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[Styx]

UPDATE:

The woman (Marilou Danley) has multiple ID cards, SSNs and married two men "simultaneously". She also had multiple addresses in various states, all with varying details on her person per identity and stay...according to which public record you looked through.

If anyone is going to give us insight into the gunman, it is probably going to be her. He knew her well enough to wire $100,000 to her family in the Philippines, so he must have said or done something around her that could lead to answers.

So more fuel for Alex Jones?

There are definitely some weird inconsistencies, but it's worth noting that this guy had a two room suite at the corner of the building and was firing out of windows at either end, facing different directions. Tough to know where this person is situated, as well as determining the fidelity of the audio being captured on their phone.

The weapon's rate of fire is the more weird thing. He did have more than a dozen different guns though. They had bump-fire stocks, which allow something similar-sounding to fully-automatic fire, but it's not necessarily as consistent as a a fully automatic firing mechanism.

Whenever these kinds of cover-up conspiracies pop up, it always seems weird that someone would try to perpetrate such a tthing in an area with thousands of witnesses.

I don't mean to post the video to suggest there is a cover up, well, at least not the typical kind (no one is mentioning potential politically driven motive, given his FB posts and rally attendances, which is very strange). I personally just think there was more than one shooter, given audio and video evidence we have, and we should find where that leads as it could probably lead us to a motive.

Though does it really matter if Alex Jones reports on it too given what we potentially have? Ignoring his governmental, globalist cover up theories and just focusing on the audio/video content, of course.

 

[Nemispelled]

Have you guys seen the nearly 20 minute long recording of a taxi driver of the shooting? I really think there were two shooters. If you listen to and watch the video, you can hear really far off gunshots and then closer gunshots while the driver is directly under and even around the hotel. There's one moment where you can hear two guns being fired off at once, too.

It's possible that there were two shooters, but based off of the footage alone, I'm going to still assume that Stephen Paddock was the only one.

I might've missed it in the video, but I didn't see 2 muzzle flashes at once from 2 different windows. Here is the general layout of his suite for reference:

Spoiler: Mandalay Bay Hotel: Room 135, Floor 32

From the graphic above, it seems that he shot through 2 windows - from different rooms - at some point during his attack. I do agree that it is highly unlikely that he could have shot out of both of them at the same time, which is why I brought up the question about simultaneous muzzle flashes.

He could've set up a rifle on a bipod/tripod near one of the windows and let it automatically fire (by making the trigger stuck in its firing position). He had a total of 23 guns in his possession, including the AR-15 and the AK-47 type rifle.

So it's quite possible that both of them were being fired at once, which explains the variation in gunfire noise.

From the sound alone, it'd be hard to tell how many shooters were there because the guy could have just been firing 2 guns at the same time. I don't know how much of an expert this guy is at shooting, so I do admit that nothing here is for certain.

Although, I guess this guy didn't really have to worry about accuracy since he randomly sprayed at a crowd of sitting ducks.



Another possible explanation for the different sounds of gunfire in the video is that the woman drove under a bridge/tunnel (@ 1:11-1:18), which might've altered the noise of the actual gunfire.

That's kind of a far-fetched explanation though, so there is a good chance that 2 different guns were fired simultaneously.

If the investigation goes anywhere, there could be other crucial details revealed, in which case, my thoughts on the matter might change.

 

[xi0]

I don't mean to post the video to suggest there is a cover up, well, at least not the typical kind (no one is mentioning potential politically driven motive, given his FB posts and rally attendances, which is very strange). I personally just think there was more than one shooter, given audio and video evidence we have, and we should find where that leads as it could probably lead us to a motive.

Though does it really matter if Alex Jones reports on it too given what we potentially have? Ignoring his governmental, globalist cover up theories and just focusing on the audio/video content, of course.

I wasn't trying to imply that you were pushing this narrative, only that the loudest voice in all of this right now is Jones. It isn't like I've dove into the story too much, but no, the mainstream media hasn't really mentioned anything about supposed antifa involvement, really only the ISIS claim and the information regarding his father being a bank robber. Perhaps they're reticent to go with information from places like 4chan or Reddit, because it appears like a lot of information that has come out in the aftermath of the incident has been fake.

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He could've set up a rifle on a bipod/tripod near one of the windows and let it automatically fire (by making the trigger stuck in its firing position).

