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To be honest, coming as a person who lives in Texas myself, it surprised me that so many people were angry that Beto lost in the sense that Texas is known as a Republican state for the most part. I'm not saying I don't like Beto- I was neutral about him and Cruz both, but people here were FURIOUS. I know Beto gathered a large following of college students, so that's probably why there was such strong emotions (younger generations acting out of social media and such) but there was just so much hate on the media after Cruz won that made me feel bad for those who did vote for Cruz (I'm not saying who I voted for) because there was intense hate toward people after the elections. But, I mean, I just don't get why people are so surprised Beto lost when Texas generally has a trend toward being a red state? idk
A lot of people were invested in that race on a national level, with some being confused that Beto wasn't on their ballot even though they weren't voting in Texas. :lmao
 

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A lot of people were invested in that race on a national level, with some being confused that Beto wasn't on their ballot even though they weren't voting in Texas. :lmao
Dang, that's so crazy for me to even think about! It is different because Beto was naturally on my ballot since he was in my state, but imagining other states looking at Beto too is odd
 

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Dang, that's so crazy for me to even think about! It is different because Beto was naturally on my ballot since he was in my state, but imagining other states looking at Beto too is odd
It's not really, a lot of people were eager to compare him to Obama back when he was a senator. And since his campaign was gaining traction in a "Ruby Red" state, people were hopeful that him winning would lead to Dems controlling the Senate as well as the House.
 

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It's not really, a lot of people were eager to compare him to Obama back when he was a senator. And since his campaign was gaining traction in a "Ruby Red" state, people were hopeful that him winning would lead to Dems controlling the Senate as well as the House.
A lot of people on my campus (I am currently a college student) keep making posts on social media saying "Beto for pres" and such. He did make a lasting impact on a lot of Southern Dems for sure, because this year there were so many young people that went to vote because of him. Which is def a good thing overall in my opinion, because I personally think of voting as a civic duty
 

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The thing I wonder about with Trump is that I personally see him as a very polarizing figure in the sense that many people seem to fully support him 100% or absolutely hate him and want him gone. I see very few people who are in the middle as far as agreeing/disagreeing with how he has handled situations. I feel like this polarization could lead to some issues for him in 2020, however that isn't to say that I think democrats are necessarily going to be that significant with Pelosi as speaker either. I do agree that the fact that the Reps were able to gain seats in the Senate (when that was the easier of the two Houses to lose seats on as the closeness of number of seats was closer to each other) seems significant to me even with the Dems gaining control over the House
What are these people in the middle you are talking about? We might have a different idea of what the middle is.

Republicans had a significant advantage in the senate race and they actually under performed by just winning a seat or two.

That's the fivethirtyeight senate forecast:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-midterm-election-forecast/senate/

and some commentary on the results:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...the-senate-but-they-did-better-than-it-seems/
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-did-the-house-get-bluer-and-the-senate-get-redder/
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/yes-it-was-a-blue-wave/

Surprisingly, even cnn's forecast was acceptable this time around..

The main issue here would be getting their bases to vote on 2020. I don't really pretend to understand trump's base at this point (I just gave up, they are nigh aliens to me because to me everything trump sounds like he is trying to scam us or sounds like an asinine conspiracy theory) but as far as democrats go Pelosi is a disaster. The 20% of the US population that is strictly democrat of course likes her, like they liked clinton, but for the rest of the democrat base Pelosi is a pariah that is willing to concede on important issues to trump and on top of that will then pass of those concessions as a victory. She is a democrat that will try to win over the over side... rather than appeal to their own base. Which is what hillary tried the last election and clearly didn't work.
 

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What are these people in the middle you are talking about? We might have a different idea of what the middle is.

Republicans had a significant advantage in the senate race and they actually under performed by just winning a seat or two.

That's the fivethirtyeight senate forecast:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2018-midterm-election-forecast/senate/

and some commentary on the results:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/feature...the-senate-but-they-did-better-than-it-seems/
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/why-did-the-house-get-bluer-and-the-senate-get-redder/
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/yes-it-was-a-blue-wave/

Surprisingly, even cnn's forecast was acceptable this time around..

