American Politics

[kkck]

lol, even if AOC was eligible I am sure the democrat establishment would rather have have trump as president than AOC as VP...

 

[xi0]

To me she looks more like a pick meant to appease progressives

Maybe they think that, assuming the average voter only sees her as not being white or a guy and assumes that automatically makes her appear like a progressive.

I mean sure, that's pretty much exactly what they did...

But my comment was more about in general. The fact that we have Biden at all in this position is because the DNC has a hard on for dipshit racist Karens from middle America whose navel-gazing is somehow treated as being as important as human rights.

 

[M3J]

lol, even if AOC was eligible I am sure the democrat establishment would rather have have trump as president than AOC as VP...

Definitely, but maybe Biden's desire to win is stronger than the Dems' hatred of socialism

 

[hokageji]

I think Biden chose her more because she's a woman of color more than because she's a moderate... but then again, he could have gone with Ilhan or AOC so you're probably right.

I don't think that'll happen. If Trump loses his supporters will just riot and cause a shitstorm, but there won't be much change, if any.

Yes, but there wouldn't have been any other option. After everything that's happened, having a person of color had become a priority... After seeing the shortlist, Harris was an obvious choice because of her moderate and some progressive values mixed with her experience as a prosecutor.

Ilhan and AOC were never in contention, nor do they have political experience.

Even without the pandemic I can't imagine biden not being favored to win. Trump has been historically unpopular from day one. I suppose trump has gotten slightly more unpopular over the pandemic but... it's still concerning that it is only by this much. The race as those numbers suggest will be close.... And screwing up is pretty much democrats modus operandi at this point. It's why a half senile gaffe machine is running...

Well, Democrats can easily screw up and the left inclined are people with diverse set of values and idealogies... One statement can sway them away, but Trump has screwed things so much in the pandemic so it definitely increases the possibility of Biden winning.... If not, he would still have a chance any statement equating to "full of deplorables" can upset a lot of people and move them away.....

Honestly, I don't even like how democrats handled the VP pick. From day one the rhetoric was about picking a women from a minority... But why frame this this way? Wouldn't it have been better to go with a more standard "We are looking at the best possible candidate" and then simply pick kamala? The look that they simply skipped over males to select kamala is just plain bad. representation is important and generally a good thing but the point should be that if someone in a minority is in a position its because said person was as good or better than none minority people. Now if kamala becomes VP it will have been due to a process where he didn't beat a single non minority male. Trump and republicans are unhinged lunatics but democrats are dumb...

I think Biden at an early stage had annouced that he would pick a female as a nominee... with BLM movement getting stronger, Warren and Kloubacher, who otherwise were more likely to be picked were out of contention and then the other names thrown weren't as well known.... I thought Susan Rice would have been great, even Sammy Duckworth.. and would have if this were a normal election. But they cannot rally at the same level, they would need familiarlity so Harris was the best choice.

 

[kkck]

Well, Democrats can easily screw up and the left inclined are people with diverse set of values and idealogies... One statement can sway them away, but Trump has screwed things so much in the pandemic so it definitely increases the possibility of Biden winning.... If not, he would still have a chance any statement equating to "full of deplorables" can upset a lot of people and move them away.....



I think Biden at an early stage had annouced that he would pick a female as a nominee... with BLM movement getting stronger, Warren and Kloubacher, who otherwise were more likely to be picked were out of contention and then the other names thrown weren't as well known.... I thought Susan Rice would have been great, even Sammy Duckworth.. and would have if this were a normal election. But they cannot rally at the same level, they would need familiarlity so Harris was the best choice.

As far as the deplorables bit goes... That didn't hurt hillary with her base. It hurt her with people that wouldn't have voted for her anyways. She should have doubled, tripled and quadruple down on that rather than apologize for something that is true which actually hurt her with her base.

