So... did trump threaten to remove federal aid from puerto rico? That seem like the sort of thing you don't even allude at joking about. Am I missing something here?
You mean his tweet about how we can't stand there forever? No, that was saying this has to be resolved now, because the people helping do have lives and families to return to and the longer we wait, the longer the people there suffer. If the mayor wasn't stocking up the food/supplies in warehouses (and as she admitted, not meeting with FEMA) and the infrastructure wasn't working so poorly, more aid getting there would actually be handed out (FEMA even admitted it (Brock Long) and then said it isn't their job to hand the supplies out (it is largely the mayors' responsibilities).So... did trump threaten to remove federal aid from puerto rico? That seem like the sort of thing you don't even allude at joking about. Am I missing something here?
Resolved now? How is that any different? There is no "solved now", the place was ravaged by a hurricane. And wouldn't that be different from how the other disasters were handled?You mean his tweet about how we can't stand there forever? No, that was saying this has to be resolved now, because the people helping do have lives and families to return to and the longer we wait, the longer the people there suffer. If the mayor wasn't stocking up the food/supplies in warehouses (and as she admitted, not meeting with FEMA) and the infrastructure wasn't working so poorly, more aid getting there would actually be handed out (FEMA even admitted it (Brock Long) and then said it isn't their job to hand the supplies out (it is largely the mayors' responsibilities).
I'm sure it'll be twisted that way by media, but that was not his intention.
The issue like aid not being properly distributed because of failing infrastructure and corrupt mayors or incompetent mayors. That needs to be resolved so that we can get them the help they need and go. No one is expecting it to go back like it was in a few weeks or something, that's not what I or Trump mean. It is that we're sending all this aid but most of it isn't getting out to the people who need it and it not only prolongs our stay there, but their suffering and the need to be there. Unless the whole world expects FEMA workers, military, and volunteers to stay there indefinitely?Resolved now? How is that any different? There is no "solved now", the place was ravaged by a hurricane. And wouldn't that be different from how the other disasters were handled?
I mean, yes, they're a US Territory. It should be handled the same way Katrina was for the Gulf States.Unless the whole world expects FEMA workers, military, and volunteers to stay there indefinitely?

Giving aid should be done until they no longer need it, sure, but that is different than thousands of FEMA workers, military and volunteers staying thousands of miles away or working tirelessly (still cut off), cut off from their own family and job and life, giving aid only for it to be handled by a complete moron, which delays them and worsens the life of Puerto Ricans. We wouldn't need that kind of occupation if we could sort out the kinks that are preventing proper aid from helping them instead of just putting a bandage over the issue.I mean, yes, they're a US Territory. It should be handled the same way Katrina was for the Gulf States.
Why? As far as I can tell the FEMA guys are federal employees doing the work they are supposed to be doing in US soil. Volunteers are different of course but that is a non issue. I can't fathom anyone saying anything like this to, say, the houston folk. And even if the PR government was being as incompetent as you suggest, why would that be a factor? The logic here can't be that the PR government is inept hence fuck the PR people. As for the aids... without that people would be essentially cut of from basic supplies. Even with the aid people are already screwed, the aid in question doing nothing as you suggest is absurd...Giving aid should be done until they no longer need it, sure, but that is different than thousands of FEMA workers, military and volunteers staying thousands of miles away or working tirelessly (still cut off), cut off from their own family and job and life, giving aid only for it to be handled by a complete moron, which delays them and worsens the life of Puerto Ricans. We wouldn't need that kind of occupation if we could sort out the kinks that are preventing proper aid from helping them instead of just putting a bandage over the issue.
We should focus mostly on infrastructure right now since giving aid (supplies) is basically doing nothing right now due its failure.
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I advocate pushing more work into PR right now to get things back to a running state, which so far it seems like Trump was doing despite Cruz' remarks, but our goal shouldn't be indefinite stay. It should be getting things on track so that we don't have to be there.
The goal should never be indefinite stay, even in Houston.Why? As far as I can tell the FEMA guys are federal employees doing the work they are supposed to be doing in US soil. Volunteers are different of course but that is a non issue. I can't fathom anyone saying anything like this to, say, the houston folk. And even if the PR government was being as incompetent as you suggest, why would that be a factor? The logic here can't be that the PR government is inept hence fuck the PR people. As for the aids... without that people would be essentially cut of from basic supplies.
That's not what I was trying to suggest at all. I was saying our aid is doing nothing (very little of it is actually going out to the people, feel free to google it) because the PR government isn't doing anything to help with infrastructure, which is how the aid gets distributed, not that aid itself does nothing and so we shouldn't give it.Even with the aid people are already screwed, the aid in question doing nothing as you suggest is absurd...
Puerto Rico is 75% white...If Puerto Rico was a white nation though, the Neo Nazi leader would be spending tons of money to help the country.

