American Politics

[ninjabot]

No one sees "white nationalist" and compares that to a group like BLM, so I don't even see the point of your comparison.

Maybe he could've said it in a nicer way, but it's important to be perfectly clear about what a person's motivations are despite their title, because a title can be a mask. White nationalists may not claim they're superior to non-whites, but they want to preserve the privilege that comes from being white by maintaining the majority, discouraging race mixing and preventing white neighborhoods from allowing non-whites to enter their community.

And how do they do this? The same way Nazi's do. Fear mongering, violence, and exploiting social standing in predominately white areas. So... yeah...

Side note!

Chris Evans‏ @ChrisEvans

MANY SIDES?!? Ive typed and deleted at least 8 tweets. Words simply arent strong enough to accurately describe how I feel about Donald Trump

Chris Evans is a national treasure. Captain America indeed. Calling out Trump for pulling the "both sides" argument when he was supposed to be comforting people about the protestor trying to kill a crowd with his car. He couldn't simply place the blame where it lied. He had to make damn sure that the left were seen as "just as bad."

Also, "many" sides as opposed to "both". UGH. Leader of the free world, ladies and gentlemen.

 

[xi0]

White nationalists may not claim they're superior to non-whites

White supremacists do. White supremacy is considered a subset of white nationalism, but not all white nationalists are white supremacists. Neo-Nazis and KKK members are white nationalists because they're white supremacists. I just don't see the term "white nationalism" as being sanitizing in any sense of the word.

And my point was a bit pedantic, but oh well. It's not about being "nicer" either, it's about being factually correct.

 

[M3J]

No one sees "white nationalist" and compares that to a group like BLM, so I don't even see the point of your comparison.

One can be a white nationalist and not be a neo-Nazi or a member of the KKK. Insisting everyone there be identified as such is pointless.

I've seen plenty of people compare the two, as well as compare the Charlottesville riot/protest to BLM protests. Many people think both are hate groups and violent, when BLM is the opposite of a hate group.

And yet, majority of them have done the Nazi salute and have espoused KKK/Nazi views. There's no reason not to call them what they are. And I'm one of the few non-right who'd have actually supported them protesting to keep the monument if it wasn't just a way for them to protest for white supremacy.

 

[Newkerzy]

Maybe he could've said it in a nicer way, but it's important to be perfectly clear about what a person's motivations are despite their title, because a title can be a mask. White nationalists may not claim they're superior to non-whites, but they want to preserve the privilege that comes from being white by maintaining the majority, discouraging race mixing and preventing white neighborhoods from allowing non-whites to enter their community.

And how do they do this? The same way Nazi's do. Fear mongering, violence, and exploiting social standing in predominately white areas. So... yeah...

Side note!



Chris Evans is a national treasure. Captain America indeed. Calling out Trump for pulling the "both sides" argument when he was supposed to be comforting people about the protestor trying to kill a crowd with his car. He couldn't simply place the blame where it lied. He had to make damn sure that the left were seen as "just as bad."

Also, "many" sides as opposed to "both". UGH. Leader of the free world, ladies and gentlemen.

Just asking, is Chris Evans American? If so, I think he has a better shot at being president than The Rock does. Just wear his Cap uniform at rallies and debates, get into character while making sure people can tell the difference between acting and genuine. And the coup de grace, punch his predecessor's lights out after the inaugration (or when he takes the stage) giving a nod to a very infamous cover.

 

[xi0]

And yet, majority of them have done the Nazi salute and have espoused KKK/Nazi views. There's no reason not to call them what they are. And I'm one of the few non-right who'd have actually supported them protesting to keep the monument if it wasn't just a way for them to protest for white supremacy.

See some photographs of them doing it, and then they all instantly become Nazis or KKK members. Seems legit. I cringe coming across like I'm defending people like this, but this is just lazy logic on your part, sorry.

That's the point though. You don't get to choose what a protest is for... that's the whole point of the first amendment.