Yeah, he did. But that is kinda the problem I have with this, I would argue handling it that way is just bad politics. Since realistically speaking not one male was considered against harris. To me there is a case to be made that it would have been better if there was at least the appearance that she beat white males because she was simply deemed to be better than them.

 

[hokageji]

As far as the deplorables bit goes... That didn't hurt hillary with her base. It hurt her with people that wouldn't have voted for her anyways. She should have doubled, tripled and quadruple down on that rather than apologize for something that is true which actually hurt her with her base.

i dont mean it literally, but Yea, but it didnt help her case... THe point is Biden is capable of gaffs like that and the media can paint a negative image... a lot of people dont think hes a good candidate anyways....

Yeah, he did. But that is kinda the problem I have with this, I would argue handling it that way is just bad politics. Since realistically speaking not one male was considered against harris. To me there is a case to be made that it would have been better if there was at least the appearance that she beat white males because she was simply deemed to be better than them.

Well, these are special circumstances... the pandemic had already hit around the time Biden was the offiical nominee and BLM followed shortly. So person of color had already become important. Add the disappointment thousands of woman felt when Kloubacher and Warren dropped from the race, and Warren even made comments on how woman will have to wait for the next female leader, it was about keeping the momentum on. Besides, i would argue that none of the major male candidates from colored background deserve to be considered, Pete Buttigeg would be the only one i can think of, but he is not colored and doesnt have the same level of experience.
Look at all the possible angles, Harris would make the most sense.

 

[kkck]

i dont mean it literally, but Yea, but it didnt help her case... THe point is Biden is capable of gaffs like that and the media can paint a negative image... a lot of people dont think hes a good candidate anyways....




Well, these are special circumstances... the pandemic had already hit around the time Biden was the offiical nominee and BLM followed shortly. So person of color had already become important. Add the disappointment thousands of woman felt when Kloubacher and Warren dropped from the race, and Warren even made comments on how woman will have to wait for the next female leader, it was about keeping the momentum on. Besides, i would argue that none of the major male candidates from colored background deserve to be considered, Pete Buttigeg would be the only one i can think of, but he is not colored and doesnt have the same level of experience.
Look at all the possible angles, Harris would make the most sense.

I still think the gaff in that case was that she backtracked on it. She was absolutely 100% right and she just allowed the media to steam roll her when she apologized... And sure, biden has been barfing gaffs for decades... and there is a very real chance of him going into overdrive now. I would agree with him not being a good candidate. Better than trump of course (though that applies to literally any non qanon politician or ted cruz) and better than hillary at least (a super low bar).

Well, sure, but none of those presumably lesser qualified people were considered. By all appearances there was never a discussion of her merits against that of other males, neither by people, by the media an more importantly by the democrat party.

Pete buttigieg? I would see him as a worst mistake than tim kayne tbh. Corporate hack and has a history of racism... He'd be so easy to rip apart. But still, there never was any discussion regarding how kamala holds up against her male peers. Democrats would have a stronger and more inclusive message if they could say "you know what, we considered her against a bunch of white males, against a bunch of colored males, against a bunch of white females and against a bunch of colored females and we ultimately decided that kamala was uniquely qualified among all of those to be the VP".

 

[hokageji]

ete buttigieg? I would see him as a worst mistake than tim kayne tbh. Corporate hack and has a history of racism... He'd be so easy to rip apart. But still, there never was any discussion regarding how kamala holds up against her male peers. Democrats would have a stronger and more inclusive message if they could say "you know what, we considered her against a bunch of white males, against a bunch of colored males, against a bunch of white females and against a bunch of colored females and we ultimately decided that kamala was uniquely qualified among all of those to be the VP".

Well i mean from those who were running on the presidential ticket.... And i dont think he's a bad mistake, but i am not aware for his history with racism.... He's a good candidate from what i know and fits the moderate policies better than most, but his youth plays against him...