At first it was reported that his guns had been illegally modified, but the prevailing thought right now is that he was using bump-fire stocks, and at least one of them was found in his room, which are completely legal. You can see at the beginning of this video how they work and how they can easily imitate an illegally-modified weapon in sound,


But there's no really permanent modification going on, only this stock using the gun's own recoil to activate the firing mechanism quicker and effortlessly. Because honestly, when hearing/seeing the first footage coming out from the incident, to my novice ears, that weapon didn't sound like an AR at all, but more like a light machine gun or something.

Another possible explanation for the different sounds of gunfire in the video is that the woman drove under a bridge/tunnel (@ 1:11-1:18), which might've altered the noise of the actual gunfire.

Good catch on the bridge part though, I didn't notice that at first. But I also maintain that this person's position played a part in how the audio was captured as well. The driver also starts recording right when the shots are echoing. Then the shots appear "louder", and then there is more distant shots again, but those seem like they could be echoes to me. It only appears like two different guns because the recording begins with you hearing echoes. Later on the taxi driver moves and the same "delay" of shots isn't heard.

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Also, regarding his motivation and the stories about it and what is and isn't being reported, make of this what you will -


Also, this one got a good chuckle

 

[Nemispelled]

At first it was reported that his guns had been illegally modified, but the prevailing thought right now is that he was using bump-fire stocks, and at least one of them was found in his room, which are completely legal. You can see at the beginning of this video how they work and how they can easily imitate an illegally-modified weapon in sound,


But there's no really permanent modification going on, only this stock using the gun's own recoil to activate the firing mechanism quicker and effortlessly. Because honestly, when hearing/seeing the first footage coming out from the incident, to my novice ears, that weapon didn't sound like an AR at all, but more like a light machine gun or something.

Yeah, I heard about that. I guess it makes a little more sense now that his rifle was converted to a "near-automatic" instead a "fully automatic" weapon. Even the sound of the gunfire wasn't as smooth and continuous as a real automatic firearm. It seemed more sporadic at certain points, which makes sense because it works like a rapid-firing semi-automatic.

And yeah, the bump fire stock is a pretty interesting modification. Considering its recoil mechanism, there's actually a good chance that the shooter was experienced with handling firearms... contrary to my initial assumption.

Even the trigger functions are backwards compared to a normal gun.

I'm surprised that it wasn't already banned. Technically, it doesn't meet the standard requirements of a "fully automatic" weapon, but the rate of fire is still more or less similar, which means it should be illegal.

Good catch on the bridge part though, I didn't notice that at first. But I also maintain that this person's position played a part in how the audio was captured as well. The driver also starts recording right when the shots are echoing. Then the shots appear "louder", and then there is more distant shots again, but those seem like they could be echoes to me. It only appears like two different guns because the recording begins with you hearing echoes. Later on the taxi driver moves and the same "delay" of shots isn't heard.

That's what I'm unsure of.

The distance between the taxi driver and shooter will definitely affect the echo and sound of the shots, but there was a distinct moment where the gunfire noises seemed to overlap in the video clip.

It could still just be the position of the driver, but there's also quite a good possibility that it was the result of different rifles being fired. The variation between the two gunfire sounds is distinguishable enough to consider that option.

And I think that forensic officials were even able to recover .223- and .308-caliber bullets from the streets/victims, so I guess that supports the suspicion of multiple weapons being involved.

Only time will tell, but it seems that investigators are struggling to gain some groundwork on the case. It's still a bit early though.

 

[xi0]

I'm surprised that it wasn't already banned. Technically, it doesn't meet the standard requirements of a "fully automatic" weapon, but the rate of fire is still more or less similar, which means it should be illegal.

Yeah, I don't see why such a thing exists. But when there are loopholes to laws to be found, manufacturers will find them, I guess.

The distance between the taxi driver and shooter will definitely affect the echo and sound of the shots, but there was a distinct moment where the gunfire noises seemed to overlap in the video clip.

It could still just be the position of the driver, but there's also quite a good possibility that it was the result of different rifles being fired. The variation between the two gunfire sounds is distinguishable enough to consider that option.

And I think that forensic officials were even able to recover .223- and .308-caliber bullets from the streets/victims, so I guess that supports the suspicion of multiple weapons being involved.

Only time will tell, but it seems that investigators are struggling to gain some groundwork on the case. It's still a bit early though.

I think the overlap is during one of the longer periods of continuous gunfire, so it's overlapping with it's own echo IMO. And it's worth noting that you only hear this kind of "anomaly" in the beginning of the video, not later on when the driver pulls in front of the hotel before ultimately fleeing the area.