The major thing, as I understand it, was about the major asking the federal government and trump for help and then trump responded with the stuff we have seen. PR already had bad infraestructure, PR gave the US a debt problem, PRcans are lazy, PRricans don't want to do anything themselves. And by some huge coincidence whatever other stereotype which usually applies to minorities, if trump was smarter I would say it was straight up intentional... The paper towel thing was IMO exaggerated though. It's a bit cringy at worst but unless I missed anything it's not nearly as bad as it was made out to be. Trump speaking about the deal and saying the towels were beautiful was mind bending though. Who the hell talks about generic paper towels as being beautiful? Was trump throwing around the literal only paper towels in PR?Trump did not respond well at all. He not only delayed in helping Puerto Rico, but he also attacked the mayor (I think), threw paper towels, joked about how the aid would force them to reconfigure the budget or some shit, and is now saying the help won't last forever. If Puerto Rico was a white nation though, the Neo Nazi leader would be spending tons of money to help the country.
Republicans are so fucked up that they actually are okay with wasting $20 billion on a stupid wall. Like, if these guys really cared for USA or vets like they claim to, then they'd be using that money to help the people. Not build a wall that'll barely reduce illegal immigration.
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Yeah but, the're like white from spain, not like, real "white" people. Caucasians. Those are at best bleached mexicans who eat paellas instead of chimichangas. And tapas. Which you'd think is a positive thing but tapas as so damn small and pretentious it's actually a demerit. Which means they are not even better than mexicans regardless of the bleaching. Paellas - tapas = mexican somehow.Puerto Rico is 75% white...
And is calling Trump a "Neo Nazi" fair or appropriate? It's not like he has to be one to be rightfully criticized. Knock it off.
Do you have proof that Puerto Ricans are lazy? If anything they work the same amount of hours in the US.The major thing, as I understand it, was about the major asking the federal government and trump for help and then trump responded with the stuff we have seen. PR already had bad infraestructure, PR gave the US a debt problem, PRcans are lazy, PRricans don't want to do anything themselves. And by some huge coincidence whatever other stereotype which usually applies to minorities, if trump was smarter I would say it was straight up intentional... The paper towel thing was IMO exaggerated though. It's a bit cringy at worst but unless I missed anything it's not nearly as bad as it was made out to be. Trump speaking about the deal and saying the towels were beautiful was mind bending though. Who the hell talks about generic paper towels as being beautiful? Was trump throwing around the literal only paper towels in PR?
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Yeah but, the're like white from spain, not like, real "white" people. Caucasians. Those are at best bleached mexicans who eat paellas instead of chimichangas. And tapas. Which you'd think is a positive thing but tapas as so damn small and pretentious it's actually a demerit. Which means they are not even better than mexicans regardless of the bleaching. Paellas - tapas = mexican somehow.
That's quite offensive because half my family is from Southern Europe but they are not "white". Trust me, "white" is extremely exculsive which is bullshit.Who cares what counts as white? Look at my nationality. What counts is fire, the superior element, not stuff like melanin which any moron who can access wikipedia for 30 seconds can tell you is absolutely irrelevant to the human species. So tell me, is your family from the fire nation? Or are they from those airbending hippies (they just won't get jobs and instead "meditate" which is code for doing metric tons of opium), those waterbending terrorists (because FUCK water) or those dirt munchers who think their dirtbending is so great even though we have machines that can do the job of 10 dirtbenders at a fraction of the cost? Frankly, they are better off as muggles.Do you have proof that Puerto Ricans are lazy? If anything they work the same amount of hours in the US.
Are we really debating what counts as "white people"?That's quite offensive because half my family is from Southern Europe but they are not "white". Trust me, "white" is extremely exculsive which is bullshit.
How is that of any relevance? People are a group of individuals no matter where they come from. For an individualist society like the US, you'd think they would see individuals rather than judging people based on their skin. After all, skin is just a fraction of a person's biology and has nothing to do with personality.Who cares what counts as white? Look at my nationality. What counts is fire, the superior element, not stuff like melanin which any moron who can access wikipedia for 30 seconds can tell you is absolutely irrelevant to the human species. So tell me, is your family from the fire nation? Or are they from those airbending hippies (they just won't get jobs and instead "meditate" which is code for doing metric tons of opium), those waterbending terrorists (because FUCK water) or those dirt munchers who think their dirtbending is so great even though we have machines that can do the job of 10 dirtbenders at a fraction of the cost? Frankly, they are better off as muggles.
How is that of any relevance? Jeez, you sound like one of airbending hippies....How is that of any relevance? People are a group of individuals no matter where they come from. For an individualist society like the US, you'd think they would see individuals rather than judging people based on their skin. After all, skin is just a fraction of a person's biology and has nothing to do with personality.
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Are they from America though? Maybe someone should tell Trump that so he won't complain about helping PR or wanting to stop.Puerto Rico is 75% white...
And is calling Trump a "Neo Nazi" fair or appropriate? It's not like he has to be one to be rightfully criticized. Knock it off.
