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I really hope we somehow get the politicians to give people $600 per week again.
I want a 2000-4000$ stimulus check (for single fillers, 2K for each dependent). Maybe lower the $600 to 400$ but add in relief for rent (cancel all rent). And $10K to student debt relief or cancel

Come on democrats strong arm the republicans to agreeing. Even Mr. Trump wants bigger checks...his reelection depends on it
 

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In terms of politics. Do people feel greater loyalty to.

  • Trump and the USA
  • China, communists, socialists, globalists
All I can think is, if people are unhappy right now.

They will be far more unhappy in the future as a result of the candidates and policy they misguidedly support.

For the same reasons venezuelans were unhappy when left wing socialists regressed their economy from being one of the richest in south america. Into being one of the poorest.
 

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In terms of politics. Do people feel greater loyalty to.

  • Trump and the USA
  • China, communists, socialists, globalists
All I can think is, if people are unhappy right now.

They will be far more unhappy in the future as a result of the candidates and policy they misguidedly support.

For the same reasons venezuelans were unhappy when left wing socialists regressed their economy from being one of the richest in south america. Into being one of the poorest.
At least as of late youd be hard pressed to find a general population poll thatd show a majority in favor/approval of Trump. I think in general people are loyal to USA...to Trump well only his hardcores are loyal tbh.
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Consider, yet another trump campaign event with disappointing turnout.
 

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I want a 2000-4000$ stimulus check (for single fillers, 2K for each dependent). Maybe lower the $600 to 400$ but add in relief for rent (cancel all rent). And $10K to student debt relief or cancel

Come on democrats strong arm the republicans to agreeing. Even Mr. Trump wants bigger checks...his reelection depends on it
I'm not sure how helpful that'll be compared to getting at least $500 per week that helps with bills. That's at least $2,000 per month, and if until December, then about $8000.

I doubt it, there are people, especially republican voters, who are against their own self-interest and will oppose the weekly relief because "free stuff sucks!!" They've been brainwashed pretty badly to be against anything good for them.

In terms of politics. Do people feel greater loyalty to.

  • Trump and the USA
  • China, communists, socialists, globalists
All I can think is, if people are unhappy right now.

They will be far more unhappy in the future as a result of the candidates and policy they misguidedly support.

For the same reasons venezuelans were unhappy when left wing socialists regressed their economy from being one of the richest in south america. Into being one of the poorest.
Correction: Trump OR USA, there's no Trump and USA. Trump is anti-USA, and his supporters are as well. Trump and his supporters are bigots who don't care about Americans, they only care about themselves, and it's silly of you to pit it as Trump and USA vs. China and all the other things that you don't know much about.

And apparently, it was the USA who interfered in Venezuela in an attempt to get people against the socialist leader. Would be nice if you knew anything about anything, then maybe it'd be worth taking you seriously.
 

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At least as of late youd be hard pressed to find a general population poll thatd show a majority in favor/approval of Trump. I think in general people are loyal to USA...to Trump well only his hardcores are loyal tbh.
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Consider, yet another trump campaign event with disappointing turnout.
Correction: Trump OR USA, there's no Trump and USA. Trump is anti-USA, and his supporters are as well. Trump and his supporters are bigots who don't care about Americans, they only care about themselves, and it's silly of you to pit it as Trump and USA vs. China and all the other things that you don't know much about.

And apparently, it was the USA who interfered in Venezuela in an attempt to get people against the socialist leader. Would be nice if you knew anything about anything, then maybe it'd be worth taking you seriously.

If I can, maybe I'll return later and reply to the above two posts.

Until then I hope people have a nice laugh reading the headline below.

Headline:

The US is offering bounties of $10 million to anyone who can catch hackers meddling in the presidential election



 

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Gotta be honest, this type of twit still amazes me.... I mean, why does he still keep saying this? Is there anyone who thinks this isn't absurdly stupid?
 

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Gotta be honest, this type of twit still amazes me.... I mean, why does he still keep saying this? Is there anyone who thinks this isn't absurdly stupid?
i think his point is that some developing nations have limited testing, specially asian and some dont want to do testing so that their numbers dont go up...there have been news articles in other countries that say that... But that doesnt make his post any less absurd... cos when you consider percentages of population infected tested, in terms of those percentages, these countries are fairing way better than the US...

