American Politics

[SharkBait]

I dont understand, isnt sanders an enemy of fossil fuels

 

[M3J]

Maybe it's because they see Bernie as a good person and a good president, social-wise, who cares about people, over Clinton who has consistently been suspicious and a weird/awkward candidate?

I mean, Bernie's popularity came from the kind of person he is, I don't get what's hard to understand about that. The main reasons Clinton has more support is because of her husband, media and DNC in her pockets, and "feminism."

 

[kkck]

Maybe it's because they see Bernie as a good person and a good president, social-wise, who cares about people, over Clinton who has consistently been suspicious and a weird/awkward candidate?

I mean, Bernie's popularity came from the kind of person he is, I don't get what's hard to understand about that. The main reasons Clinton has more support is because of her husband, media and DNC in her pockets, and "feminism."

Well, that basically amounts to hillary having support due to her couple very visible decades in politics. Which basically amounts to her supporters liking her for the "kind of person she is", same as with bernie. Bernie is by no means a bad candidate but even without the superdelegates hillary would have a rather healthy, though not decisive, advantage over him. You are making it sound as if supporting anything but bernie is akin to immoral or something which is frankly ridiculous. As things are the only way for bernie to win would be for the superdelegates to turn in his favor which would be basically the superdelegates deciding against whom voters went for even though sanders and hillary are at least in paper perfectly good democrat candidates. It's not like the trump situation whom for the most part is a guy who does not hold any republican values or ideals, if any at all...

 

[M3J]

I don't think they like her for the kind of person she is, but more because of her husband and being more familiar with her, especially thanks to the media. If Bernie had equal amount of media attention as Clinton does/did and more democrats supporting him, I'm sure the race would be far more even.

I'm not, I'm just stating the facts about why Bernie hasn't gotten as much support as he would have. Though, supporting Trump is immoral, given the kidn of person he is and what he stands for.

 

[SharkBait]

Because you don't care about anyone else's lives, which shows you're not pro-life at all. Do you have proof these refugees will endanger us? Be more dangerous than babies who are not wanted? Because as far as I recall, I've read more cases of neglected kids growing up to be bad people while refugee kids have contributed more to the US.

But it's common sense that in order for one to be pro-life, one must care about all lives, not selectively care about a group of life and then stop giving a shit after it's born. You're either pro-life or you're not, and you clearly are not pro-life. For someone who wants liberty and freedom, you sure are against it.

Your statement is confusing, you say unwanted neglected kids grow up to be bad people, but then in other discussion you call the people who really made it in life and are great financial leaders on Wall Street bad people, this ultimately implies that its not because people are not wanted that they are bad people but that they are bad people because they are bad. Being neglected or unwanted is not a factor that makes people bad. Thus I can not accept your statement that babies that are born will have a bad life.

Refugees though have been reported to be lying undercover in school systems lying while, research has that refugee are safety liabilities and burdens to the economy.

Further proof that America isn't as free as you make it out to be, and that liberty doesn't really exist as doctors can deny you health care just for being homosexual or county clerks can refuse to marry same sex couples, all just because of religious reasons that many themselves don't follow (Kim Davies apparently got divorced multiple times, which according to others is a no-no in the Bible).

The balance between practicing the religion which formed the basis of our country and having to do something against their will is something that is still needing to be addressed. We have to respect Ms Kim Davis for her reminder that people are free to practice religion and are not forced to do what others want them to do. People elected her after all which suggests she was approved by the public. If I were these people in the situation, again, we live in a mobile world, so I would go to another clerk.

I never understand why, in a country formed on religious freedom, nonreligious people get up in arms when people practice their religion. Religious practitioners continue to be the ones who are the most open to freedom and civil liberties.

No, if it's a high brain powered positions, then people should be high brain powered and not make mistakes, otherwise they're clearly not cut out for the jobs and should be fired. Mistakes shouldn't happen at all.

Because people in financial sector have cheated people and hurt our economy and people's faith tremendously. I don't understand why you support criminals so vehemently while talking shit about people whose mistakes doesn't hurt anyone, especially you. A simple mistake by a fast food server doesn't do anything to you but waste five extra minutes, but someone in financial sector deceiving people hurts a lot of people because they're stealing money and hurting their company's image, which can also hurt America's faith. The terms "high/low brain powered positions" are made up by people who want to feel better than others when in reality, anyone who brags about having high positions are bad people.