 

[Reebi]

It's funny how these racist people (I refuse to call them nationalists) think they are better than everyone because they were "there first" and represent "America". Wrong, indigenous people were there first and America represents Americans, which is one of the most multi ethic countries.

And Americans wonder why a lot of countries hate them

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Side note.

People on this side of the border are protesting:
http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/protes...violence-at-white-supremacist-rally-1.3544474

 

[ninjabot]

No one sees "white nationalist" and compares that to a group like BLM,

Tomi Lahren and Bill O'Reilly both do. I think it's safe to say Sean Hannity does as well, but I'm not sure. So... they may only be 3 people, but they're 3 influential people that convince entire groups of people what to believe.

White supremacists do. White supremacy is considered a subset of white nationalism, but not all white nationalists are white supremacists.

Semantically speaking, sure. My point was that while they may not think they're superior to non-whites, they're perfectly fine with using Nazi/KKK style tactics to maintain the white majority and the white race's place in the social power structure (see: running over crowds of people that disagree with them using cars). Which is a form of superiority, considering you can do more things than us, influence our lives, and take from us what you will. Not to mention that they think they're deserving of this status despite how it was acquired. If that isn't an air of superiority...

Just asking, is Chris Evans American?

Yup!

If so, I think he has a better shot at being president than The Rock does. Just wear his Cap uniform at rallies and debates, get into character while making sure people can tell the difference between acting and genuine. And the coup de grace, punch his predecessor's lights out after the inaugration (or when he takes the stage) giving a nod to a very infamous cover.[/quote]

The Rock is American too, but his dad is black and his mom is Samoan so... he's too "other" to get that many votes unless he plays the Trump game and motivates a lot of shitstains behind him. Chris Evans is Aryan. Blonde hair, blue eyes, fair skin. The "real" American. Neither would make good presidents though because neither have worked in any form of political fashion. It'd be like having more likable versions of Trump, which I actually don't condone. Just because I like them doesn't mean they're right to lead a nation.

Though I'm sure you were just joking, lol.

 

[Newkerzy]

Tomi Lahren and Bill O'Reilly both do. I think it's safe to say Sean Hannity does as well, but I'm not sure. So... they may only be 3 people, but they're 3 influential people that convince entire groups of people what to believe.



Semantically speaking, sure. My point was that while they may not think they're superior to non-whites, they're perfectly fine with using Nazi/KKK style tactics to maintain the white majority and the white race's place in the social power structure (see: running over crowds of people that disagree with them using cars). Which is a form of superiority, considering you can do more things than us, influence our lives, and take from us what you will. Not to mention that they think they're deserving of this status despite how it was acquired. If that isn't an air of superiority...



Yup!

If so, I think he has a better shot at being president than The Rock does. Just wear his Cap uniform at rallies and debates, get into character while making sure people can tell the difference between acting and genuine. And the coup de grace, punch his predecessor's lights out after the inaugration (or when he takes the stage) giving a nod to a very infamous cover.

The Rock is American too, but his dad is black and his mom is Samoan so... he's too "other" to get that many votes unless he plays the Trump game and motivates a lot of shitstains behind him. Chris Evans is Aryan. Blonde hair, blue eyes, fair skin. The "real" American. Neither would make good presidents though because neither have worked in any form of political fashion. It'd be like having more likable versions of Trump, which I actually don't condone. Just because I like them doesn't mean they're right to lead a nation.

Though I'm sure you were just joking, lol.[/QUOTE]

Half-serious, actually. What I wouldn't give to see Chris Evans in his Cap uniform to punch the hell out of that orange cheeto while winning the elections by a landslide...... Or even better, an All Might cosplayer doing exactly that...

 

[ninjabot]

Ah. Well, that's certainly an opinion, lol.


Man. Love this show. To hear someone state your own opinions in a funnier, more comprehensive way than you yourself can state them? It feels like getting something off your chest every time you hear it.

 

[xi0]

Tomi Lahren and Bill O'Reilly both do. I think it's safe to say Sean Hannity does as well, but I'm not sure. So... they may only be 3 people, but they're 3 influential people that convince entire groups of people what to believe.