But facts dont matter..... calling everything fake is just absurd.
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alright, i checked some stats online:
checking the total number of tests, and number of positive cases, here are some numbers;

USA : 9%
Russia : 3%
India : 7.5%
UK: 3%

Now i wasn't able to find Brazil, but even if Ithe other nations were not testing, the absolute numbers would get affected, the percentages would only shift marginally.....
 

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Gotta be honest, this type of twit still amazes me.... I mean, why does he still keep saying this? Is there anyone who thinks this isn't absurdly stupid?
Mainly for his supporters. They're the main people who don't think his bs is stupid and actually believe him, and he's fishing for their continued support.
 

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Mainly for his supporters. They're the main people who don't think his bs is stupid and actually believe him, and he's fishing for their continued support.

Testing is a bad policy.

Its not for his supporters.

Its on his advisors and industry experts feeding him bad info, as always.

Hydroxychloroquine and closing borders early were the only times he didn't receive bad information and advice.
 

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Testing is a bad policy.

Its not for his supporters.

Its on his advisors and industry experts feeding him bad info, as always.

Hydroxychloroquine and closing borders early were the only times he didn't receive bad information and advice.
Bad policy? how?

Yes, continue to lay his mistakes at the feet of the people advising him, and never hold him accountable for anything he does. As if he listens to every single bit of advice given to him and he has no agency himself.

Enough with with hydroxychloroquine, unless you can show any non-dubious individuals championing it despite all the evidence against it.
 

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Bad policy? how?

Yes, continue to lay his mistakes at the feet of the people advising him, and never hold him accountable for anything he does. As if he listens to every single bit of advice given to him and he has no agency himself.

Enough with with hydroxychloroquine, unless you can show any non-dubious individuals championing it despite all the evidence against it.

Those infected with corona are contagious before symptoms manifest.

When people feel sick and get tested its too late. They've wandered around being contagious for days and possibly already infected many others.

Breaking quarantine to test increases the likelihood of them infecting others. In some cases, people wait in lines for 4 hours to get tested. Its not a perfect process. In many cases people would be better served assuming they have the virus if they're ill, and avoiding human contact to prevent spreading it further.

I'll just say hydroxychloroquine is the best treatment. And time will tell. I remember back when many were thoroughly convinced Trump would be a disaster for the US economy. The media typically has people believing in things that aren't true.
 

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Those infected with corona are contagious before symptoms manifest.

When people feel sick and get tested its too late. They've wandered around being contagious for days and possibly already infected many others.

Breaking quarantine to test increases the likelihood of them infecting others. In some cases, people wait in lines for 4 hours to get tested. Its not a perfect process. In many cases people would be better served assuming they have the virus if they're ill, and avoiding human contact to prevent spreading it further.

I'll just say hydroxychloroquine is the best treatment. And time will tell. I remember back when many were thoroughly convinced Trump would be a disaster for the US economy. The media typically has people believing in things that aren't true.
That doesn't make testing bad policy though?? That means there needs to be better tests more widely used and more efficient processing of tests. Plus, this sort of thing varies from area to area. If you think you might have it and get a test, you are supposed to assume you could have it and quarantine anyways. Testing is good policy, and widespread, regular testing is the only way other countries have had success minimizing the spread. If some moron gets tested and goes right back to being in contact with people before getting results, that isn't an indictment on policy at all. There's also no clear picture of when people become contagious after being exposed themselves either.

What does there being no good science behind hydroxychloroquine have to do with pundits prognosticating the least fuck-up-able aspect of Trump's presidency? Most people always admitted that the only measurable shred of savvy he would have would be with the economy.
 

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That doesn't make testing bad policy though?? That means there needs to be better tests more widely used and more efficient processing of tests. Plus, this sort of thing varies from area to area. If you think you might have it and get a test, you are supposed to assume you could have it and quarantine anyways. Testing is good policy, and widespread, regular testing is the only way other countries have had success minimizing the spread. If some moron gets tested and goes right back to being in contact with people before getting results, that isn't an indictment on policy at all. There's also no clear picture of when people become contagious after being exposed themselves either.