Without these people at a mom and pop shop or McDonald's, you wouldn't be able to get your food or items. If you don't think they're meaningful or important, then don't go to these places. You clearly think they're important or meaningful to the point that you spend money there.

I went to Hardee's today (home of the charbroiled thickburger) and the cashier couldnt read the receipt and gave a man two wrong sandwiches, he tried to correct them, then the lady got mad and had to be told to calm down by the other women. Meanwhile the man's order wasn't corrected so he threw his empty cup at them. Yet another example how lazy people with low brain powered jobs are unable to do simple tasks. How hard is it to read a receipt and give the correct order? Worst how can they ignore a customer? We don't make the distinction between high and low brain power jobs to make ourselves feel better, rather its just made to separate the good jobs from the bad jobs, why anyone would want to experience anger and fierceness in these low positions is beyond my understand, worst, for someone to argue that these jobs are necessary is bad. The day when it will all be operated by automatons is fast approaching.

Actually that would be a good day, then wage could be increased since the people would need to be mechanical engineering majors and advanced degree techniques to handle these automatons.

 

[Philia]

 

[Dragoon]

I never understand (it's understood btw or you could say "i'll never understand") why, in a country formed on religious freedom, nonreligious people get up in arms when people practice their religion. Religious practitioners continue to be the ones who are the most open to freedom and civil liberties. -Sharkbait

If it was up to the republican party, all immigrants would be gone and america would become a christian country with no tolerance for other religions where it was actually God who created computers, iPhones, vaccines (... no wait vaccines are bad now xD) cars and the earth is only 6000yrs old

 

[xi0]

I never understand why, in a country formed on religious freedom, nonreligious people get up in arms when people practice their religion. Religious practitioners continue to be the ones who are the most open to freedom and civil liberties.

The basis for that being what?

 

[SharkBait]

The basis for that being what?

The rev dr martin luther king jr and other civil rights activisits were christian practitioners.

 

[xi0]

The rev dr martin luther king jr and other civil rights activisits were christian practitioners.

Yeah but how does that justify saying that they're the most open to freedom and civil liberties?

 

[SharkBait]

Yeah but how does that justify saying that they're the most open to freedom and civil liberties?

What non religious American people have been that open to freedom and civil liberty?

 

[TotalEconomist]

What non religious American people have been that open to freedom and civil liberty?

Noam Chomsky, Ron Reagan, David Friedman, etc.

 

[xi0]

What non religious American people have been that open to freedom and civil liberty?

Most of the Founding Fathers?

 

[M3J]

Your statement is confusing, you say unwanted neglected kids grow up to be bad people, but then in other discussion you call the people who really made it in life and are great financial leaders on Wall Street bad people, this ultimately implies that its not because people are not wanted that they are bad people but that they are bad people because they are bad. Being neglected or unwanted is not a factor that makes people bad. Thus I can not accept your statement that babies that are born will have a bad life.

Refugees though have been reported to be lying undercover in school systems lying while, research has that refugee are safety liabilities and burdens to the economy.

It seems you are unable to read anything I say, or you are okay with Wall Street employees cheating and embezzling money. These "great financial leaders" on Wall Street are responsible for the bad economy/people's low faith because they cheated millions of people and embezzled money that left their victims completely broke. Not all leaders, but enough leaders have. Have you not heard of Bernie Madoff? Did you not read the problems Enron had before they closed?

I know you can't accept it, you haven't experienced or seen real life. That much is clear. Being neglected or unwanted is a factor that makes people bad, especially when they grow up angry or have no one to teach them the right ways or not. I also don't think I said that everyone who's neglected or unwanted is bad, or that only people who grew up not being wanted became bad.

You mean one refugee, who lied just to keep playing basketball. That's hardly dangerous. I also don't see how they're any more of burdens to the economy than our citizens that get welfare as well, That link seems to be conservative biased, but I could be wrong. Townhall definitely is conservative biased, and that's obvious based on the dumb things said in the article. Bringing in Syrian refugees isn't a mistake because there is no proof they're dangerous, none at all. Not only is the country's vetting process one of the best, but no terrorist would want to risk wasting years to get in with a high chance of being denied if the agents find anything about them suspicious. Neither of these links you posted are researches, one is a bullshit opinion posted by a conservative, and the other seems to be singling out a group of people even though there are far more citizen on welfare.

http://groundswell.org/7-lies-about-welfare-that-many-people-believe-are-fact/ though I'm not sure if this is biased or not

The balance between practicing the religion which formed the basis of our country and having to do something against their will is something that is still needing to be addressed. We have to respect Ms Kim Davis for her reminder that people are free to practice religion and are not forced to do what others want them to do. People elected her after all which suggests she was approved by the public. If I were these people in the situation, again, we live in a mobile world, so I would go to another clerk.

