American Politics

[M3J]

Testing is a bad policy.

Its not for his supporters.

Its on his advisors and industry experts feeding him bad info, as always.

Hydroxychloroquine and closing borders early were the only times he didn't receive bad information and advice.

So you're okay with people getting coronavirus, spreading it to others, and more people dying because you don't like testing showing how incompetent Trump is?

It's for his supporters, that's obvious and clear. The way he says things, what he says, etc are structured in a way to rile up his supporters who don't care how bad his English is or how childish he comes across in his tweets.

Nope, it's not. It's on Trump, especially when he chooses to ignore the actual experts and make up his own bs or believe others' bs who know nothing about pandemics.

I remember back when many were thoroughly convinced Trump would be a disaster for the US economy. The media typically has people believing in things that aren't true.

And these many were proven true given the state of economy and even republicans' fears due to the virus. Our economy's frailty was proven.

I will admit that up until March, Trump does get credit for not screwing up Obama's great work on the economy.

Biden just picked his running mate? What do you guys think of her?

She's not popular among the further left of liberals, and it's tone-deaf to have chosen her... but they're still better than Trump, Pence, or their party, so whatever. I hope republicans choose an actual good candidate next time, I'd love to stop supporting Dems because Biden, Clinton, and Harris are just... horrible.

 

[kkck]

2020 Election Forecast

Latest forecast of the 2020 presidential election between President Donald Trump and Joe Biden by Nate Silver’s FiveThirtyEight

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And there it is... that biden's chances are just that speaks volumes of where the US is today....

 

[SharkBait]

darn i will actually have to vote in PA then

 

[hokageji]

She's not popular among the further left of liberals, and it's tone-deaf to have chosen her... but they're still better than Trump, Pence, or their party, so whatever. I hope republicans choose an actual good candidate next time, I'd love to stop supporting Dems because Biden, Clinton, and Harris are just... horrible.

She is more moderate and that's her selling point... I actually disliked her when she first became the nominee because some of her progressive stands seem insincere and in some select cases makes her sound hypocritical or even fake... But they had to go with a colored candidate, and a woman and she fits the best in taking down the republicans...

I think if Trump loses, there will either be a big reform in the party, or libertarian party will becomae much stronger... I like the latter as a better outcome, its good to have a few more parties in stronger places cos this binary option is killing the democratic process.... Maybe green party gets the same on the left side too....

2020 Election Forecast

Latest forecast of the 2020 presidential election between President Donald Trump and Joe Biden by Nate Silver’s FiveThirtyEight

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And there it is... that biden's chances are just that speaks volumes of where the US is today....

Still statistically, but its way better than what we would've thought earlier this year.... But rest assured, Biden will be a one term president, so Harris is likely to run in 2024.... Democrats can only screw up from here, which is what Trump can hope on.

 

[kkck]

Still statistically, but its way better than what we would've thought earlier this year.... But rest assured, Biden will be a one term president, so Harris is likely to run in 2024.... Democrats can only screw up from here, which is what Trump can hope on.

Even without the pandemic I can't imagine biden not being favored to win. Trump has been historically unpopular from day one. I suppose trump has gotten slightly more unpopular over the pandemic but... it's still concerning that it is only by this much. The race as those numbers suggest will be close.... And screwing up is pretty much democrats modus operandi at this point. It's why a half senile gaffe machine is running...

Honestly, I don't even like how democrats handled the VP pick. From day one the rhetoric was about picking a women from a minority... But why frame this this way? Wouldn't it have been better to go with a more standard "We are looking at the best possible candidate" and then simply pick kamala? The look that they simply skipped over males to select kamala is just plain bad. representation is important and generally a good thing but the point should be that if someone in a minority is in a position its because said person was as good or better than none minority people. Now if kamala becomes VP it will have been due to a process where he didn't beat a single non minority male. Trump and republicans are unhinged lunatics but democrats are dumb...

 

[xi0]

But why frame this this way?

Because they think it plays better to their base. That's the only reason they do anything. What you mentioned about it purely being about merit probably would have played well in the past, but times have changed. They couldn't afford to trot out another Tim Kaine and hope for the best.