What does there being no good science behind hydroxychloroquine have to do with pundits prognosticating the least fuck-up-able aspect of Trump's presidency? Most people always admitted that the only measurable shred of savvy he would have would be with the economy.

Why testing is bad policy.


Airport screenings increase the size and density of crowds, making it easier for the pandemic to propagate ^




People stand in lines for hours to be tested. You can see many have no masks ^ and would be better served staying home where they can't infect others or be infected if they don't have it.

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Claiming that tests cure corona is like claiming AIDs can be eradicated through testing greater numbers of people.

That's not the way it works.

Testing itself is a avenue through which people can be infected in greater numbers.

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Many if not all of Trump's advisors feed him bad info. Whether its "injecting UV disinfectants" or something else. He's always being fed bad information.
 

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Biden just picked his running mate? What do you guys think of her?
 

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Testing is a bad policy.

Its not for his supporters.

Its on his advisors and industry experts feeding him bad info, as always.

Hydroxychloroquine and closing borders early were the only times he didn't receive bad information and advice.
Testing is only bad policy for trump because it shows the ineffectiveness of the policies him and his party has pushed for. No one whose opinion matters on the subject has ever made the point testing is bad policy nor has better or even equal alternatives been proposed. Literally every country that has succeeded in bringing down their curves has had extensive testing and contact tracing. Meanwhile the US continuously lags in their testing, to the point where the US had just about the most testing per capita but it still isn't enough, and contact tracing is non existent.

There are literally zero studies showing the effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine to treat covid. This whole thing with hydroxychloroquine is so absurd trump began pushing it before studies on the issue could even exist....
 

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Testing is a bad policy.

Its not for his supporters.

Its on his advisors and industry experts feeding him bad info, as always.

Hydroxychloroquine and closing borders early were the only times he didn't receive bad information and advice.
lol... how is testing bad policy?

And who is this advisor you are talking about? as a leader, if he keeps getting bad info, its still his fuck up.....

And i am sure no advisor advised him injecting bleach inside the body....
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Biden just picked his running mate? What do you guys think of her?
I liked Kamala a lot more 3 years ago, but ever since the presidential bid, she seems a bit in-genuine... with lines like "i am running cos i love my country" but hey, its politics people do stuff like that...

But she is the most logical candidate for Biden, demographically speaking.... and considering that Biden is likely to be a 1 term president, her age will play a favor within the team too...

Its good to see a black woman as VP....
 

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Claiming that tests cure corona is like claiming AIDs can be eradicated through testing greater numbers of people.

That's not the way it works.

Testing itself is a avenue through which people can be infected in greater numbers.
Who is claiming tests cure corona? The Trump administration might incorrectly think it's good enough to protect him, but that's just a lazy misrepresentation of the point of testing in the first place.

Biden just picked his running mate? What do you guys think of her?
Woefully predictable and uninspired
 

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Yep, harris might be from however many minorities and whatnot but that doesn't change she is just slightly less of a corporate hack than biden.... or the rest of the democrat establishment in general. I kinda wonder how much picking her will matter electorally. I feel like she won't matter too much but I guess we will see.
 

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Who is claiming tests cure corona? The Trump administration might incorrectly think it's good enough to protect him, but that's just a lazy misrepresentation of the point of testing in the first place.

Question.

Does corona testing where people stand in line for hours increase or reduce the number of corona infections.

A case could be made for them increasing the number of infections, rather than the opposite. Which would make them counter productive.
 

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Question.

Does corona testing where people stand in line for hours increase or reduce the number of corona infections.

A case could be made for them increasing the number of infections, rather than the opposite. Which would make them counter productive.
I think by trying to prove a point you've cornered yourself here. How could anyone answer that question if there's no testing in the first place?

Where are there people standing in lines so congested that people can't wear masks or socially distance? Anything like that should be outdoors, drastically reducing risk as well. Many testing stations are drive-thru too, where you don't even get out of your vehicle or come into contact with other people. A case could be made about it increasing risk, yes. That is why those who are in vulnerable populations are told not to take that risk in the first place.

If testing is bad policy then how exactly does this virus get studied? Where is the data going to come from?
 
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