I'm not saying criticism of BLM is inherently wrong, but that's not the same as saying they're analogous to the KKK or Nazis. I don't think I would turn to any of those people for a thoughtful and/or concise opinion in regards to this either, but I digress.

 

[M3J]

See some photographs of them doing it, and then they all instantly become Nazis or KKK members. Seems legit. I cringe coming across like I'm defending people like this, but this is just lazy logic on your part, sorry.

That's the point though. You don't get to choose what a protest is for... that's the whole point of the first amendment.

If most of them do Nazi salutes and change Nazi and KKK values, then I don't see how they're not Nazis or KKK. They may not be members of the actual groups, but that's a moot point when they believe in the same things the two hate groups do.

I'm not choosing or anything. I'm just saying, I have no problem with them protesting to protect their monuments. It's just that it's fucked up how it went to a riot for white supremacy, and how many white people fear losing their dominance/power and are scared of going "extinct."

I'm not saying criticism of BLM is inherently wrong, but that's not the same as saying they're analogous to the KKK or Nazis. I don't think I would turn to any of those people for a thoughtful and/or concise opinion in regards to this either, but I digress.

Of course you wouldn't, you're not a right wing/conservative or care for Tomi, O'Reilly, or Hannity. But I'm sure a lot of Trump supporters turn to Hannity, and a lot of right wingers/conservatives turn to O'Reilly as well. Not sure where Tomi stands after outing herself as pro-choice, though.

 

[ninjabot]

I'm not saying criticism of BLM is inherently wrong, but that's not the same as saying they're analogous to the KKK or Nazis. I don't think I would turn to any of those people for a thoughtful and/or concise opinion in regards to this either, but I digress.

I know it isn't, but Tomi and Bill said that BLM is a terrorist organization. That'd make it analogous to the KKK or Nazis in their eyes, no? Unless they don't think either are terrorist organizations, though if they didn't they wouldn't use those comparisons to condemn BLM.

Was just saying though. Sorry to argue semantics but, you said "nobody"... can't get any less nobody than someone who's on god damn tv, lol. Or was for a while until recently.

On another note: Trump retweeted Jack Posobiec's "Why no outrage at deaths in Chicago" tweet. Had to hurry up and appease the white supremacists he halfway-pseudo-kinda denounced.

 

[Newkerzy]

@ninjabot Speaking of The Rock and Chris Evans, there's something else I wanted to add. It is very much true that neither of them have any political experience and that choosing either of them is just choosing a more likable version of Drumpf. But the one thing that I think differentiates them both from the orange cheeto, is that they are more likely willing to learn and listen to those who understands the political stuff better than they do, as opposed to listening their own ego.

 

[XXGenesis]

Listen America's infrastructure is fuxking Racist!!! Trump is a racist!! The ppl In his cabinet & other sectors of government, are Racist!!!!

If you think BLM group is terroristic your a completely moron, & probably racist. I don't agree with everything they do, but they aren't a hate group or a violent one. So what's the real beef?!

these White nationalist, Kkk Members & Neo-nazi's are the scum of the human race...Fuxkig thieves & murderer's. Now during other minority marches, Police brutality marches, a whole bunch of minorities are getting arrested & such......The fucking hate mongrels get to March, threateningly, beat mofo's up & maybe a few get held in custody for a few hours......

U.S.A doesn't surprise me much anymore. Just Waiting on the nxt Civil War that'll change all the Fuck shit that's wrong wit it now.

 

[xi0]

Just Waiting on the nxt Civil War that'll change all the Fuck shit that's wrong wit it now.

This is the same kind of nihilistic approach that helped get Trump elected in the first place. The system is wrong, so let's nuke it from orbit!!11!!!1

No, sorry. Civil War isn't going to be a solution here. We were lucky the country didn't fall apart back then as a result of it. In today's environment, I don't see such a thing happening.It'd be horrible for the international community as well. Not to mention that people on the fringes would love it if war broke out again over these kinds of issues.

 

[shionoro]

The militaristic approach both sides are taking is absolutely misguided.