On your quoted sentence, i completely agree with that... They could've presented it better, but honestly at this point, it would sound pretentious and fake.. its better this way..

still think the gaff in that case was that she backtracked on it. She was absolutely 100% right and she just allowed the media to steam roll her when she apologized... And sure, biden has been barfing gaffs for decades... and there is a very real chance of him going into overdrive now. I would agree with him not being a good candidate. Better than trump of course (though that applies to literally any non qanon politician or ted cruz) and better than hillary at least (a super low bar).

Well, sure, but none of those presumably lesser qualified people were considered. By all appearances there was never a discussion of her merits against that of other males, neither by people, by the media an more importantly by the democrat party.

She has issues, yes.... Like i said before, i think her approach to most progressive policies dont seem genuine... But no other candidate check marks as many columns / points as she does... even her experience with Biden's son could've played a pivotal role....

 

[M3J]

Yes, but there wouldn't have been any other option. After everything that's happened, having a person of color had become a priority... After seeing the shortlist, Harris was an obvious choice because of her moderate and some progressive values mixed with her experience as a prosecutor.

Ilhan and AOC were never in contention, nor do they have political experience.

Didn't Biden promise to choose a woman of color, though?

 

[kkck]

Well i mean from those who were running on the presidential ticket.... And i dont think he's a bad mistake, but i am not aware for his history with racism.... He's a good candidate from what i know and fits the moderate policies better than most, but his youth plays against him...

On your quoted sentence, i completely agree with that... They could've presented it better, but honestly at this point, it would sound pretentious and fake.. its better this way..

IIRC buttigieg had the blandest most substance free campaign of all candidates that gave the appearance of having a shot. Can't even remember him standing for anything tbh...

I mean, what they are doing looks fairly pretentious and fake too. Just with the added spice of bad politics.

 

[Sanity Check]

 

[hokageji]

IRC buttigieg had the blandest most substance free campaign of all candidates that gave the appearance of having a shot. Can't even remember him standing for anything tbh...

I mean, what they are doing looks fairly pretentious and fake too. Just with the added spice of bad politics.

alright, i felt the opposite but hey, i guess its a difference in the way we look at things and its a subjective thing so i get it... its been long now so i will have to look up stuff to quote it, not worth the time for someone who is irrelevant...

anyways, i couldnt still think of any other male candidate.

 

[kkck]

anyways, i couldnt still think of any other male candidate.

That may be but... not really my point. If anything, that makes this even more of a waste. As in, if kamala was just THAT good compared to other males then from a democratic perspective it would have been better to actually have that discussion. Because the discussion would have shown kamala being that good... (if the assumption is correct).

 

[hokageji]

That may be but... not really my point. If anything, that makes this even more of a waste. As in, if kamala was just THAT good compared to other males then from a democratic perspective it would have been better to actually have that discussion. Because the discussion would have shown kamala being that good... (if the assumption is correct).

Yea, you are right, they could've done a better job to justify why she was selected.... I am sure she is credible enough and its not just her race or being a woman that she got elected....

 

[xi0]

Just look at the replies to this and you can see why this country is where it is right now

 

[desin24]

Just look at the replies to this and you can see why this country is where it is right now

There are so many people who don't understand what that was and Headlines like this don't help either.

 

[xi0]

There are so many people who don't understand what that was and Headlines like this don't help either.

Well it does certainly help feed liberal brainrot, that's for sure. One could be conspiratorial about it perhaps, but there probably is some intern running their twitter that is just that dumb.

 

[desin24]

Well it does certainly help feed liberal brainrot, that's for sure. One could be conspiratorial about it perhaps, but there probably is some intern running their twitter that is just that dumb.

"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity " as much as I enjoy conspiracy theories it still looks more like disgusting clickbait than anything else. It's just tragic how the retraction probably reaches half as many people as the initial statement.

 

[kkck]

More than the dumbassery behind that twit, the more worrisome part is that NBC has done so little to clear up their mistake. You'd think this would warrant way more than a twit to correct themselves....

 

[M3J]

I feel like it's because they don't like AOC and what she stands for.