I never understand why, in a country formed on religious freedom, nonreligious people get up in arms when people practice their religion. Religious practitioners continue to be the ones who are the most open to freedom and civil liberties.

Why should they have to? She chose to work as a clerk and marry people, she has no right to refuse service unless it is dangerous or breaks the law. She deserves no respect, especially given she has broken a religious law herself - getting divorced. If she really is as religious as she claims, then she shouldn't have gotten a divorced. But it's clearly because of homophobia that she refused to marry the same sex couple. Anyone who defends her is a bad, hypocritical individual.

You seem not to know your history, or the facts. Religious practitioners are not open to freedom and civil liberties, they're more against it whereas more non-religious people are more open to freedom and civil liberties. I don't see how you can argue against this when we have plenty of proof. Wasn't one of the reasons why white men looked down upon blacks and Native Americans was because of the Bible saying or implying white people were superior? Aren't the religious Christians against Muslims, and weren't Christians against Jews? And what about Westboro Baptist spewing hatred against homosexuality and our armed troops and the likes? And I see no reason why religious people have to force everyone to pray in school when they can come in earlier and pray on their own time.

I went to Hardee's today (home of the charbroiled thickburger) and the cashier couldnt read the receipt and gave a man two wrong sandwiches, he tried to correct them, then the lady got mad and had to be told to calm down by the other women. Meanwhile the man's order wasn't corrected so he threw his empty cup at them. Yet another example how lazy people with low brain powered jobs are unable to do simple tasks. How hard is it to read a receipt and give the correct order? Worst how can they ignore a customer? We don't make the distinction between high and low brain power jobs to make ourselves feel better, rather its just made to separate the good jobs from the bad jobs, why anyone would want to experience anger and fierceness in these low positions is beyond my understand, worst, for someone to argue that these jobs are necessary is bad. The day when it will all be operated by automatons is fast approaching.

Actually that would be a good day, then wage could be increased since the people would need to be mechanical engineering majors and advanced degree techniques to handle these automatons.

You should film this or something, because I have a hard time believing anything you say. Weird how these things happen to you, but not to me. Also weird how despite "low brain powered" employees keep messing up, you keep using their services. Indicates they're doing something right, otherwise why would you keep going to fast foods and stores if you really face as many problems as you state?

No, we make the distinctions between high and low brain powered jobs to make ourselves feel better, and it's obvious with how people higher up talk down to people who work in fast food and act as if they know what it's like to work there. You're proving these jobs are necessary because despite your so-called bad experiences, you continue to use these services. Clearly they're important, otherwise these workers would be obsolete. If one uses the service of something constantly, like fast food employees, then the person has no right to call the person or job unnecessary or unimportant.

I doubt automatons would do a better job, at least when it comes to making food.

 

[GrySun]

Run Bernie Run

 

[SharkBait]

Most of the Founding Fathers?

Every politician knows the country was founded on Christian values, have you forgotten the city shining upon the hill? Even in 2016 the phrase is still used.

These "great financial leaders" on Wall Street are responsible for the bad economy/people's low faith because they cheated millions of people and embezzled money that left their victims completely broke.

They didn't cheat people. People made bad decisions to get into the situations that were beyond their means. Why should a bank or financial institute be blamed when the person has to, at the end of the day, acknowledge the deal and sign the piece of paper. Is it a companies fault that people are in debt? Last time I checked, Bank of America isnt there when I make a purchase forcing me to swipe my card when I want to buy a new game or tv.

I find it impressive that people are still being fascinated by such stories of people, how so many people were duped by so few people is vastly incredible.

Bringing in Syrian refugees isn't a mistake because there is no proof they're dangerous, none at all.

I imagine that there has to be proof. Why would politicians bring it up, if there was truly no concern? I believe in the every story has some element of truth ideal, so there has to be some truth in the refugees are dangerous ideology.

http://groundswell.org/7-lies-about-welfare-that-many-people-believe-are-fact/ though I'm not sure if this is biased or not

The link has issues, they claim "Yes, their kids can attend public schools for free, but undocumented immigrants are actually contributing more to the American economy than they take away—and they have no access to food stamps or other welfare programs, despite being one of the lowest-paid groups in the nation." but then provide no proof. How are immigrants contributing more to the economy than they take away?