But Trump did shame PR for wanting help, and for that he's even a bigger piece of shit.The major thing, as I understand it, was about the major asking the federal government and trump for help and then trump responded with the stuff we have seen. PR already had bad infraestructure, PR gave the US a debt problem, PRcans are lazy, PRricans don't want to do anything themselves. And by some huge coincidence whatever other stereotype which usually applies to minorities, if trump was smarter I would say it was straight up intentional... The paper towel thing was IMO exaggerated though. It's a bit cringy at worst but unless I missed anything it's not nearly as bad as it was made out to be. Trump speaking about the deal and saying the towels were beautiful was mind bending though. Who the hell talks about generic paper towels as being beautiful? Was trump throwing around the literal only paper towels in PR?
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Yeah but, the're like white from spain, not like, real "white" people. Caucasians. Those are at best bleached mexicans who eat paellas instead of chimichangas. And tapas. Which you'd think is a positive thing but tapas as so damn small and pretentious it's actually a demerit. Which means they are not even better than mexicans regardless of the bleaching. Paellas - tapas = mexican somehow.
I think kkck is just quoting Trump, he doesn't think Puerto Ricans are that lazy. But then again, kkck has been quite dubious. But then again, Trump and his party will call anything and anyone that's not wealthy lazy, even though Trump barely worked for what he has and is a failure.Do you have proof that Puerto Ricans are lazy? If anything they work the same amount of hours in the US.
Are we really debating what counts as "white people"?That's quite offensive because half my family is from Southern Europe but they are not "white". Trust me, "white" is extremely exculsive which is bullshit.
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"Individualistic society like the US?" Is this serious? Because US is anything but individualistic. US calls all Muslims/brown people terrorists or are Islamophobic, even to the point of wanting all Muslims to apologize for actions of Islamists; black people are considered thugs and the media usually cover them unfavorably (exception being Trayvon Martin); most immigrants are called job thieves and illegal immigrants are called criminals or rapists; and we're basically seeing liberals vs. conservatives, where conservatives take potshots at liberals at almost all times.How is that of any relevance? People are a group of individuals no matter where they come from. For an individualist society like the US, you'd think they would see individuals rather than judging people based on their skin. After all, skin is just a fraction of a person's biology and has nothing to do with personality.
Is that the right wing media only or left wing media as well?How is that of any relevance? Jeez, you sound like one of airbending hippies....
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Ah, definitely. As I said earlier, it is probably not a coincidence that the stuff trump was critical of in regards to PR was so similar to standard minority's stereotypes.But Trump did shame PR for wanting help, and for that he's even a bigger piece of shit.
I think Trump is just a huge shit talker, and that makes him appealing to people of lesser minds. Why else does he talk the way he does, and about the things he does? Beautiful paper towel, yuge, etc?
Throwing paper towels make us look even dumber though.
Apparently it was "let's not read kkck's post and reply to them anyways" day.I think kkck is just quoting Trump, he doesn't think Puerto Ricans are that lazy. But then again, kkck has been quite dubious. But then again, Trump and his party will call anything and anyone that's not wealthy lazy, even though Trump barely worked for what he has and is a failure.
All of it. Of course the right wing media is thrilled about this which is perhaps worst but the media that is supposed to be critical of trump limited itself to saying "Trump says this, trump says that"... When it would have objectively true that trump shamelessly lied through his teeth. There is no evidence anywhere that iran is not complying with the deal... Unless he actually believes what he said but that would be far more terrifying.Is that the right wing media only or left wing media as well?
Puerto Rico is a US territory, has representation in Congress. I'm sure plenty have told him, not that it matters. Doesn't change the fact that you yourself didn't consider Puerto Ricans "white".Are they from America though? Maybe someone should tell Trump that so he won't complain about helping PR or wanting to stop.
Yes it is. At the very least, if he's not doing anything about it, he's just as guilty.
Eh, both sides of the media suck. The anti-Trump sources played a huge part in him becoming a president when they didn't cover Muslims doing good acts or white people doing bad things or whatnot.Ah, definitely. As I said earlier, it is probably not a coincidence that the stuff trump was critical of in regards to PR was so similar to standard minority's stereotypes.
Apparently it was "let's not read kkck's post and reply to them anyways" day.
All of it. Of course the right wing media is thrilled about this which is perhaps worst but the media that is supposed to be critical of trump limited itself to saying "Trump says this, trump says that"... When it would have objectively true that trump shamelessly lied through his teeth. There is no evidence anywhere that iran is not complying with the deal... Unless he actually believes what he said but that would be far more terrifying.
Yes, I was wrong. Nevertheless, does Trump even know or believe? Or do his supporters? What if he's being a douchebag because of his supporters believing in not helping Puerto Ricans?Puerto Rico is a US territory, has representation in Congress. I'm sure plenty have told him, not that it matters. Doesn't change the fact that you yourself didn't consider Puerto Ricans "white".
Not doing anything about what?