The main issue here would be getting their bases to vote on 2020. I don't really pretend to understand trump's base at this point (I just gave up, they are nigh aliens to me because to me everything trump sounds like he is trying to scam us or sounds like an asinine conspiracy theory) but as far as democrats go Pelosi is a disaster. The 20% of the US population that is strictly democrat of course likes her, like they liked clinton, but for the rest of the democrat base Pelosi is a pariah that is willing to concede on important issues to trump and on top of that will then pass of those concessions as a victory. She is a democrat that will try to win over the over side... rather than appeal to their own base. Which is what hillary tried the last election and clearly didn't work.
What I meant by the middle is that, with my own experiences with my family and friends and those around me, I tend to see a lot of people who regard Trump highly (in the sense that they support all his decisions and his actions and want him for pres in 2020) and a lot of people who outright despise him and want him out of office ASAP. To those whom I have talked to about politics, I don't talk to many people who are in the middle in the sense that they are not for nor against Trump. I personally talk to a lot of people who are strictly "for Trump" and "anti Trump" rather than "I'm just neutral about Trump", which is why I see him and his actions as a president to be more polarizing.
To be honest, for the Senate and House races, I was expecting Rebs to do better overall for the House than they were for the Senate, and the opposite seemed to be true as they lost numerous house seats and gained a couple Senate seats, that's why I was mentioning the Senate races.
And to be honest, I don't know enough about Pelosi to comment about her own beliefs and experiences (I have been focusing much on Texas politics recently) so I don't think it is right for me to comment to you about her ideals and actions just because I'm not knowledgeable enough about it to make any sort of claim or argument for/against her. But, from the little information I know about her, I'm not sure if she is the proper Dem choice for House, but again, I don't really know a lot to comment on it
 

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To be honest, coming as a person who lives in Texas myself, it surprised me that so many people were angry that Beto lost in the sense that Texas is known as a Republican state for the most part. I'm not saying I don't like Beto- I was neutral about him and Cruz both, but people here were FURIOUS. I know Beto gathered a large following of college students, so that's probably why there was such strong emotions (younger generations acting out of social media and such) but there was just so much hate on the media after Cruz won that made me feel bad for those who did vote for Cruz (I'm not saying who I voted for) because there was intense hate toward people after the elections. But, I mean, I just don't get why people are so surprised Beto lost when Texas generally has a trend toward being a red state? idk
Kudos to your Gohan avatar, he's the sugoi.

That's likely because Beto said a lot of great things that the left and liberals wanted to hear, apart from his support of Israel. Too many people he represented hope and change, especially in Texas. On top of that, Cruz is seen as a horrible person, and his zodiac killer joke did not help with his image. The traction Beto gained, and how close the election was, were what generated such strong emotions among people.

If Cruz wasn't a piece of shit sleazebag that no one on either side should have voted for, or if Beto wasn't such a left-winger, then the reactions wouldn't have been so strong.
 

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Kudos to your Gohan avatar, he's the sugoi.

That's likely because Beto said a lot of great things that the left and liberals wanted to hear, apart from his support of Israel. Too many people he represented hope and change, especially in Texas. On top of that, Cruz is seen as a horrible person, and his zodiac killer joke did not help with his image. The traction Beto gained, and how close the election was, were what generated such strong emotions among people.

If Cruz wasn't a piece of shit sleazebag that no one on either side should have voted for, or if Beto wasn't such a left-winger, then the reactions wouldn't have been so strong.
Thanks about my avatar! Gohan is my favorite character in anything I have ever read/watched. He was my childhood crush for the longest time, lol

Yeah Beto def gained a lot of traction and a lot of followers after this election. I had issues with both Cruz and Beto, so for me it was easier to stay neutral as far as whoever won I wasn't going to comment much about it since neither hold much of my ideologies. It was for sure an interesting race between the two though
 

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HE's my favorite DBZ character, and people can tell you how often I grumbled about how badly he was treated after the timeskip.

Can I ask why you had an issue with Beto? I'm not sure where your political views lie. I'm an independent left winger who'd vote for my archenemy political group if it meant they'd do good things for citizens and help them.
 

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HE's my favorite DBZ character, and people can tell you how often I grumbled about how badly he was treated after the timeskip.