The issue for me is that Harris basically comes off as a charlatan and what she supposedly supports is the exact opposite of her actions. And unlike Biden, most of that is recent stuff. Liberals still have this fascination with appealing to the moderate and Never-Trumpers. The reality is the latter are going to vote third party at worst, taking votes away from Trump most likely, so there's no reason to even try to appease them.

 

[kkck]

Because they think it plays better to their base. That's the only reason they do anything. What you mentioned about it purely being about merit probably would have played well in the past, but times have changed. They couldn't afford to trot out another Tim Kaine and hope for the best.

The issue for me is that Harris basically comes off as a charlatan and what she supposedly supports is the exact opposite of her actions. And unlike Biden, most of that is recent stuff. Liberals still have this fascination with appealing to the moderate and Never-Trumpers. The reality is the latter are going to vote third party at worst, taking votes away from Trump most likely, so there's no reason to even try to appease them.

They definitely couldn't afford another tim kaine. But I find it amazing that their base, and kamala, would be ok with this rather than be straight up insulted by it. There are ultimately a ton of ways this could have been handled and they went with the one that made a public spectacle about out of only token brown females being considered.

That sounds about right for harris (pretty standard corporate hack) but selecting a token brown female to appeal to moderates and never trumpers is even dumber than the way they handled her being the VP pick. It's almost cute that they would think they'd support a brown person (let alone one from the other party). even their actual tim kaines are completely ineffective at that... That said, I am not sure I buy harris being an attempt to get moderate and never trumper votes. From their end of the political spectrum she probably still looks like a communist... It's biden's job to waste his time appealing to moderates and never trumpers. To me she looks more like a pick meant to appease progressives (which will fail because progressives actually care about policy and don't care about harris) and to appeal to the black vote that didn't turn up to vote for hillary. Which is why I think harris won't actually have much of an impact on the election in general, she serves to bring in votes which democrats probably already have or could win over more easily with actual policy.

 

[M3J]

She is more moderate and that's her selling point... I actually disliked her when she first became the nominee because some of her progressive stands seem insincere and in some select cases makes her sound hypocritical or even fake... But they had to go with a colored candidate, and a woman and she fits the best in taking down the republicans...

I think if Trump loses, there will either be a big reform in the party, or libertarian party will becomae much stronger... I like the latter as a better outcome, its good to have a few more parties in stronger places cos this binary option is killing the democratic process.... Maybe green party gets the same on the left side too....



Still statistically, but its way better than what we would've thought earlier this year.... But rest assured, Biden will be a one term president, so Harris is likely to run in 2024.... Democrats can only screw up from here, which is what Trump can hope on.

I think Biden chose her more because she's a woman of color more than because she's a moderate... but then again, he could have gone with Ilhan or AOC so you're probably right.

I don't think that'll happen. If Trump loses his supporters will just riot and cause a shitstorm, but there won't be much change, if any.

 

[Newkerzy]

I think Biden chose her more because she's a woman of color more than because she's a moderate... but then again, he could have gone with Ilhan or AOC so you're probably right.

I don't think that'll happen. If Trump loses his supporters will just riot and cause a shitstorm, but there won't be much change, if any.

Wait. Isn’t there an age minimum requirement for VP too? As far as I remember, AOC could clinch the Democratic ticket if she wasn’t hamstrung by the age requirement for presidency. I would assume this also applies to the VP position, right?

 

[M3J]

Google says 35, I didn't know it had an age limit. At least AOC can build up her resume.

 

[kkck]

lol, even if AOC was eligible I am sure the democrat establishment would rather have have trump as president than AOC as VP...

 

[xi0]

To me she looks more like a pick meant to appease progressives

Maybe they think that, assuming the average voter only sees her as not being white or a guy and assumes that automatically makes her appear like a progressive.

I mean sure, that's pretty much exactly what they did...

But my comment was more about in general. The fact that we have Biden at all in this position is because the DNC has a hard on for dipshit racist Karens from middle America whose navel-gazing is somehow treated as being as important as human rights.

 

[M3J]

lol, even if AOC was eligible I am sure the democrat establishment would rather have have trump as president than AOC as VP...

Definitely, but maybe Biden's desire to win is stronger than the Dems' hatred of socialism

 

[hokageji]

I think Biden chose her more because she's a woman of color more than because she's a moderate... but then again, he could have gone with Ilhan or AOC so you're probably right.

