American Politics

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Those are paid for and produced by the coal, oil. and natural gas industries....

 

[kkck]

Those are paid for and produced by the coal, oil. and natural gas industries....

Well, at least it is not made by those treehuggers and liberals that want to "change" america. "clean" energy is for hippies and europeans, america should stick to the manly energy sources.

 

[Franckie]

Obama administration has caused huge job lossess, look at the loss of coal industry jobs. Republicans will ensure we wont lose those valuable jobs and more. Obama and people subscribing to his indoctrination simply just care about people being in jobs even if the jobs pay is low or the job is pointless.

The report is a few years old, but the 2013 Appalachian Voices report, "Growth of U.S. Coal Jobs: Federal Data Showing Coal Mining Employment Trending Higher Since 2009," looks at Mining Safety and Health Administration data on coal mining jobs, which shows that the average number of coal-mining jobs under the Obama administration has been 15.3% higher than the average under George W. Bush. The report points to increased exports and decreasing productivity - requiring more workers to extract harder to reach coal - as reasons for the increase.

What jobs have been lost over the years can be attributed to two main factors: (1) Technology and (2) Fracking. Unfortunately, Obama Derangement Syndrome will still cause you to espouse "Obummer".

 

[SharkBait]

The report is a few years old, but the 2013 Appalachian Voices report, "Growth of U.S. Coal Jobs: Federal Data Showing Coal Mining Employment Trending Higher Since 2009," looks at Mining Safety and Health Administration data on coal mining jobs, which shows that the average number of coal-mining jobs under the Obama administration has been 15.3% higher than the average under George W. Bush. The report points to increased exports and decreasing productivity - requiring more workers to extract harder to reach coal - as reasons for the increase.

What jobs have been lost over the years can be attributed to two main factors: (1) Technology and (2) Fracking. Unfortunately, Obama Derangement Syndrome will still cause you to espouse "Obummer".

Your article is kind of old as just this year companies are cutting significant number of jobs like transporting coal.
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Norfolk Southern Corp. said it would cut 2,000 jobs and downsize its rail lines after reporting its profit dropped a worse-than-expected 29% in the final quarter of the year as the railway tries to fend off a takeover attempt and deals with weak demand for coal.

The job cuts are part of Norfolk Southern's cost-reduction plan, which it had previously announced but hadn't detailed. The company said Wednesday it would cut expenses by more than $650 million annually by 2020 on compensation and benefits cuts as well as savings on fuel, purchased services and rents."
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/norfolk-southern-to-cut-jobs-rail-lines-2016-01-27-104851040

 

[Dragoon]

Your article is kind of old as just this year companies are cutting significant number of jobs like transporting coal.
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Norfolk Southern Corp. said it would cut 2,000 jobs and downsize its rail lines after reporting its profit dropped a worse-than-expected 29% in the final quarter of the year as the railway tries to fend off a takeover attempt and deals with weak demand for coal.

The job cuts are part of Norfolk Southern's cost-reduction plan, which it had previously announced but hadn't detailed. The company said Wednesday it would cut expenses by more than $650 million annually by 2020 on compensation and benefits cuts as well as savings on fuel, purchased services and rents.
Norfolk Southern Corp. said it would cut 2,000 jobs and downsize its rail lines after reporting its profit dropped a worse-than-expected 29% in the final quarter of the year as the railway tries to fend off a takeover attempt and deals with weak demand for coal.

The job cuts are part of Norfolk Southern's cost-reduction plan, which it had previously announced but hadn't detailed. The company said Wednesday it would cut expenses by more than $650 million annually by 2020 on compensation and benefits cuts as well as savings on fuel, purchased services and rents.

The hell... are you even trying anymore? You copied and pasted the same response like 3 times....

 

[Riku]

Sorry guys, didn't intend to insult or blame anyone. It might be just I'm just not that used such heated discussions, and thus had that unwelcomming vibe. Could just as well be completle me.

 

[SharkBait]

The hell... are you even trying anymore? You copied and pasted the same response like 3 times....

Clearly its a simple typo...To claim the coal industry is not making job cuts under Obama's reign is simply not true.

 

[kkck]

Well, but blaming it on obama makes absolutely no sense at all.