Can I ask why you had an issue with Beto? I'm not sure where your political views lie. I'm an independent left winger who'd vote for my archenemy political group if it meant they'd do good things for citizens and help them.
Yeah after the time skip he definitely got more lame, I was super number about that. He was so cool after the fight with cell, he should have stayed the main character.

I consider myself an independent as well. For most controversial topics, I am very much in the middle on and like to focus on compromise and I see things from numerous vantage points rather than one side, which is why I don’t consider myself conservative or liberal. However, there are a couple topics that I am really passionate about, and in this case Beto and Cruz both had some parts of their ideologies that went against my own. For example, I am a conservationist and I love the environment, so it really bothered me that Cruz isn’t focused as much on that. For Beto, I personally (I know this is a super controversial topic, but this is just my values so please don’t take offense if you disagree) but I really don’t agree with legalizing marijuana and I know he was very much for its legalization so for me that was one of the issues I had with him. It’s why I tend to be more independent and neutral during elections, because both sides have elements to them that I feel passionate about. There are a couple more controversial topics that I didn’t agree with on Beto, but I don’t want to offend anyone
 

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I dislike the middle ground/compromising, at least when it comes to bigotry and shit. The Dems should never have compromised to allow some money to go to Trump's fence/wall. Shit like that is what gives bigots and idiots validation and encourages them to continue their stupidity. One of the main problems is that media like New York Times give trash like Steve Bannon a platform to share their views, when they should be staying away.

Cruz is a conservative and a right wing. A lot of them don't give a shit about the environment or believe in climate change, especially when companies pay them to not care.

I don't see what's wrong with legalizing marijuana. I'm also for legalizing other drugs too, but only if there are safe spaces for the users, they're not stigmatized or judged harshly, and they can get help, otherwise no one benefits (though neither do drug peddlers so that's one good thing). Primary idea behind legalizing harder drugs is allowing users to be able to take them without hiding so that they're less likely to die.


One thing I didn't agree with Beto (or most other liberals/left wingers) is that he's pro-Israel. Should at the very least be against Israel and the shit they do. Also, don't be scared to offend people, especially if it's Trump supporters. They deserve it.
 

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Yeah it frustrates me that a lot of conservatives don't believe in how much of an affect on the environment we are making. I am studying Wildlife in college, and so I am around ecosystems and nature all the time for my classes and I research first hand how much of an impact we are making and how global warming has affected us over the years. I am by no means a zero waste person, but I do try my hardest to recycle when I can and to be conscious abut the products I am buying and to support companies that are environmentally safer. I have also significantly started eating less red meat and I try to reuse a lot of my products can have even encouraged my roommates to think environmentally as well.

For me, with the legalizing marijuana I just personally don't see a need for it to be legal for people to consume. I understand that there is benefits to it for certain individuals who find that it relaxes them and that they are able to function in better conditions, but I also believe that legalizing a drug for non-medical purposes that can create issues such as addiction isn't something that I want those around me to have easy access too. Again, this is all my personal opinion so please don't take offense to my values. This is also coming from my own beliefs that since substances such as alcohol and cigarettes have similar effects in the sense that they are both depressants, thus making those who suffer from disorders such as depression feel better yet they are not medically used instruments and have created issues with addiction, why allow another addictive substance into the market as well?

I wouldn't consider myself a Trump supporter nor someone who is anti-Trump. He annoys me, but I don't despise him. I think he more irritates me than anything
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Also, tbh I don't know much about the Beto/Israel situation to comment much about it, so to be honest I can't say much about that! :) I would like to think of myself as politically informed, but I know I am still behind on some of my information. A lot of what I look into right now has to do with environmental issues and as such political issues surrounding the environment as well as social issues, and I am behind on understanding world issues. I hate to admit it, but I def need to do some more research about international political issues
 

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I'm 95% sure the politicians would believe in global warming if businesses either stopped giving them money or gave them more money to believe in it.

Marijuana is not even that harmful, if it's even harmful. There's nothing wrong with legalizing marijuana, and it would be a blow to gangs/cartels that peddle weed as well. Your opinion is very odd because you're comparing a non-harmful drug to two harmful drugs, especially one that results in horrible consequences when consumed heavily. And as for alcohol becoming illegal despite its harm... that did happen. All it did was see the rise of gangsters and encourage people to drink secretly, IF the police ever decided to crack down.
 

