood for the despicable act of performing abortions and selling the baby parts for profits, so they are not cleared of any wrongdoing.
You seem to blindly support everything they say. And how many candidates really support homosexuals joining the army? Women joining the army? Can you be sure that the republican candidate won't move to restrict your freedom just for liking the same sex? They are already trying by trying to ban same sex marriage and supporting people who refuse service to homosexuals. There is no justification for them to ban same sex marriage or deny homosexuals equal rights, yet they try to do just that.

So far, nineteen states and more have and are clearing Planned Parenthood of wrongdoings. Planned Parenthood aren't selling baby parts for profits, they're selling baby parts to support the organization and continue to offer services to people at cheaper price or for free. Planned Parenthood seems to be doing something right if it keeps getting cleared by states of any wrongdoing. They have done nothing ethically or morally wrong, unlike republicans who have lied about Planned Parenthood and lie about everything else.

But this is further proof of how biased and blind you are. You have yet to criticize the republicans knowing and lying about the doctored videos of Planned Parenthood, yet you seem to have no problem believing the BS about Planned Parenthood. It's as if a republican could kill a rival or break the law, and you'd be okay with it but if a democrat did the same thing, you'd raise a ruckus.

Anyone would easily be able to see that the Christian people in America, the ones who are true believers have not carried out any of the historical violent acts shown in the bible. Christian people are some of the most understanding and concerning people around, always willing to offers prayer and support for those in need, the ones to visit people in the hospital when they are on their sick bed, and to help people at end of life/terminal care. They volunteer their services, support the poor and hungry and needed, and offer their support. They visit people in jails, offer their homes and churches to the hungry and poor and down on their luck folks. I find it shocking that people immediately jump to the historical text of the old testament to point out Christian acts of wrongdoing but somehow ignore how theyve been helped by Christian believers in this current day and age. You never see influential Christian pastors of significant mega church sizes proclaiming anything hateful teachings to inspire people to rise up against people of color, no Christian leader influenced the Charleston shooter who even suggested that the people in the church were very kind and nice to him welcoming him when he was not even a person of color. I never recall other popular mainstream preachers suggesting anything terrorist with their teachings.
No, Christian people have committed lots of wars and have killed lots of people. They used the Bible to justify seeing black men and Native Americans as savages not worthy of respect and are willing to let children die just because they believe Jesus will heal them. If you actually read unbiased news and not Fox News, you'd also know that many Muslim organizations have helped people and donated money to victims, like the Charleston shooting victims and church. They have also helped people and protected Hindus and Christians from attacks.

I find it shocking that people immediately criticize Muslims but ignore how they have helped the society. Just research on those three kids that Hicks killed, and you'll find they contributed more to society than many Christians. Hell, KKK were made up of Christians and committed acts of terrorism and killed people who weren't Christian, who were black, and who were sympathetic to blacks.

No but you see influential Christian pastors demanding money for jets or having a mansion or stuff like htat. Yet the Charleston shooter killed the black people because he wanted to incite a racial war, and yet Muslims are called terrorists and violent?

I people who are actually terrorists in the muslim faith clearly embody some aspect of being muslim, why else are they ultra religious willing to die for their religion and doing it all for their religions figurehead. Clearly someone very influential in their religion is teaching them teachings in line with the muslim religion to incite them and inspire them to do such acts that Americans find very appalling.

If one is that afraid of white America and fear that the guy or girl next to them is a terrorist then I do not know what to say.
Why would Christians attack Planned Parenthood and shoot up people? Why would they shoot black people for not being white or Christians? Why do many of them attack homosexuals? Because they were brainwashed to do so? Many of them seem to hate the US for one reason or another, despite being born in US. And apparently, a lot of white Europeans (girls anyway) have actually ran away to join the ISIS.

All you can do is acknowledge that Muslims aren't the only group with propensity to terrorism, and admit that white people can commit terrorism as much as any other group. And remember that more terrorist attacks have happened from white people in America than from Muslims, and more violence has been committed by white and black people than by Muslims. Hell, I'm sure no one expected the Aurora theater shooter or the Newtown shooter to shoot out of nowhere, yet it happened. To single out Muslims is to be ignorant and idiotic.

Evidence has it there's more reason to be afraid of white people in America than there is to be afraid of Muslims. I can't say about European countries though.



Oak Creek was covered, Mr Obama even mentioned it, so I dont know what news you were watching the didnt cover it.

I would think that those groups ought to do like I suggested, rally up and show America who they are so they can understand Americans, and where Americans are coming from and try to embrace American culture so they can be accepted and understood. If attacks are happening its because they remained too inclusive in their community and did not do anything to try to get other people to understand who they were and where they came from. White supremists recovered over time with education and being with other groups of people.
I know CNN covered it, apparently with little to no information on the Sikhs or how to correctly pronounce some words. But none of the papers I saw even mentioned the shooting much.

I'm sure Muslims are trying to do that, but the white supremacists and anti-Muslim idiots don't care and will continue to judge Muslims. Blaming Muslims is pretty idiotic, especially given many got along with Americans before 9/11, until Americans started attacking anything that resembled a Muslim. The Americans are just as responsible, if not more responsible, for the divide. Again, stop relying on Fox News for information, they're full of crap.


I must be a bad Hindu because I'm defending Muslims. :rofl
 
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