I don't think that'll happen. If Trump loses his supporters will just riot and cause a shitstorm, but there won't be much change, if any.

Yes, but there wouldn't have been any other option. After everything that's happened, having a person of color had become a priority... After seeing the shortlist, Harris was an obvious choice because of her moderate and some progressive values mixed with her experience as a prosecutor.

Ilhan and AOC were never in contention, nor do they have political experience.

Even without the pandemic I can't imagine biden not being favored to win. Trump has been historically unpopular from day one. I suppose trump has gotten slightly more unpopular over the pandemic but... it's still concerning that it is only by this much. The race as those numbers suggest will be close.... And screwing up is pretty much democrats modus operandi at this point. It's why a half senile gaffe machine is running...

Well, Democrats can easily screw up and the left inclined are people with diverse set of values and idealogies... One statement can sway them away, but Trump has screwed things so much in the pandemic so it definitely increases the possibility of Biden winning.... If not, he would still have a chance any statement equating to "full of deplorables" can upset a lot of people and move them away.....

Honestly, I don't even like how democrats handled the VP pick. From day one the rhetoric was about picking a women from a minority... But why frame this this way? Wouldn't it have been better to go with a more standard "We are looking at the best possible candidate" and then simply pick kamala? The look that they simply skipped over males to select kamala is just plain bad. representation is important and generally a good thing but the point should be that if someone in a minority is in a position its because said person was as good or better than none minority people. Now if kamala becomes VP it will have been due to a process where he didn't beat a single non minority male. Trump and republicans are unhinged lunatics but democrats are dumb...

I think Biden at an early stage had annouced that he would pick a female as a nominee... with BLM movement getting stronger, Warren and Kloubacher, who otherwise were more likely to be picked were out of contention and then the other names thrown weren't as well known.... I thought Susan Rice would have been great, even Sammy Duckworth.. and would have if this were a normal election. But they cannot rally at the same level, they would need familiarlity so Harris was the best choice.

 

[kkck]

Well, Democrats can easily screw up and the left inclined are people with diverse set of values and idealogies... One statement can sway them away, but Trump has screwed things so much in the pandemic so it definitely increases the possibility of Biden winning.... If not, he would still have a chance any statement equating to "full of deplorables" can upset a lot of people and move them away.....



I think Biden at an early stage had annouced that he would pick a female as a nominee... with BLM movement getting stronger, Warren and Kloubacher, who otherwise were more likely to be picked were out of contention and then the other names thrown weren't as well known.... I thought Susan Rice would have been great, even Sammy Duckworth.. and would have if this were a normal election. But they cannot rally at the same level, they would need familiarlity so Harris was the best choice.

As far as the deplorables bit goes... That didn't hurt hillary with her base. It hurt her with people that wouldn't have voted for her anyways. She should have doubled, tripled and quadruple down on that rather than apologize for something that is true which actually hurt her with her base.

Yeah, he did. But that is kinda the problem I have with this, I would argue handling it that way is just bad politics. Since realistically speaking not one male was considered against harris. To me there is a case to be made that it would have been better if there was at least the appearance that she beat white males because she was simply deemed to be better than them.

 

[hokageji]

As far as the deplorables bit goes... That didn't hurt hillary with her base. It hurt her with people that wouldn't have voted for her anyways. She should have doubled, tripled and quadruple down on that rather than apologize for something that is true which actually hurt her with her base.

i dont mean it literally, but Yea, but it didnt help her case... THe point is Biden is capable of gaffs like that and the media can paint a negative image... a lot of people dont think hes a good candidate anyways....

Yeah, he did. But that is kinda the problem I have with this, I would argue handling it that way is just bad politics. Since realistically speaking not one male was considered against harris. To me there is a case to be made that it would have been better if there was at least the appearance that she beat white males because she was simply deemed to be better than them.

Well, these are special circumstances... the pandemic had already hit around the time Biden was the offiical nominee and BLM followed shortly. So person of color had already become important. Add the disappointment thousands of woman felt when Kloubacher and Warren dropped from the race, and Warren even made comments on how woman will have to wait for the next female leader, it was about keeping the momentum on. Besides, i would argue that none of the major male candidates from colored background deserve to be considered, Pete Buttigeg would be the only one i can think of, but he is not colored and doesnt have the same level of experience.
Look at all the possible angles, Harris would make the most sense.