Why should they have to? She chose to work as a clerk and marry people, she has no right to refuse service unless it is dangerous or breaks the law. She deserves no respect, especially given she has broken a religious law herself - getting divorced. If she really is as religious as she claims, then she shouldn't have gotten a divorced. But it's clearly because of homophobia that she refused to marry the same sex couple. Anyone who defends her is a bad, hypocritical individual.

Who enforces religious laws though? Who are we to say if she has broken a religious law? Last I checked, divorces arent forbidden in the Bible.

You go to extreme, our country enables people to express their religion, so saying that people are bad and hypocritical for being accepting of her ability to practice what she believes is terrible. On the day that she signed up to work as a clerk, there wasn't anything there that said she has to marry people of compositions that go against the beliefs that she holds. Therefore she wasn't bound to have to marry the people who wanted to be married by her.

And I see no reason why religious people have to force everyone to pray in school when they can come in earlier and pray on their own time.

Whats wrong with praying in schools, it ensures people start the day with the right frame of mind. No one complains that they pray before every Nascar race, or that there are chaplains and other religious figures in hospitals and aboard naval ships and submarines.

. Wasn't one of the reasons why white men looked down upon blacks and Native Americans was because of the Bible saying or implying white people were superior? Aren't the religious Christians against Muslims, and weren't Christians against Jews? And what about Westboro Baptist spewing hatred against homosexuality and our armed troops and the likes?

I dont think the Christian people had their mission as enslaving blacks and killing of Native Americans because the bible told them so, if they were why did plantations allow the slaves to hold church and religious sessions, or why would these people even embrace this new religion?

Unfortunately, I'm not well versed on the Christian vs Muslim thing of the past, however we dont see Christians of today being against Muslim people in America. I dont remember Christians being against Jews either, when it was the Jews that persecuted the first Christians beheading many of the original founders.

I dont think Westboro Baptist church, which has been denounced by many Christian organizations and churchs and people, fits into this discussion. Its also a hate group.

You should film this or something, because I have a hard time believing anything you say. Weird how these things happen to you, but not to me. Also weird how despite "low brain powered" employees keep messing up, you keep using their services. Indicates they're doing something right, otherwise why would you keep going to fast foods and stores if you really face as many problems as you state?

As an American it is my duty to support the local economy by going to these establishments and spending money that goes to pay for these lazy people to keep sucking dry the taxes I pay and live their life. I also like to support big chain businesses as they keep the country running so it is a duty to go to these places.

No, we make the distinctions between high and low brain powered jobs to make ourselves feel better, and it's obvious with how people higher up talk down to people who work in fast food and act as if they know what it's like to work there.

Do you really go to these places to make yourself feel better since you dont work in a low brain powered job? (Well I assume you dont work in a low brain powered job).

 

[M3J]

Run Bernie Run

Wait, Trump likes Bernie?

dafuq

 

[Dragoon]

@SharkBait please teach me, oh wise one
how do you do it? How can you play the role of troll so diligently? I'd have quit after like 8-10 posts. Tops 20~ish if topic and posters were gullible and fun enough to tease but you have gone beyond the call of duty... I name thee: Troll God

 

[xi0]

Every politician knows the country was founded on Christian values, have you forgotten the city shining upon the hill? Even in 2016 the phrase is still used.

The 13 original colonies were founded for financial as well as religious reasons, but not the country. John Winthrop wasn't an American, he was a Puritan colonialist. Look no further than Carolina, which was founded due to people rejecting the religious laws in Virginia.

No clue why you keep attributing importance to what quotes politicians choose to use and reuse (over and over) in speeches. Quoting the Bible, shoehorning "Under God" into the Pledge of Allegiance, and printing "In God we Trust" on currency has next to no bearing on the principles of democracy or what the framers of the constitution believed/intended.

--- Double Post Merged, May 17, 2016, Original Post Date: May 17, 2016 ---

Wait, Trump likes Bernie?

dafuq

No, it's an attempt to pander to Bernie supporters. If Bernie runs as a third party, Trump will win.

 

[kkck]

Sharkbait's commitment to this ridiculous and ignorant character is commendable. I am definitely nominating him for the most troll member for the next mangahelpers awards. Good job