Both the left that goes all 'violent protest was something even Martin Luther King would have liked!' and the anti SJW front need to get a hold of themselves and stop vilifying the enemy as monsters or, in this instances, terrorists.

Obviously people who commit terror should be called that. People who drive with a car into protestors are terrorists, that should be a given.

But not everyone with a southern flag is a terrorist nor is everyone who belongs to the black lives matter movement.
Nor is someone a terrorist just for being violent at a protest. Both sides did that on too many occasions, and mostly out of rage, resulting in fistfights.
That is not terror. It is a crime and it should be condemned.

But terror is something else, and people should not water that term down.

In this instance, terror from rightwingers happened. Whether you call them altright or nazis is completely irrelevant.
There was terror happening from a person who belonged to a demographic of the country that lives in a climate of hatred boiling up, induced by propaganda and fears, no matter whether those fears are misguided or not.

The most important thing is to get the propaganda out of the heads of such people, and for that, it is highly counterproductive to claim that everyone who leans far right belongs to jail.

The US could (not gonna happen with Trump, but maybe later) change its hatespeech and freespeech laws so they could disperse such protests.
I don't think most US citiziens would like it, but if such a thing happens more often, i guess it can be swallowed.

But most importantly, it has to be said over and over from people with influence on both sides that violent protest is a thing that should be condemned.
The left cannot play the game to say 'WE NEED TO RISE UP' and then try to render the alt rights who do exactly that as militant.
The same way, i hope that after this thing the voices about the evil left being militant while all trump followers are peaceful people will die down even on the far right.

 

[kkck]

So... alt left now... Trump is trying to do to his political opponents what he did to fake news....

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Just in case, is there anything to trump's comments that the protest at charlottesville or whatever wasn't all white nationalists? Most of what I have read on the subject suggests more or less that.

 

[**Silver**]

Listen America's infrastructure is fuxking Racist!!! Trump is a racist!! The ppl In his cabinet & other sectors of government, are Racist!!!!

If you think BLM group is terroristic your a completely moron, & probably racist. I don't agree with everything they do, but they aren't a hate group or a violent one. So what's the real beef?!

these White nationalist, Kkk Members & Neo-nazi's are the scum of the human race...Fuxkig thieves & murderer's. Now during other minority marches, Police brutality marches, a whole bunch of minorities are getting arrested & such......The fucking hate mongrels get to March, threateningly, beat mofo's up & maybe a few get held in custody for a few hours......

U.S.A doesn't surprise me much anymore. Just Waiting on the nxt Civil War that'll change all the Fuck shit that's wrong wit it now.

you know ( Racism.Hatred.Fear )is basic human instinct for all humans, there has always been war and Hatred between different cultures and believes and its not changing...

 

[ninjabot]

You know there's an ADL study reviewing 2007 to 2016 that found that 74% of extremist caused deaths in the US were by people on the far right, 24% by Islamist terrorists, and the remaining 2% by the left.

So Trump's right. There is violence on "all sides".

It's just one side has more of it.

So...

 

[XXGenesis]

That was my triggered response. I happen to love in NYC & I'm a Black male from where most black males live the hood...So my outlook and perspective of America as one of its minorities that has to live through its Shittyness is different from others. I could write for pages about America & it's politics etc etc.

The violence im promoting is simply Good vs Evil. Wrong vs Right. When Evil arises with violence, dissary, disunity, threatens the safety of civilians. It should be put down. Domestically. Foreign Policy is tricky but yea Relief & sanctions should be placed on F'dUp Nations to.

Any & all Hate groups should be on terror watch list. Etc

Like Salty mentioned these old,primal culture of fear & distrust of other Men & women from different backgrounds is disgusting to see in America still.

The current evilness in the establishment need to be drawn out. Because they aren't going to go willingly & obviously have supports from all walks of life...Militia's, Gun owners, Ex & current military. They need another L & a big fuckin one. Beause from no perspective do their hate filled speeches make fricking sense, & they are willingly to be violent & die or this cause....They gotta go I'm sorry.