I mean, I don't know, of course. Just trying to go through this and explain how I don't think it's that odd-sounding after further examination. From my experience in doing parades in marching bands, really loud things like percussion sound downright bizarre when being done in urban areas/areas with really tall buildings. The echo is crazy in certain spots. Not really definitive proof against conspiracy theories, but yeah.

Of course, he had 19 different weapons or something. There's also a photo circulating online of inside the suite after the SWAT breached it, and there appears to be multiple rifles with bipods and extended magazines stacked up like he was laying bricks.

 

[Styx]

@Nemispelled

Let me find the video again of the muzzleflashes. I'll provide a time stamp and a screenshot of what I see too.

He could have taped the trigger or something, but I think that's unlikely. His intent was to kill, and inaccurate fire doesn't seem like something he would do. And considering the rooms are not connected and he would have had to run out, down the hall and into the other room, it makes it even stranger.

I suppose if he was running to another room that could explain the pause between bursts, but I don't really think he would be running out into the hall to do something like that. Plus, it could explain why a woman came running out of the hotel to tell concert-goers they were all going to die soon. The woman could be a second gunman.

Also, now the sheriff/local police are starting to believe he had help, or was supposed to, because they found bomb making materials (unclear on this part but supposedly he meant to blow something up on the Nellis Air Force Base) in his car and home and suspect he was supposed to escape the room.

 

[kkck]

I haven't seen anything about him having an accomplice. Seems like this will be a source of conspiracy theories for years to come, at least given how things are developing so far. I mean, how does this even make sense as a false flag if even now a motive is unclear?

 

[Styx]

If only FB didn't remove the guy's FB page. It could have helped the police and FBI.

I haven't seen anything about him having an accomplice. Seems like this will be a source of conspiracy theories for years to come, at least given how things are developing so far. I mean, how does this even make sense as a false flag if even now a motive is unclear?

Well, no concrete evidence on it yet, just updating y'all that it is something sheriff Joseph Lombardo said/believes. He suspects there was an accomplice and that he had an escape plan, because of no suicide note, unlikeliness he moved the weapons himself, other attack places rented out etc. Here is one of the things the sheriff said about it:

“He had to have some help at some point,” the sheriff said. “Maybe he’s a superguy…maybe he’s a super yahoo, was working out all this on his own, but it would be hard for me to believe that.”

 

[M3J]

No one starts off as homocidal maniacs though. Most people aren't overtly like this unless they're from a place where these kinds of things are more accepted.

There's no way to know whether it's technically a terrorist attack because the motivations still aren't clear.

It doesn't mean they should be portrayed as saints. As I said, if the shooter was a black man with a mildly bad history but was known as a good person, the media would still use a bad picture of him and talk about his criminal past. Whereas, a horrible white man with a long list of criminal charges would likely be shown as someone who had a bad childhood, and a good picture of him would be used.

I know, but what irks me is that people are calling it an act of terrorism when there's nothing to go by yet. We don't know his motivation. I can see why though, given how anyone remotely brown is accused of being a terrorist while white people are usually called lone wolves.

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Also, Trump and the House approved of $10 billion being put towards building a wall. Just more proof they don't give shit about USA or its people. Of all the things to spend money on, this is what they chose. Idiots.

 

[xi0]

It doesn't mean they should be portrayed as saints. As I said, if the shooter was a black man with a mildly bad history but was known as a good person, the media would still use a bad picture of him and talk about his criminal past. Whereas, a horrible white man with a long list of criminal charges would likely be shown as someone who had a bad childhood, and a good picture of him would be used.

I know, but what irks me is that people are calling it an act of terrorism when there's nothing to go by yet. We don't know his motivation. I can see why though, given how anyone remotely brown is accused of being a terrorist while white people are usually called lone wolves.

Sorry, but who the hell is portraying any mass-murderer as "a saint"? Paddock had no criminal history of any kind, leaving most people dumbfounded over it. You've acted like there's some sort of white-washing going on in the immediate aftermath of the incident, meanwhile there was very little evidence to make any sort of assessment in this way. If you're going to act like any white american male is treated like a "saint" when they've kill/injured dozens or hundreds of people, because they're white, you're crazy. If we're going to play that card, just remember back to when Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was put on the cover of Rolling Stone like he was some sort of teen heartthrob.