 

[SharkBait]

Well, but blaming it on obama makes absolutely no sense at all.

How? If presidents are championing being a friend to the job industry and voted in power to solve the unemployment issue, then surely they deserve blame when jobs are lost.

 

[Franckie]

Your article is kind of old as just this year companies are cutting significant number of jobs like transporting coal.

Norfolk Southern Corp. said it would cut 2,000 jobs and downsize its rail lines after reporting its profit dropped a worse-than-expected 29% in the final quarter of the year as the railway tries to fend off a takeover attempt and deals with weak demand for coal.

The job cuts are part of Norfolk Southern's cost-reduction plan, which it had previously announced but hadn't detailed. The company said Wednesday it would cut expenses by more than $650 million annually by 2020 on compensation and benefits cuts as well as savings on fuel, purchased services and rents."
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/norfolk-southern-to-cut-jobs-rail-lines-2016-01-27-104851040

The job losses you speak of have been going on for the past 90+ years when the number of coal mining jobs peaked in 1920. The principle culprit behind the "War on Coal" is technology, with workers being the losers and management being the winners of the technological developments that have dramatically increased miner productivity.

I also took the liberty of bolding what has really whacked the coal industry for the past few years.

Spoiler

Coal is in direct competition with natural gas (and to a limited extent, oil) in certain market segments. We’ve seen a series of coal fired plants making the expensive but eventually profitable switch from coal to natural gas, reducing the market for the more traditional fuel. Other power plants which are unable to manage the switch have announced that they will simply close. That’s cutting down the market for coal and making life harder for the producers. Wind and solar are cutting into coal's turf too. In fact, the wind and solar industries employ more people than the coal industry now, especially since demand for these energy sources will grow as coal's eclipses. Unfortunately, that’s the free market for you, but it’s sad to see an industry which has provided so many jobs and so much energy for all these generations falling on hard times.

 

[kkck]

How? If presidents are championing being a friend to the job industry and voted in power to solve the unemployment issue, then surely they deserve blame when jobs are lost.

lol, a job industry? Are you are right, with obama unemployment is at it's HIGHEST EVER and it is he should have stopped other industries from replacing coal and invade china to destroy their infrastructure to force them to buy steel which would boost coal....

 

[SharkBait]

lol, a job industry? Are you are right, with obama unemployment is at it's HIGHEST EVER and it is he should have stopped other industries from replacing coal and invade china to destroy their infrastructure to force them to buy steel which would boost coal....

Wind and solar are cutting into coal's turf too. In fact, the wind and solar industries employ more people than the coal industry now, especially since demand for these energy sources will grow as coal's eclipses. Unfortunately, that’s the free market for you, but it’s sad to see an industry which has provided so many jobs and so much energy for all these generations falling on hard times.

Its things like this which is to blame, if green initiatives were delayed then the jobs wouldnt be lost as fast and people would be employed, if they had more time and more money in the coal industry then we could be paying for more coal plants to transition to natural gas and keep people employed.

 

[kkck]

Its things like this which is to blame, if green initiatives were delayed then the jobs wouldnt be lost as fast and people would be employed, if they had more time and more money in the coal industry then we could be paying for more coal plants to transition to natural gas and keep people employed.

Damn treehugger and free markets with all their new cleaner technology and job generation which undermined coal's competitive edge and newly generated jobs.... It's the blakberry all over again, if only someone had shot steve jobs we'd still have blackberry and all the jobs they created... Instead of the jobs created by apple and other phone companies.

 

[TotalEconomist]

Obama administration has caused huge job lossess, look at the loss of coal industry jobs. Republicans will ensure we wont lose those valuable jobs and more. Obama and people subscribing to his indoctrination simply just care about people being in jobs even if the jobs pay is low or the job is pointless.

Is it his fault? Or is the market for coal declining with the rise of the alternative energy sources? I'm more incline to believe the latter, as this is the natural cycle industry when a new technology/discovery pushes an older industry out.

 

[Dragoon]

Sharkbait just seems intent on blaming obama for everything. All this crap would still be happening with a Republican president

 

[GrySun]

Like most of his ideas, they are severely lacking in practicality. I don't see how someone can force companies to do that, when there's already laws that are being ignored that are supposed to prevent it. It runs directly in contrast to his platform regarding business as well. He's the ultimate, free-wheeling capitalist, no? So how is he going to reconcile trying to add more meaningless government restrictions to businesses and hope that accomplishes anything?