 

[kkck]

i dont mean it literally, but Yea, but it didnt help her case... THe point is Biden is capable of gaffs like that and the media can paint a negative image... a lot of people dont think hes a good candidate anyways....




Well, these are special circumstances... the pandemic had already hit around the time Biden was the offiical nominee and BLM followed shortly. So person of color had already become important. Add the disappointment thousands of woman felt when Kloubacher and Warren dropped from the race, and Warren even made comments on how woman will have to wait for the next female leader, it was about keeping the momentum on. Besides, i would argue that none of the major male candidates from colored background deserve to be considered, Pete Buttigeg would be the only one i can think of, but he is not colored and doesnt have the same level of experience.
Look at all the possible angles, Harris would make the most sense.

I still think the gaff in that case was that she backtracked on it. She was absolutely 100% right and she just allowed the media to steam roll her when she apologized... And sure, biden has been barfing gaffs for decades... and there is a very real chance of him going into overdrive now. I would agree with him not being a good candidate. Better than trump of course (though that applies to literally any non qanon politician or ted cruz) and better than hillary at least (a super low bar).

Well, sure, but none of those presumably lesser qualified people were considered. By all appearances there was never a discussion of her merits against that of other males, neither by people, by the media an more importantly by the democrat party.

Pete buttigieg? I would see him as a worst mistake than tim kayne tbh. Corporate hack and has a history of racism... He'd be so easy to rip apart. But still, there never was any discussion regarding how kamala holds up against her male peers. Democrats would have a stronger and more inclusive message if they could say "you know what, we considered her against a bunch of white males, against a bunch of colored males, against a bunch of white females and against a bunch of colored females and we ultimately decided that kamala was uniquely qualified among all of those to be the VP".

 

[hokageji]

ete buttigieg? I would see him as a worst mistake than tim kayne tbh. Corporate hack and has a history of racism... He'd be so easy to rip apart. But still, there never was any discussion regarding how kamala holds up against her male peers. Democrats would have a stronger and more inclusive message if they could say "you know what, we considered her against a bunch of white males, against a bunch of colored males, against a bunch of white females and against a bunch of colored females and we ultimately decided that kamala was uniquely qualified among all of those to be the VP".

Well i mean from those who were running on the presidential ticket.... And i dont think he's a bad mistake, but i am not aware for his history with racism.... He's a good candidate from what i know and fits the moderate policies better than most, but his youth plays against him...

On your quoted sentence, i completely agree with that... They could've presented it better, but honestly at this point, it would sound pretentious and fake.. its better this way..

still think the gaff in that case was that she backtracked on it. She was absolutely 100% right and she just allowed the media to steam roll her when she apologized... And sure, biden has been barfing gaffs for decades... and there is a very real chance of him going into overdrive now. I would agree with him not being a good candidate. Better than trump of course (though that applies to literally any non qanon politician or ted cruz) and better than hillary at least (a super low bar).

Well, sure, but none of those presumably lesser qualified people were considered. By all appearances there was never a discussion of her merits against that of other males, neither by people, by the media an more importantly by the democrat party.

She has issues, yes.... Like i said before, i think her approach to most progressive policies dont seem genuine... But no other candidate check marks as many columns / points as she does... even her experience with Biden's son could've played a pivotal role....

 

[M3J]

Yes, but there wouldn't have been any other option. After everything that's happened, having a person of color had become a priority... After seeing the shortlist, Harris was an obvious choice because of her moderate and some progressive values mixed with her experience as a prosecutor.

Ilhan and AOC were never in contention, nor do they have political experience.

Didn't Biden promise to choose a woman of color, though?

 

[kkck]

Well i mean from those who were running on the presidential ticket.... And i dont think he's a bad mistake, but i am not aware for his history with racism.... He's a good candidate from what i know and fits the moderate policies better than most, but his youth plays against him...

On your quoted sentence, i completely agree with that... They could've presented it better, but honestly at this point, it would sound pretentious and fake.. its better this way..

IIRC buttigieg had the blandest most substance free campaign of all candidates that gave the appearance of having a shot. Can't even remember him standing for anything tbh...

I mean, what they are doing looks fairly pretentious and fake too. Just with the added spice of bad politics.