This isn't to say that people of different ethnic backgrounds are all treated the same in the media, but those that commit these kinds of acts? Give me a break. And again, you repeat this lone-wolf/terrorist thing like race is the only reason perpetrators might be referred to with different terminology. If someone works alone, they're a lone-wolf, whether they have terrorist motivations or not.

 

[M3J]

Sorry, but who the hell is portraying any mass-murderer as "a saint"? Paddock had no criminal history of any kind, leaving most people dumbfounded over it. You've acted like there's some sort of white-washing going on in the immediate aftermath of the incident, meanwhile there was very little evidence to make any sort of assessment in this way. If you're going to act like any white american male is treated like a "saint" when they've kill/injured dozens or hundreds of people, because they're white, you're crazy. If we're going to play that card, just remember back to when Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was put on the cover of Rolling Stone like he was some sort of teen heartthrob.

This isn't to say that people of different ethnic backgrounds are all treated the same in the media, but those that commit these kinds of acts? Give me a break. And again, you repeat this lone-wolf/terrorist thing like race is the only reason perpetrators might be referred to with different terminology. If someone works alone, they're a lone-wolf, whether they have terrorist motivations or not.

It's happened many times before, from the media. It's not like I"m making it up just to hate on the whites, when I don't. Any other examples than that one?

So why is a Muslim automatically associated with ISIS, and people demand all Muslims to apologize for the action of one or two?

 

[YumaKuga]

Have you guys seen the nearly 20 minute long recording of a taxi driver of the shooting? I really think there were two shooters. If you listen to and watch the video, you can hear really far off gunshots and then closer gunshots while the driver is directly under and even around the hotel. There's one moment where you can hear two guns being fired off at once, too.

Im only coming in here for this, cause being a Trump supporter might get me burned at the stake for views outside this horrible topic.
Anyways an old high school buddy of my dads was at this concert when the dude shot from the window and even he said he heard more then one gun firing on the crowd. And I believe it had to be more then one guy doing it, even more so when he had a shitload of guns which makes no sense when he didn't use em. I swear theres more then one guy that did this shooting, but I'm not going to say I know for sure cause that would make me an idiot. Either way this dude was a shitbag for doing this. Still think its weird that hes loaded rich and he bought semi-automatics and not fully automatic. I know things about guns and it would make sense to just buy the fully automatic ones and not the semis when your that fucking rich. Either way this guys from the sounds of begin rich and everything else sounds like a complete prick before this too.

Also from what I've read they haven't even found a motive for why he would break a window and shoot a crowd. Also is it true that he had stuff for making bombs? I read shit like that and it makes no sense if he had that stuff to as well. Its really just fucked up.

 

[xi0]

It's happened many times before, from the media. It's not like I"m making it up just to hate on the whites, when I don't. Any other examples than that one?

So why is a Muslim automatically associated with ISIS, and people demand all Muslims to apologize for the action of one or two?

Where? What examples? Show me any violent criminal being treated like "a saint" in the media. Being biographical and talking about a criminal's personal life is not being treated like a saint, it's called journalism.

Show me a muslim who isn't motivated by religious extremism while committing mass murder. I don't even know what "some people demand all Muslims to apologize" even means. There is appropriate criticism of some who are seen as apologists. That's not the same as guilt-tripping an entire segment of people for the actions of the worst of humanity. Clearly no sane person endorses retaliatory attacks against random Muslims simply because islamist extremism exists.

And I believe it had to be more then one guy doing it, even more so when he had a shitload of guns which makes no sense when he didn't use em. I swear theres more then one guy that did this shooting, but I'm not going to say I know for sure cause that would make me an idiot.

It's still early, but there's really not much compelling evidence for there being more than one shooter. People saw all kinds of crazy shit during 9/11 as well, that didn't change the official account of what happened.

He did use multiple guns, as they found more than one caliber of bullet at the scene. I'm no expert but the likelihood of being about to use a single rifle to pump out thousands of rounds of ammunition over the span of an hour is pretty small. Guns heat up and malfunction. Did he need 20 guns to do it? Probably not, but not much about the entire thing is rational.

 

[kkck]

How would hearing many guns even work in this case? The guy wasn't using handguns or anything like that, as far as we have heard he used weapons which fired bullets rapidly. How would hearing one or two of those at a time be much different?

 

[YumaKuga]

How would hearing many guns even work in this case? The guy wasn't using handguns or anything like that, as far as we have heard he used weapons which fired bullets rapidly. How would hearing one or two of those at a time be much different?