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Cannabis is stigmatized because industries that have no stake in the production of it have literally paid unreal amounts of money to campaign against it's use in any fashion. And that includes it's use as a textile, which has nothing to do with any pharmaceutical use. That and very little money has gone into researching it's beneficial uses.

It's the same with renewable energy. Incredibly amounts of a money are spent by the fossil fuel industry in order to impede the growth of new energy research, because it's in their best interest. It's no different for Big Pharma, etc.
 

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I'm 95% sure the politicians would believe in global warming if businesses either stopped giving them money or gave them more money to believe in it.

Marijuana is not even that harmful, if it's even harmful. There's nothing wrong with legalizing marijuana, and it would be a blow to gangs/cartels that peddle weed as well. Your opinion is very odd because you're comparing a non-harmful drug to two harmful drugs, especially one that results in horrible consequences when consumed heavily. And as for alcohol becoming illegal despite its harm... that did happen. All it did was see the rise of gangsters and encourage people to drink secretly, IF the police ever decided to crack down.
To be honest, I disagree with you on marijuana being harmful. There have been studies shown that using marijuana before driving, for example, does impair someone's judgement and conscious abilities. And I don't want to ban alcohol, I agree that isn't a good idea, but I don't think a drug that causes addiction in society and that can lead to a lack of cognizant abilities is needed or needs to be legalized
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Cannabis is stigmatized because industries that have no stake in the production of it have literally paid unreal amounts of money to campaign against it's use in any fashion. And that includes it's use as a textile, which has nothing to do with any pharmaceutical use. That and very little money has gone into researching it's beneficial uses.

It's the same with renewable energy. Incredibly amounts of a money are spent by the fossil fuel industry in order to impede the growth of new energy research, because it's in their best interest. It's no different for Big Pharma, etc.
I didn't like marijuana use before it even became big in the industry buisness. To me it is like vaping- everyone would say how vaping didn't cause any issues but then there has been research done that does say putting foreign substances into your lungs does lead to an increase in the likelihood of diseases and cancers. I just don't think any sort of putting something foreign into someone, especially breathing it into someone's lungs, is healthy
 

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I didn't like marijuana use before it even became big in the industry buisness. To me it is like vaping- everyone would say how vaping didn't cause any issues but then there has been research done that does say putting foreign substances into your lungs does lead to an increase in the likelihood of diseases and cancers. I just don't think any sort of putting something foreign into someone, especially breathing it into someone's lungs, is healthy
Anti-Cannabis propaganda was propagated by the paper industry, as hemp was seen as a competitor. There's also the notion that cannabis started to be referred to as "marihuana" due to racist, anti-Mexican attitudes. Henry Anslinger is the main force behind outlawing it, and he was supported in doing this by William Randolph Hearst, the largest newspaper publisher at the time.

I'm not into weed, and I won't say it's necessarily healthy to put into your lungs either, but saying it's on the level of tobacco use or even vaping isn't supported IMO. There are rather clear beneficial medicinal uses for cannabis, many of which have nothing to do with smoking it. But those uses are mostly blocked due to it's association with drugs and Reefer Madness-esque propaganda. From it's use with the terminally ill, or CBD oil being used as a treatment for epilepsy and anxiety.
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To be honest, I disagree with you on marijuana being harmful. There have been studies shown that using marijuana before driving, for example, does impair someone's judgement and conscious abilities. And I don't want to ban alcohol, I agree that isn't a good idea, but I don't think a drug that causes addiction in society and that can lead to a lack of cognizant abilities is needed or needs to be legalized
Marijuana isn't chemically addictive though. It's not on the level of cocaine, opioids, or even alcohol. Sure people can have problems with it, but does that mean research into the benefits should be ignored and not funded?
 

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Are y’all watching the Bush 41 funeral right now? It’s so sad...
 

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It's sort of jarring to see people blatantly reveling in his death, as if it rights any wrongs his policies may have caused. Even the dipshit that's currently in office had the decency to keep his mouth shut and sit in a pew to pay respects, and he's no fan of the Bush family. He even shook both of the Obama's hands, which I was sort of shocked by, given what Michelle has said recently.
 

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I wouldn't have expected them not to shake trumps hhand tbh. I mean, they were literally right next to him while the entirety of the world was watching.
 
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