I don't get that logic either. A bad solution isn't only bad because it doesn't actually solve anything, it also almost always creates more problems.

Because the big companies bypass the law, and he runs a big company himself, thus he knows all the tricks they use, but also knows their common weak points and the best way to make them go into several terms of a negotiation. Not saying it's a great and believeable reason, but from what I know that's how Trump and his followers claim he can do it. The rest is simply "trusting" him on it.

That would depend on how bad the solution is and how big the problem it's supposed to solve is. But you could argue the same about ignoring that problem which would then grow and create additional problems. And as bad as the solution may seem at first it could still be decent. Turning a blind eye to it because of a lack of good solutions will make it impossible to ever do something about it. That's my logic behind that.

Yeah it's funny, but like any other meme, the it's not supposed to be taken seriously or mean anything. That was my point.

Nah, Putin has to love that shit. Especially when he's basically already "endorsed" him in the press. Massive troll that guy is.

Well it still ridicules Hillary to some extent. I mean, she actually barked like a dog during one of her rallies?

Not sure about Putin, I don't think he gave any opinion of that himself. Was talking about some other russian officials who aren't overly pleased, I think they got no sense of humor. I wonder how the Trump-Putin love would shape the relations between Russia and the US if Trump became president.

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Sharkbait just seems intent on blaming obama for everything. All this crap would still be happening with a Republican president

Well to be honest, aren't major politicians/presidents always blamed or praised for anything bad or good that happens during their reign, even if they had nothing to do with it? And it's hard to say how and in what way things would be different had Romney won in 2012. I don't like Romney much and I think things would mostly be the same but who knows.

 

[Dragoon]

@GrySun you're right about that but sharkbait should be smarter than that. Most people SHOULD be smarter than that. No doubt some presidents (democrat or republican) have messed things up but most people of either political alignment hate on the other party just because they are a different party instead of looking at the actual accomplishments of the president of said party. Sharkbait claims that a Republican leader would be best for america and yet it's only because he actually believes all the crap about obama and blames him for everything just because he is a democrat. I'm all for a Republican president as long as they look out for the country's well being. Same goes for Democrat president. Funnier yet. If I misunderstood sharkbaits gripe about obama it means the only other possibility he hates on him is because he doesn't do any actual research on what obama has done and just mindlessly listens to republican bashing of Obama and then says he's bad for the country. The people should look into the candidates carefully instead of being mindless drones and picking a president merely on the fact that a president is from a certain party and nothing more.

 

[TotalEconomist]

@GrySun That is usually the case because of the complexity of government. A lot of the economic problems arise from decades of policy that is out of date or bad.

Or in a lot of cases, markets collapse because of a calamity of human action.

 

[Hamy]

Its things like this which is to blame, if green initiatives were delayed then the jobs wouldnt be lost as fast and people would be employed, if they had more time and more money in the coal industry then we could be paying for more coal plants to transition to natural gas and keep people employed.

Are you seriously neglecting the fact that the US has been one of the biggest beneficiaries to the shift with green technology, as it reduces the operating costs overall -- and as noted above it has also been a new source of employment. Adding to that the green initiative or the drive to move away from traditional sources of energy is in part because of politics that were unfavorable to the US, and many parts of the world, as they were in large part a captive market Middle East -- the oil shocks in particular have been detrimental to many economies -- so that having alternative energy is a necessity.

And we're not going into the details as to the actual health issues that arise with coal powered plants, which are another benefit of green technology.

At the end of the day you're complaining about innovation that pushes for improvement.

Edit: Moreover...

http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/jolts.pdf

You attrition rate is actually positive, which is actually more statistically relevant since it says yes people lose jobs but there is a healthier rate at which they're able to find new jobs or employment opportunities.

Frankly, this just contradicts what you were pushing for earlier with regard to making intelligent choices for more economical and social gains.

 

[SharkBait]

Did M3J watch the evening news tonight, the news does focus on and show attacks in the homeland against muslim americans. (A woman was beat with a beer bottle at a chain restaurant for speaking her native tongue)