From what I have read, and don't hold me to this, but they heard more then one semi automatic from a different angle One when he fired from his perch in the room and the other from somewhere else as far as I have read. Hearing more then one would be different and where they came from would be different because it would mean he had another guy in on the job or if they came from the same place, he was going Rambo with one in each hand (I highly doubt that anyways.) And my dads friend and his wife were staying in the Luxor next door and had to stay in for a full day because swat and military were still trying to make things "Secure" way after the fact. Either cameras fucked up, too much panic or what not could have created this mysterious second gun though for as far as we know until they finally state they know his motive and that he was acting fully alone, we won't know 100% for sure.

I know things about guns myself, so this still seems weird to me, but eh fuck it. Its already shitty with just one guy doing this.

 

[xi0]

From what I have read, and don't hold me to this, but they heard more then one semi automatic from a different angle One when he fired from his perch in the room and the other from somewhere else as far as I have read. Hearing more then one would be different and where they came from would be different because it would mean he had another guy in on the job or if they came from the same place, he was going Rambo with one in each hand (I highly doubt that anyways.) And my dads friend and his wife were staying in the Luxor next door and had to stay in for a full day because swat and military were still trying to make things "Secure" way after the fact. Either cameras fucked up, too much panic or what not could have created this mysterious second gun though for as far as we know until they finally state they know his motive and that he was acting fully alone, we won't know 100% for sure.

I know things about guns myself, so this still seems weird to me, but eh fuck it. Its already shitty with just one guy doing this.

He was firing from two different windows that were on different sides of the building. All the footage I've seen from the shooting that attempts to support more than one gun being fired at once has seemed to me to be nothing more than echoes. There also was some speculation about muzzle-flashes coming from a window on the third floor as well, but I've also seen those being explained as strobe lights.

I saw an interview with Steve Wynn regarding the incident, and he seemed to slip up and mention that no non-staffer would be allowed to use a service elevator in his buildings. It felt to me that he was sort of implying that he had information regarding Paddock's use of one at Mandalay Bay, which would make him getting as much gear into his room as he had easier.

 

[M3J]

Where? What examples? Show me any violent criminal being treated like "a saint" in the media. Being biographical and talking about a criminal's personal life is not being treated like a saint, it's called journalism.

Show me a muslim who isn't motivated by religious extremism while committing mass murder. I don't even know what "some people demand all Muslims to apologize" even means. There is appropriate criticism of some who are seen as apologists. That's not the same as guilt-tripping an entire segment of people for the actions of the worst of humanity. Clearly no sane person endorses retaliatory attacks against random Muslims simply because islamist extremism exists.

That's the problem, you don't know the issue, hence why you argue against this. There have been people who demanded all of Muslims apologize for actions of few extremists, but they say nothing when white extremists commit horrible crimes.


Further proof that Trump is an egotistical dumbass: he actually tweeted a video of him helping Puerto Rico. What'd the incompetent dipshit even do anyway, other than throw paper towels and attack the mayor? And then Pence left Colts vs. 49ers because the players knelt, but that was apparently preplanned, ironically, for political reasons. This administration is such a joke.

 

[xi0]

That's the problem, you don't know the issue, hence why you argue against this. There have been people who demanded all of Muslims apologize for actions of few extremists, but they say nothing when white extremists commit horrible crimes.

So since you refuse to talk in-depth about any of this, being dismissive is the answer? Don't see the point in you being condescending here.

Of course there are morons who do this, but that doesn't mean it's a prevailing thought. Are you only capable of paying attention to negative, irrational behavior?

 

[M3J]

Because I feel like talking in-depth about this won't help, and my inability to word things well will just make things worse. Plus, a lot of it boils down to understanding how people of color feel when they see the news cover white criminals favorably and even use good pictures while nonwhite criminals get their bad past brought up, and unflattering photos used.

When it's loud enough, yeah I am. Wanting all Muslims to apologize may not be a prevailing thought, but it is pretty loud. I've friends who think Muslims are dangerous and call BLM protesters violent or hate group or terrorists just for blocking the roads, but they stay silent on actual Nazis running over and killing someone or protesting for racism.

 

[Styx]

Have you guys been keeping up on the Las Vegas shooting? The timeline they had, based on the security guard, is breaking. The guard was shot about ten minutes before the concert shooting in the leg. Initially they said the gunman was intercepted by the security guard and that's why the actual shooting was stopped.